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"text": "This episode of the Tony Robbins podcast is brought to you by Tony Robbins Unleash the Power Within."
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"text": "Whatever area in your life you want to change, your health, your relationship, your career, or your business, Unleash the Power Within will awaken your spirit and pave the way for breakthroughs to make that all happen."
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"text": "Join Tony Robbins Live from the comfort of your own home as Unleash the Power Within is currently 100% virtual."
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"text": "Learn more at upwvirtual.com slash pod."
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"text": "That s upwvirtual.com forward slash pod."
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"text": "Hey, everybody, it s Tony Robbins, Tony Robbins Podcast."
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"text": "I m real excited to be with you today because, you know, I ve had the privilege of working with some of the greatest athletes in history, and I ve been to some of the most amazing fights, both boxing and UFC."
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"text": "This last January, I got to work with Conor McGregor, which was a great privilege, and watch him win the fight in the first 40 seconds, and all the electricity of that, but also the beauty of sportsmanship, of watching Conor go over there and hug his opponent, you know, afterwards, and sincere, and acknowledge his grandmother, who was cowboy, his opponent s greatest influence."
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"text": "So sports can bring out the best in us or the worst in us."
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"text": "It depends on our character."
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"text": "And I ve worked with a lot of amazing athletes over the time, and during their tough times and during some of their best times."
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"text": "But when people see boxing or UFC, I think a lot of times they think it s just ruffians, people who s beaten up on each other, and they don t understand the discipline involved in boxing or martial arts."
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"text": "Boxing is often called the sweet sport."
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"text": "It s a combination of skill sets and intellect."
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"text": "It isn t just physical force."
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"text": "in history are the ones that can combine their psychology, their spirit, their soul, and that physical body to produce extraordinary results."
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"text": "And I think we all need to be able to face our fears and move forward."
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"text": "So I thought in the middle of this kind of COVID environment, it might be nice to visit, you know, ringside with a legend."
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"text": "And I m here with an unbelievable legend, the only man to be a four times world boxing champion, Evander Holyfield."
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"text": "Thank you, brother, for taking the time to visit with us."
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"text": "Thank you."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "Now, we were talking just before we started about interviews."
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"text": "I said, how many interviews you ve done over your life?"
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"text": "Would you share what you share with me?"
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"text": "I was like, here s this incredibly powerful man."
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"text": "And what was it like in the beginning?"
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"text": "Well, it was the most scary thing."
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"text": "It was harder than the fight, you know, just to."
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"text": "Guessing what this person may ask me and I answered properly Yes, and how and how did you learn to deal with that over the years you built obviously to now it doesn t bother you But what did it take to get there because I heard it really was tough on you in the beginning."
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"text": "Well, you know, it s just thing"
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"text": "Knowing that if you make a mistake, you know that you made one."
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"text": "People make mistakes, but repetition is what make people better."
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"text": "Yeah, well that s true in fighting or in life."
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"text": "So listen, tell us a little bit about your childhood, a little bit, if we could start there, because you started fighting when you were like seven years old, if I understand correctly, is that right?"
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"text": "Or eight, when you were in the box?"
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"text": "I started at eight years old."
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"text": "What happened, I was coming from the football field."
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"text": "And I seen a guy hitting his speed bat."
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"text": "So I want to go in and ask him."
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"text": "I said, sir, can I hit the speed bat?"
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"text": "And the man looked at me and said, no."
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"text": "I said, why?"
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"text": "He said, because you have to be on the boxing team."
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"text": "I said, well, sir, I want to be on the boxing team."
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"text": "He said, no."
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"text": "So the next day, I asked him."
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"text": "He said, no."
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"text": "And then the next day, he said, no."
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"text": "On the fourth day, I looked at him."
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"text": "He looked at me."
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"text": "turn my head and start walking the other way, he turned his back and I ran up there."
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"text": "And I asked him again."
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"text": "And he said, yeah."
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"text": "I come in there."
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"text": "Tell us a little about who influenced your life the most, not only in boxing, but in life."
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"text": "My mom."
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"text": "My mom was, my mom actually my everything, you know, that got me started."
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"text": "And if it wasn t for my mother, you know,"
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"text": "And I d tell him where I would have been."
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"text": "I was so touched."
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"text": "At eight years old, is that when the guy said you think he could be world champion?"
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"text": "Yes."
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"text": "And you were at the boys club?"
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"text": "Yep."
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"text": "Tell us that story."
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"text": "And then tell us what you said to the man when he said you could be world champion."
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"text": "Well, the man told me I could be the heavyweight champion of the world."
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"text": "And he said, uh... At eight years old?"
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"text": "Yeah, eight years old."
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"text": "He said, what you think?"
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"text": "I said, I got to ask my mama."
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"text": "And he look, and he s all, you don t want to be there with your, I said, but I got to ask my mama."
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"text": "He said, what are you talking about?"
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"text": "I said, if I don t ask my mama, I can t even try."
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"text": "My mama said, no, that s it."
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"text": "That s right."
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"text": "And that s when the man looked at me and said, you got a good mom."
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"text": "And so you did ask your mom."
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"text": "Did you ask her that night?"
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"text": "I sure did."
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"text": "And what d you say?"
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"text": "I asked my mom, and this is how it was."
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"text": "We had the little house, and everybody in the front room looking at TV."
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"text": "So when I come in,"
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"text": "They looked at me and they said, where you going?"
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"text": "I said, I gotta ask mama."
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"text": "They said, what you gonna ask mama?"
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"text": "So they trying to find out if I m in trouble or not, because if I m in trouble, they know they may get a little piece of that."
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"text": "And I guess."
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"text": "They re older, they should be looking out for you, right?"
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"text": "Yeah."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_02",
"text": "So I go in there and I start trying to tell my mama what this man was trying to tell me."
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"text": "And so my mama kind of talked real loud."
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"text": "She said, what you say?"
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"text": "I said, mama, this white man at the boys level said I can be the heavyweight champion of the world."
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"text": "And my mama looked, she looked at me, and when she get that look, I got to step back, or she may swing."
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"text": "So she- Did you become a great boxer?"
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"text": "Yeah, I m telling you, I got to get them hands up there quick."
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"text": "Always go for the head, she never go to the butt."
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"text": "Always shoot the head."
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"text": "And so what happened, my mama said, do you know what they re going to do to you?"
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"text": "So I just act like I didn t."
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"text": "I said, no man, they re going to hit you."
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"text": "And I looked at her and I started laughing because all my brothers and sisters hit me, I get three whippings a day."
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"text": "And now I m a cousin getting hit."
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"text": "So getting hit ain t nothing new."
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"text": "So my mom said, well, you can t hit them back."
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"text": "And she said, yeah, you can do it."
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"text": "And I remember going in the bathroom, looking in the mirror and saying, Evander Holyfield, heavyweight champion of the world."
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"text": "So when I went back and told my coach, my mama said I could be the heavyweight champion, he said, what, what?"
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"text": "You know coach, here I am, I m 65 pounds."
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"text": "I m telling my coach, my mama said I could be the heavyweight champion of the world."
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"text": "But what was the advice she gave you?"
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"text": "She gave you three pieces of advice that you ve repeated your whole life."
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"text": "Listen, follow direction, don t quit."
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"text": "How important has that been in your life?"
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"text": "That still goes on today."
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"text": "Yeah."
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"text": "Because things still get tough."
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"text": "Of course."
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"text": "And you have to not quit."
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"text": "Now, you re 58 years old, and one of the reasons I m here is I know you re in the best shape of your life."
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"text": "You look like you re 25."
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"text": "And you want to fight with Mike Tyson again."
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"text": "You had pretty legendary fights in those 90s that you guys had."
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"text": "The history you guys have is amazing."
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"text": "And what I love about both of you is you re both such incredibly intense competitors, and you tease and taunt each other, but you really do have a friendship as well."
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"text": "Tell me what you respect about Mike Tyson."
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"text": "You know, these guys here is a lot bigger, but Mike Arnold was shorter than everybody s."
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"text": "Yeah, and he still destroyed them all."
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"text": "He hit the birds and all this, and I seen him fighting guys, 6 5 , 6 6 , and you know, he get in the peek-a-boo style, and get in there, and he was like a rattlesnake, man."
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"text": "He get them so fast and all that."
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"text": "All of a sudden, I realized, I said, if he can do it, I can do it."
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"text": "So he actually was a role model for you at one stage?"
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"text": "Well, yeah, because the thing is- You re older than him, right?"
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"text": "No, yeah, I m four years older than him, but he got in there, I m telling you, he got the first opportunity."
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"text": "He beat these guys, and I said, you know, if Mike can do it, I can do it."
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"text": "I said, now, I became the Cruiserweight champion."
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"text": "When I became the Cruiserweight champion, I thought that was great."
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"text": "when I beat the white Miami Coyote on my 12th professional fight."
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"text": "Went 15 rounds, lost 15 pounds, and all this."
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"text": "And all of a sudden, after I came the undisputed cruiserweight champion, then the thing was is that, phew, Mike get $2 million a fight."
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"text": "I get $200,000 a fight."
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"text": "So I go ask the Showtime people, what s the difference?"
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"text": "They said, well, Mike the heavyweight champion of the world."
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"text": "I say shi-"
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"text": "I said, how much you give me as I move up the headway?"
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"text": "They said, you know, Mike gonna kill you, man."
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"text": "I said, no, no."
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"text": "I said, we sparred before."
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"text": "Like that."
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"text": "And all of a sudden, when that time came, the whole big thing was, all right, you beat all these guys."
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"text": "So the avenue we took, it was to fight all the people that Mike fought."
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"text": "And I saw it."
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"text": "getting them guys and your confidence built even more than know what my confidence built but"
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"text": "the decision that I ve made, I can stay comfortable and just be the cruiserweight champion and make the 200,000, or I can be heavyweight champion of the world and make some millions."
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"text": "You want to fight Mike today, why?"
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"text": "Mike Tyson, why do you want to go back and have that fight?"
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"text": "Well, the thing is, it s competition."
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"text": "The thing in competition, my whole thing is that, now, I only want to do it if he want to do it."
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"text": "If he wants to do it, yeah."
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"text": "Because the fact of the matter is that, you know,"
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"text": "It would be fun because both people know how good we are."
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"text": "Yes."
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"text": "The whole world knows how good both of you are."
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"text": "And then people want to know, OK, then, even at this old age, who would get the best?"
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"text": "Yeah."
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"text": "And so the point of the matter, you know what?"
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"text": "I don t think that Tyson and I can get in the ring and not think about who the best."
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"text": "Or even martial arts, you know, because I work a lot of warriors, I call them, right?"
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"text": "And thank you for the little lesson here."
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"text": "After Tony individually interviewed the four business leaders solving major global issues, he did a roundtable discussion to really dig into the opportunity that he and they all see in these massive markets like energy, agriculture, and space."
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"text": "What s fascinating to us in this episode is how you ll hear these entrepreneurs not just talk about their solutions and their companies, but how what they re really doing is opening up these markets by proving the opportunity in them and encouraging other startups to join them in the race."
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"text": "They welcome competition because in the end, it benefits everyone and improves the quality of life across generations and continents."
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"text": "So listen carefully because if you re an entrepreneur looking for a wide open space to put your talents and energy into, you just might find one today."
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"text": "Here s Tony."
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"text": "Welcome everybody to the Tony Robbins podcast."
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"text": "Tell me about Upward Farms."
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"text": "How can Upward Farms improve billions of lives?"
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"text": "Tell us what that vision is."
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"text": "What we talk about at Upward Farms is how we re accelerating the world s transition to regenerative agriculture."
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"text": "And so it s a great opportunity to build a brand, very clear market opportunity and leafy greens in the US are $11 billion."
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"text": "So what our long-term vision is and the way that we change billions of lives is by actually starting to rebuild soil."
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"text": "and sustainability and the cost, all that comes from this fundamental technology of how plants, animals, and microbes have co-evolved in nature, tapping into all of the genetics that are already in there that can drive incredible traits, whether that s a more delicious product or disease resistance or higher yields."
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"text": "But then we think about, how do we get this back to the broad acre?"
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"text": "You see that across information technology, Rob."
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"text": "Thank you, Jason."
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"text": "I ve heard you describe it as like last mile in the space delivery, space charter service, space shuttle service."
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"text": "It s three times cheaper, it s faster as I understand it, it s lower cost, it s sustainable, it s safe."
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"text": "And Dakin for your incredible pioneering efforts to pull together such great entrepreneurs."
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"text": "Yeah, that one my dad gave me."
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"text": "You keep iterating, iterating, iterating."
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"text": "That s what we tried to do with this idea, and it really worked."
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"text": "Well, Billy, you ve already got seven companies."
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"text": "Dakin Sloss, brother, how are you?"
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"text": "Tell us a little bit about, you know, you have a unique history."
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"text": "You started out moving in one direction of life."
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"text": "And now you re, you re seeming to collect some of the smartest people in the business."
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"text": "I know your fund is, you know, performing at a level."
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"text": "I got a call from Paul Tudor Jones or an email from him the other day, and he was saying, copied the email, someone else telling him about"
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"text": "that he has money in your fund, but saying we should do some more with this fund."
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"text": "And he called me and said, tell me more about this guy."
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"text": "Is this really real?"
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"text": "And in the letter it talked about you might have some of the highest returns since 2018 for VC funds, or at least in the top grouping."
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"text": "Tell us a little bit about your journey and tell us what you re really driven by and what are some of these companies that you ve been pulled to that are really changing the planet or have a chance to change the quality of life on earth?"
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"text": "Thank you for having me on, Tony."
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"text": "To start, my journey is I was a physicist and mathematician studying at Stanford, and I thought I was going to go work on academic pursuits."
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"text": "The way to do that is to build companies like Mikhail and Bill and Jason are doing."
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"text": "I previously built two tech companies."
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"text": "My experience was, I was actually sitting in the hot tub with Gabby and talking about how broken VC is."
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"text": "And Prime Movers Lab is the product that fixes it, because we re actually actively engaged in supporting our founders, and at the same time,"
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"text": "We ve taken a lot of lessons from you, Tony, and that they ve applied that help them accelerate, but we ve got to figure out how to apply it because these are such brand new contexts."
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"text": "So, you know, tell me what kinds of returns have you seen by finding these early stage companies"
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"text": "And what all these entrepreneurs have said, maybe I ll even put a link for those interested to know more about what you do, because I know I encourage you to make a video with all these founders telling about what you ve done."
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"text": "And it s mind boggling how you brought the key resources they ve needed, not just the capital, but the resources, the people, the elements to really grow their businesses."
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"text": "Yeah, we are fortunate that our first fund is on track to be one of the best performing funds of 2018, if not the best performing fund of 2018, it s too early to tell."
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"text": "Obviously, we re excited to make money, but most of the money we make goes to the same types of causes that you re contributing to and supporting."
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"text": "And so what I love is this combination of being driven by impact, but with the hard science to show that you can scale something and then figuring out, as Bill does and all three have been doing, how do I make sure that you don t have to care about impact to use this technology?"
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"text": "where everybody else is going this way, how can I go a little bit this way where they re not going yet?"
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"text": "And you ve done that over and over and over again through many industries."
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"text": "When we come back and we re talking just with you, by the way, I want to prepare you."
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"text": "I want you to share the story of Google and AdWorks, because people have no clue that you re the one that really got that ball started."
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"text": "It s an interesting story."
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"text": "So I m going to call on you for that later."
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"text": "Just plant the seed in your head, if I may, Bill."
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"text": "Mikhail, let me ask you, let me pop over there, because you come from a different culture initially in Russia and so forth."
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"text": "Thank you for that."
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"text": "I think one of the proudest moments I ve ever actually had as a business owner is when people on my team, like my assistant, has come to me and said, hey, like you re doing something that s not consistent with our culture."
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"text": "So that it really is- I ve got enough humility to actually hear it and not be pissed when someone tells that to you."
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"text": "And the reason so many people suffer financially is not because the opportunity isn t there and it s not because they don t have enough money."
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"text": "So I want to thank you, Bill Gross, the most successful entrepreneur in growing companies from nothing to over a billion."
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"text": "Jason, for what you re doing to help us and make Brooklyn a farming environment, but any place be a farming environment with both, as you said, not only cheaper costs and better nutrients, but delicious."
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"text": "It s been a pleasure to spend time with all of you again."
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"text": "I love you, I respect you, and for all of you at home, thank you for joining us again for the Tony Robbins Podcast."
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"text": "Till we see you soon, live strong, live with passion, and God bless."
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"text": "We really pray that you come and join us then, okay?"
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"text": "Have a beautiful holiday and we ll see you soon."
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"text": "Merry Christmas, happy Hanukkah, happy Kwanzaa."
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"text": "Whatever your belief structures are, we hope you celebrate with your family and take this special time of the year in and you find and share the blessings of life no matter what has been happening."
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"text": "The Tony Robbins Podcast is directed by Tony Robbins and produced by the Tony Robbins team."
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"text": "Welcome to the Tony Robbins podcast."
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"text": "As many of you might know, Tony has made it one of his life s missions to help feed as many people as possible."
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"text": "His own family struggled to put food on the table growing up, and it was one stranger s kindness that inspired Tony to give back as an adult."
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"text": "As a philanthropist, through his partnership with Feeding America, Tony has provided over 500 million meals in the last five years to those in need, and he s on track to provide one billion meals over the next five years."
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"text": "Tony s latest mission is to solve world hunger and the antiquated unsustainable food practices that currently plague our environment."
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"text": "By 2050, Earth s population will have reached 9.7 billion people."
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"text": "The demand for high-protein products is increasing, while the impact from current meat production practices is devastating our planet."
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"text": "Listen as Tony speaks to XPRIZE founder, executive chairman, and his dear friend, Peter Diamandis, about the groundbreaking XPRIZE competition."
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"text": "Hello, everyone, and welcome to another radically optimistic episode of XPRIZE Future Positive Podcast."
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"text": "Through his partnership with Feeding America, Tony has provided over 500 million meals in the last five years to those in need."
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"text": "Tony, welcome, buddy."
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"text": "And I m excited to be a part of this journey with you, Peter, and with the XPRIZE and with all the people that we re looking forward to welcoming and going on the journey with over the next three and a half, four years."
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"text": "And let s get together on a next podcast, maybe, you know, six months and see how many teams have registered and give an update."
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"text": "Learn about the prize."
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"text": "Tell your friends, your scientists, your crazy friends, let s get some people fed on this planet."
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"text": "This podcast comes from XPRIZE, a global future positive movement of over 1 million people and rising, delivering radical breakthroughs for the benefit of humanity."
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"text": "Welcome back to the Tony Robbins Podcast."
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"text": "We want to thank you for tuning in to listen to these fireside chats from Tony and his wife, Sage, as they share their own stories about this year that has brought so many challenges for everyone."
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"text": "We hope you find them to be helpful."
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"text": "If you listened to the first episode, you heard how they encouraged us to find the blessing, to see the beauty in each moment, and to be the creator of your own emotional experiences."
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"text": "What you re about to hear now is the second part of this three-part series, where they explain the next step, how to be a blessing."
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"text": "you ll learn how to make one small, simple shift in how you approach the holidays that will allow you to enjoy yourself so much more, and also open your heart and anchor your state of being in love and kindness so that you can be a blessing to those you love most."
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"text": "To watch the video version of this episode, go to TonyRobbins.com slash holiday."
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"text": "And we hope you tune in in a few weeks for the next fireside chat from Tony and Sage."
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"text": "Hello everyone, it s Sage Robbins back for fireside chat number two."
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"text": "We loved hearing from you."
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"text": "Thank you for just your outpouring of love and it was just beautiful to hear from you."
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"text": "And it s Tony here, and I m wondering if you did your homework."
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"text": "If you haven t seen the first one, I hope you do."
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"text": "And our theme today is, since the holidays are literally around the corner, we just want to see what would happen if this was the greatest holiday of your life in spite of COVID, in spite of politics, in spite of, you know, maybe the limitations and all the questions that you normally deal with"
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"text": "Hello, Tony Robbins family."
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"text": "We are so excited that you were able to join us for Fireside Chat number two with Tony and Sage Robbins."
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"text": "Did you enjoy that?"
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"text": "So the major lesson that we got today is that we can actually become the architect of our holiday experience and create the experience that we desire."
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"text": "So this holiday season, get yourself a coach, find your massive action plan, commit to yourself to being the blessing."
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"text": "The greatest coaches in the world that I know, and maybe I m biased, but there are coaches at the Tony Robbins Company, and if you haven t taken a look at our bundles for the holiday and all of the great bonuses that are included,"
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"text": "And so I hope you get yourself matched with one of our coaches to your specific needs."
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"text": "And you can go to tonyr.co forward slash coaching to learn more about coaching, how it will support you to have a powerful end of your 2020 and a really powerful start to 2021."
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"text": "Welcome to the Tony Robbins Podcast."
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"text": "This episode is part of a special series of fireside chats that Tony and Sage Robbins created just for the holiday season to share key messages of support during this unique time."
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"text": "To watch the video of this episode, go to TonyRobbins.com slash holiday and check back there and here on the podcast for future episodes coming soon."
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"text": "Hello there, everyone."
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"text": "It s Sage and Tony."
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"text": "Nice to see you all."
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"text": "Listen, we want to be a blessing to you in this season during a time of such uncertainty."
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"text": "And we just thought we d share from our experience what s been happening and find out if there s some ways in which you can take this time that we have here, this COVID time, this time of uncertainty and fear and a lot of frustration and anger, and see if we can t convert it into something that s helpful for you."
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"text": "Yes, definitely."
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"text": "that we put them down in the past, maybe they re gonna come back and abuse us and mistreat us or whatever."
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"text": "There s some anger that has to be worked through and anger is justified given our situation."
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"text": "But the irony is, the skillset and the mindset of the 21st century,"
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"text": "Our white sisters and brothers all too often have been taught the mindset of competition, domination, victory, achievement, accomplishment."
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"text": "That s a different mindset."
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"text": "The precursor to being a good anti-racist, you have to have empathy."
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"text": "The skill set that most of our white sisters and brothers have been taught is present, speak, talk, debate, argue, not listen."
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"text": "And so there s a 21st century mindset of empathy and skillset of listening that if we are successful at conferring that, you re gonna be the best husband ever."
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"text": "White people are trapped."
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"text": "You have to just be unconscious."
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"text": "And so there s a freedom for everybody that we re aiming for."
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"text": "And, you know, that to me is something that is ironic."
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"text": "They think that they re fighting to keep us from being free at their expense, but our unfreedom comes at their expense."
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"text": "None of us are free in this system."
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"text": "And so I just appreciate the opportunity to be a part of the conversation."
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"text": "I think if everybody s willing to do their homework, Google is a powerful tool."
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"text": "Find your own books, read them, do documentaries."
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"text": "Come tell me what you think about James Baldwin, you know."
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"text": "Octavia Butler and all our great thought leaders and Toni Morrison and then we can have a we have to have equality of discomfort We have to have equality of discomfort if I m gonna be uncomfortable every day in a white environment in this conversation You have to be willing to be a little bit uncomfortable too and an equality of effort."
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"text": "I ve been trying my whole life And if we can have that kind of equality, I think we ll get somewhere"
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"text": "First of all, thank you."
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"text": "Bishop Jake s shared the concept."
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"text": "Also, you said the beginning of remarks about the idea of just being believed I don t you know that what we re going through is real instead of, you know, you re just angry, you know, you have no reason to be or"
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"text": "And so their mindset is, well, then you re doing the same to me, you re doing to others, but they don t understand."
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"text": "I can even tell you myself when I ve been involved in this fight for 20 years, but I can remember in the beginning, people talking about privilege and, you know,"
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"text": "And that s what goes through the head of somebody who doesn t have your experience initially."
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"text": "And then you start seeing, you know, as I develop more friends in the community that are there, they become dear friends and witnessing things that you just don t see if you re not in the environment that I just wouldn t tolerate."
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"text": "And so I wanted to show for two seconds, I know you re a father, a father of two, right?"
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"text": "I m curious, Sam."
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"text": "And so this is a part of it."
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"text": "But the idea that you re just not going to talk about it is a disservice to our kids who then have to go to school with ignorant white kids who then can t be allies and who can t understand what s going on and then get tricked into patterns of behavior that are not fair."
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"text": "not humane."
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"text": "Thank you, man."
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"text": "I really appreciate your insights and your feeling, and hopefully people will be penetrated by what you ve shared."
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"text": "Now we speak to a legend, Reverend Jesse Jackson, civil rights activist, Baptist minister, politician."
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"text": "Jesse, you ve been called the conscience of a nation."
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"text": "for 60 years you ve worked in this category and you ve been on the forefront of just about every piece, civil rights, equality, economic, social justice, sexual, social justice."
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"text": "You always talk about we can t move backward with fear and division."
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"text": "So how do we unify at a time like this?"
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"text": "He s insulating me from racial laws."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_02",
"text": "I look for the God factor in this thing."
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"text": "When George Floyd breathed his last breath, God breathed into the whole human race."
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"text": "A dying man, not a congressman, not a rich man, a dying man on the corner in Minnesota, breathed life into the whole world with his last breath."
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"text": "The whole world is running to this camera, not a big camera shot."
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"text": "Barbara in Hollywood, the child, she filmed it, took it public."
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"text": "The other thing, it seems to me, is that COVID-19, one germ, stopped the whole world."
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"text": "Let me go to another level."
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"text": "If there s a wall between us, Tony, there s a wall between us."
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"text": "On the other side of the wall is ignorance, fear, hatred, and violence."
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"text": "Now, when we play football together, it s interesting that we come out of these various backgrounds."
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"text": "What allows us to play football together?"
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"text": "Would you share with us what brought you to Tukey originally and how his life is an example of what s really possible, how humans can change, white, black, brown, you know, Christian, Jew, Muslim, it doesn t matter what, because to me that s what his life is a metaphor for and his life passing the way it did."
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"text": "I want to make sure he s honored this time and brought up as such a beautiful example, Barbara."
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"text": "I met Stan about 27 years ago."
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"text": "And if you had seen me then, I was a, I can laugh about it now, but I was a pearl button wearing, white pearls around my neck, straight hair,"
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"text": "Well, I didn t know, obviously, what it meant to be black, but thought I was more down."
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"text": "Or we can retreat right at the foot of the bridge and do nothing."
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"text": "Recognize this moment, just like we recognize the moment Trayvon Martin was killed, just like we recognize the moment of Ferguson, just like we recognize the moment of Eric Garner, or we can actually make something out of this."
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"text": "Eight minutes and 46 seconds, we witnessed a murder in broad daylight."
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"text": "11 camera angles, people watched."
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"text": "Are we gonna allow people to politicize this moment so they can cannibalize the opportunity?"
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"text": "Or can we begin to build relationships within the black community and outside of the black community to try to put forth a public policy scheme that reflect a value system that we can overcome the structural racism that has plagued us for decades?"
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"text": "Final point."
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"text": "W.E.B Du Bois was one of the founders of the NAACP."
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"text": "And he talked about the issue of the 21st century will be the issue of race."
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"text": "We have never dealt with race."
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"text": "We ve never addressed race."
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"text": "We try to make the victims the problem so we can excuse away the opportunity."
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"text": "Here is our opportunity to really confront the question, yes,"
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"text": "Police agencies across the country, they have been a plague in our neighborhoods."
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"text": "I grew up in Detroit on the street called 23rd Street."
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"text": "And we have individuals who care enough about the community to provide the necessary protection and service."
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"text": "So thank you for this opportunity, but we are at a juncture."
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"text": "It is about our heart, but it s also about our head."
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"text": "It s a foundation of a history that we can learn from, but it s forward-looking."
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"text": "We have to move from protest to power."
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"text": "First, I wanted to just comment on what you said."
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"text": "This has happened so many times."
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"text": "We ve had the moment before, but nothing s changed."
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"text": "My prayer is there s the process of stacking."
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"text": "There s been stacking going on for centuries, for decades."
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"text": "But when somebody overreacts to something, if you overreact to your own child or to other human being, and you realize you feel bad afterwards, you don t overreact to that moment."
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"text": "You overreact because it happened again and again and again until you hit a tipping point."
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"text": "I mean, Eric Gardner couldn t breathe, and we didn t get enough of this result."
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"text": "But maybe Arbery, maybe Floyd, maybe all these together finally hit this tipping point where it can change."
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"text": "So my last question for you, and I ve got to go to Charlemagne, I really appreciate his time, is what do you want to come out of these protests now at this point?"
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"text": "And why have you, there s a big push to defund the police, and there s a lot of controversy on all sides on that."
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"text": "Why are you not endorsing that so that people understand your perspective and the NAACP s perspective on that?"
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"text": "And what do you hope is going to come out of this protest?"
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"text": "What do you want out of this protest?"
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"text": "Well, the moment of protest is great."
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"text": "It has stirred up the type of energy."
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"text": "It has given a lot of people the courage to stand up and identify."
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"text": "In this moment, it is just not about Mr. Floyd."
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"text": "It s about racism."
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"text": "We ve heard more people pronounce the reality that racism is real."
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"text": "For years, people were denied it even exists."
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"text": "This administration is still denying"
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"text": "Racism is real."
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"text": "That s one good thing."
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"text": "Now what you re going to do about it, it s time to take the protest and march to the polls in November."
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"text": "Because how you address it is address the policy that reinforce it, that keep it in place."
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"text": "And when the whole movement around defund the police, I completely understand the energy behind it."
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"text": "And I ve asked, what does that really mean?"
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"text": "And I ve had three different definitions."
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"text": "We need to stop having a buildup of arms of local agencies and understand those resources can be better deployed around preventive opportunities."
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"text": "Growing up in Detroit, we used to go 10 minutes across the river, and during that time, many of the, across the river to Canada and Windsor."
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"text": "Over the last 30 years, crime has gone down, not up, and yet the budgets of police agencies have gone up."
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"text": "Why are they building up arms as opposed to building up communities?"
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"text": "How can those resources be better deployed to ensure that a child is not locked up, but the same amount of resources can be utilized so many children can be exposed to what is possible?"
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"text": "Yes."
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"text": "Derrick, Derrick."
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"text": "Do you remember in Minnesota, sir?"
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"text": "Yes."
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"text": "As we moved in politically, white figures moved to suburbs, and police offered the right to be non-residential in Minneapolis."
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"text": "Now, I say for the police don t live in Minneapolis."
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"text": "in Baltimore and Detroit."
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"text": "These policemen find a good job in the city and they come in as hired hands, as hired gunmen."
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"text": "You know, and that s a perfect point."
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"text": "You have no empathy for those you don t live around."
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"text": "Therefore, you are willing to do stuff that s unlawful, particularly if you re not held accountable."
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"text": "Qualified immunity allows police officers to do stuff without being held accountable."
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"text": "In the city of Detroit today, the county sheriff, Benny Napoleon, good brother, when he recognized that this virus was taking hold, what he did immediately was reduce the number of inmates in the county jail"
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"text": "It s a model that people should look at."
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"text": "He redirected the resource to save money, and as a result of that, allow people to have dignity in the midst of this public health crisis."
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"text": "So we need the police, but we need police that are connected to the community, that care for the community, understand the community and have consequences for the officer."
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"text": "Didn t the officer that committed this murder was written up 18 times and yet he wasn t removed."
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"text": "So that s the insane part."
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"text": "Thank you, Derek."
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"text": "I really appreciate Charlemagne, the God you ve been patient as can be brother."
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"text": "We never expected to build all this long."
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"text": "Thank you for sticking with us."
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"text": "Um, you re a cultural influencer, man."
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"text": "You ve you re, you re not just influencing this country around the world."
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"text": "Now your breakfast club."
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"text": "conversations get put on YouTube, everybody sees them, shares them, you go deep."
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"text": "I ve heard you say you re not surprised by this."
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"text": "I d love to know a couple things."
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"text": "One is, you have two daughters, is that right?"
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"text": "Three."
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"text": "Three daughters."
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"text": "Okay."
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"text": "How old are your daughters, may I ask?"
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"text": "11, 4, and 1."
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"text": "Wow."
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"text": "I assume at 11 for sure you re having these conversations, but how are you helping them to interpret what this means?"
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"text": "What s the message you want your children to have?"
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"text": "I m curious."
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"text": "And then I d love it if you d share a little bit of your story."
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"text": "I know you started out out of necessity selling drugs early in your life and so forth."
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"text": "And what created the change in you where you really wanted to become an influencer the way you d become?"
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"text": "But I d love to hear about your children first, if we may."
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"text": "Yeah."
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"text": "First of all, I want to thank all the brilliant people that are here with us today, because it s been very informative just listening to each one of y all speak."
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"text": "And I m a little off right now, just because this whole time period has been really emotionally exhausting and mentally exhausting and spiritually exhausting."
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"text": "And right before"
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"text": "Around 1.30 today, Eastern Time, I got a phone call about one of my really good friends who committed suicide."
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"text": "Wow."
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"text": "Sorry, brother."
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"text": "Yeah, and you know, you just, I don t know, it s whatever."
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"text": "In a way, I feel like I failed her, just because you know people are going through things, and you reach out to help people, and you try to help people."
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"text": "But it s like if somebody doesn t allow you fully in and really gives you access to help, you never really know what s going on."
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"text": "You just know something s going on."
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"text": "You don t want to plant the wrong seeds in a person s, in a child s brain, because you don t know what that fruit can grow into."
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"text": "I don t want to tell my daughter, like, yo, all white people are evil."
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"text": "you know, all white people are bad, you know, I don t wanna do that, right?"
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"text": "But then you have to tell them about the reality of the situation."
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"text": "The reality of the situation is white supremacy is very evil."
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"text": "You know, systemic racism is very evil, you know?"
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"text": "And for me, just being a black person in America, you know, in particular, a black man, like, there s no way I can look at, you know, George Floyd and don t see myself."
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"text": "A nightmare scenario of mine, you know to have an encounter with police officers that ends with me being murdered just because of an interaction And you know when you re a black man, all you re trying to do every day of your life is survive and when you have like Close friends close family people that you rely on a circle a tribe When one of us doesn t make it for whatever reason You feel like"
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"text": "You feel like you didn t survive."
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"text": "Like, I honestly feel right now like a part of me has gone, you know what I m saying?"
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"text": "I feel like I didn t help one of my own survive."
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"text": "So, you know, how much longer, you know, would I even have left?"
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"text": "I don t know, you know, but, you know, I just have this thing I call black annoyance and things like this just constantly remind me why it s warranted and black annoyance,"
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"text": "It s the paranoia that comes with being black in America, and it s triggered by, you know, death."
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"text": "So seeing a black man get killed in broad daylight in front of several people while cameras are rolling, and he s being murdered by the same people that, you know, are supposed to protect and serve us, when you see that, you know, you got to nullify the shadow of a doubt that everything you believe about America is an absolute lie."
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"text": "Thank you all."
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"text": "Barbara, any final comments?"
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"text": "What you want white folks to understand, to feel, to act upon?"
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"text": "Well, what I want is for them, there s a phrase that s used in the academic world, which of course I m half in right now, and that is the epistemology."
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"text": "I ve had to know what they were about and what they were thinking, but they don t know anything about me."
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"text": "It s time for white folks to know something about us, a new perspective."
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"text": "That was, again, the entire purpose of this conversation."
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"text": "My hope is that will people be reached by the rawness and realness of all of you, your life experience,"
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"text": "And every one of you would have the right to be enraged 24 seven and not have any opening in your minds, but you all are leaders and trying to find that place of balance and level or brotherhood again."
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"text": "Charlemagne, to clean it up, what would you like white folks to know?"
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"text": "What do you want them to do, brother?"
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"text": "Oh man, you know, I think as long as we live under a mechanism of white supremacy,"
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"text": "So, you know, until you have white people who want to use their privilege to combat prejudice and who are intentional about dismantling the mechanism of white supremacy, I m just not sure things will ever change."
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"text": "I m really not."
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"text": "We have to be intentional about it."
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"text": "This can t be something that we move on from two weeks from now."
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"text": "And, you know, I don t even like the term making space."
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"text": "People like to say that making space."
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"text": "dismantling all of these wicked systems, man, but especially the system of white supremacy and systemic racism."
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"text": "Because even when you talk about the Book of Revelations, everybody s like, oh, it s the end of the world."
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"text": "Well, thank you."
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"text": "I just want you to know just I m one human being."
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"text": "I m certainly not everything, but it s these conversations that can open people s eyes and hearts."
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"text": "It s these conversations called to the spirit of the soul of a human being."
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"text": "Because we all, we want anybody we love to suffer and we re part of the same family."
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"text": "So we re going to also work to put this in schools."
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"text": "so that your voices will be heard from the raw, real place they are, both with the concern and the pain and the hurt, and also the way forward."
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"text": "It s not an easy way."
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"text": "It s not a straight line."
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"text": "We see a straight line, a human drew it."
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"text": "You know, nature is up and down and around, but it feels like, and I sure pray to God that it is for all benefits, for all humanity,"
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"text": "that we ve hit that tipping point, we move forward."
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"text": "And I have sincerely apologized to all of you, not for me, but for any white person that s ever suppressed or pushed back or not shown you the love or respect that each of you deserve as just the dignity of being a human being."
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"text": "And I thank you for all the fights you ve pushed through."
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"text": "I thank you for your perseverance."
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"text": "I thank you for your taking the time today out of your busy time to schedule your deepest feelings and share those and to share what you think are ways forward."
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"text": "And I just hope that what comes out of this conversation for people is more compassion, more unity, more connection, more love."
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"text": "If we step in each other s shoes, then we can t let this continue."
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"text": "And I m grateful that we re at this point where even technology is allowed."
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"text": "I saw somebody write that racism isn t increasing or decreasing."
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"text": "It s just being filmed more."
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"text": "Bring that mirror directly to people s faces."
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"text": "I think there is goodness in all humans of all colors, all races, all backgrounds."
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"text": "We re part of the same family."
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"text": "And all of you have contributed so much in your lives already."
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"text": "My prayer is that you ll continue to do the good work you re doing."
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"text": "And I hope you all know that you can call upon me in any way I can help you or your family, or Charlemagne, a friend like that in the future."
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"text": "I m dedicated and devoted to your well-being as I would any other brother or sister on the planet, but especially all of you that have been through so much and have given so much back."
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"text": "So thank you."
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"text": "God bless."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_02",
"text": "Thank you."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_02",
"text": "Bye-bye."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "Thank you, Tony."
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"text": "The Tony Robbins Podcast is directed by Tony Robbins and produced by the Tony Robbins team."
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"text": "Copyright Robbins Research International."
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"text": "We re into the 11th day after the loss of a dear brother, and the whole world saw it, witnessed it."
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"text": "And I m so privileged."
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"text": "I m honored to be in presence and so grateful that you re willing to share your experience, but our hope is to have them share their experience of what this is all about, what they want all of us to know, maybe not have these experiences to not only know, but to appreciate."
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"text": "And you re extremely humble, Laura, because I know how hard you work to help in this area."
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"text": "And there are many candidates who are offering themselves for public office who are going to help us lead this way so that that light becomes even brighter, illuminates in a very positive way."
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"text": "That remedy is old."
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"text": "So now we re going to go to Suprena Fulton, again, Trayvon Martin s mom."
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"text": "She lost her 17-year-old son."
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"text": "And I just want to hear from you."
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"text": "The part, it s all heartbreaking."
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"text": "about what s going on here and what s happened to George Floyd, what happened to your son, and please tell us what your experience has been and what gives you hope, if anything, to create change, because I know you re dedicated to that."
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"text": "We are not saying that all of our people are right or good, don t make mistakes, and don t need to be arrested."
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"text": "This notion of trying and executing us on the sidewalk and going away and having coffee and donuts, it makes you so disgusted and so angry."
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"text": "And how do I convince my children of that other two-fifths of humanity that has been compromised in the country that we love?"
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"text": "When every day they wake up to illustrations that my parents thought were gone with Dr. King."
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"text": "And here we are again, singing the same songs, even in the same key that Dr. King sung them in when I was a little boy."
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"text": "watching on a screen that look like a bifocal lens."
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"text": "The reality today is that we have to grapple with this."
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"text": "And it is not just we have to change the way we vote."
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"text": "We have to change."
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"text": "Do not fund them just because you get a tax advantage."
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"text": "If you stand alongside and continue to watch what is happening to us and don t do anything about it, you are just as complicit as the people who did it."
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"text": "And the other thing that I want to say, because I have so much to say, I m just going to just throw it up at you."
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"text": "Please, please."
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"text": "They smoked reefer, they drank, they had a beer, whatever it is, but none of that adds up to the right to kill me."
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"text": "So when right now we have a bill in Congress that we are fighting to get passed against lynching, why would we have to fight to get both sides to agree that lynching is wrong?"
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"text": "While I am trying to get our people to vote, we need voices like yours to get your people to hold those people accountable to a higher standard that stops the pain of a pregnant woman being shot with rubber bullets in her belly in the middle of a demonstration."
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"text": "And the reason our community doesn t trust you is because the police reports over George Floyd changed when the pictures came out."
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"text": "And so you can start by believing the victim rather than explaining to me what my experience is as a black person."
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"text": "And we re hurt."
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"text": "It s disgusting."
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"text": "It s disgusting to have to look Sabrina in the face and know that she went through a pain that a mother will never forget, and to watch mother after mother after mother after mother go through that again."
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"text": "There is no way, I ll say this and shut up, there is no way in God s green earth"
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"text": "that I could see Tony Robbins on the side of the road and put my knee in his neck, or let anybody else do that, and me not fight them to the death, as white as you are, and as black as I am, I would go down to the floor fighting for you."
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"text": "As I would for you, brother, as you know in your soul, as I would for you."
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"text": "It isn t black or white, but the experience of just that color difference living in this country passed a shift."
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"text": "That s why we re having this conversation."
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"text": "I have nothing to add to it."
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"text": "The first, they have to feel."
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"text": "and you it s considered a sickness oh the opioid addiction it s a sickness oh my god we ve got to pass money and legislation for a sickness when black people get on drugs we re criminals when your kids get on drugs they re patients fix this we love our kids like you love your kids"
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"text": "In some of our states, the judge can get high, and we still haven t got the guys out of jail who went into jail for doing the same thing that we re now legalizing."
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"text": "I m asking you to think."
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"text": "I m asking you to think about me and I am promising you that I will think about you and we need to think about each other before our enemies outside of this country think about what a great opportunity it is to destroy this country."
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"text": "First of all, thank you for joining us."
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"text": "And would you start out, Daryl, by just telling us the story of how this first happened?"
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"text": "Because you ve got taken with, is it 200 Klansmen now?"
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"text": "Is that right?"
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"text": "That s incredible, Darryl."
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"text": "Tell us the first time it happened when you re playing, you know, music."
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"text": "Tell us the story, if you would, and tell us what made it possible and then what drove you after that to expand beyond that one relationship, which by itself would be an unbelievable life accomplishment, to what you ve done for the last 30 years, brother."
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"text": "Well, I have a degree in music performance and jazz, and I was playing rock and roll and blues and things like that, and then country music had made a resurgence."
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"text": "So if you want to work full-time, which I did, I joined a country band."
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"text": "And country music and blues music is the exact same music, the same three chords."
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"text": "I was the only black person in there."
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"text": "and consequently, usually the only black person where we would play."
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"text": "Well, the band used to play or they had played at a place called the Silver Dollar Lounge in Frederick, Maryland, about an hour and a half outside of Washington, DC, hour and 20 minutes."
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"text": "And the Silver Dollar Lounge was an all white lounge, not meaning that blacks could not go in there, but blacks chose not to go in there."
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"text": "And that was a good choice because they were not welcome."
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"text": "It was an all-white lounge, and usually, you know, when you re not welcome and alcohol is being served, it s not a good combination."
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"text": "So they stayed out."
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"text": "Well, here I was in the Silver Dollar Lounge, and my first time."
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"text": "The band had been there before."
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"text": "We came off the bandstand after the first set, take a break, on our way to sit down, and this white gentleman walked across the dance floor and put his arm around my shoulder and said how much he enjoyed the music."
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"text": "And I shook his hand, I thanked him."
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"text": "And then he pointed at the stage and said, I ve seen this here band before, but I ain t never seen you before."
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"text": "Where d you come from?"
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"text": "And I explained, well, yeah, you probably did see him."
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"text": "You know, they told me they played here, but I just joined them."
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"text": "I ve only been in the band a couple of months and it s my first time here."
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"text": "He says, well, man, I sure like your piano playing."
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"text": "This is the first time I ever heard a black man play piano like Jerry Lee Lewis."
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"text": "And I was not offended."
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"text": "I was not offended."
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"text": "And he did not know the black origin of Jerry Lee Lewis s style of playing."
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"text": "And I said to him, I said, well, where do you think Jerry Lee Lewis learned how to play?"
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"text": "He says, well, he invented that."
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"text": "No, he didn t."
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"text": "He s told me himself."
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"text": "He s a friend of mine."
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"text": "He s told me himself what he learned how to play."
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"text": "He learned from black, blues, and boogie-woogie piano players."
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"text": "That s where rock and roll, rockabilly came from."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Oh, no, no, no."
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"text": "I ain t never seen no black man play like that except for you."
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"text": "So I m thinking, OK, well, this guy never saw Little Richard or Fats Domino or something."
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"text": "But he was fascinated enough with me, he didn t believe me, but he was fascinated enough that he wanted to buy me a drink."
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"text": "Now, I don t drink, but I went back to his table and had a cranberry juice with him."
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"text": "He paid the waitress, he took his glass and cheered me, clinked my glass."
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"text": "And then he says, you know, this is the first time I ever sat down and had a drink with a black man."
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"text": "Now I m kind of baffled, like, you know, what s going on here?"
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"text": "I asked him why, and he didn t answer me at first."
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"text": "I asked him again, and his buddy sitting next to him elbowed him and said, tell him, tell him, tell him."
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"text": "I said, tell me, I understand the mystery here."
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"text": "He looked at me just as plain as day and said, I m a member of the Ku Klux Klan."
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"text": "And I burst out laughing at him, because I did not believe him."
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"text": "You thought he was joking."
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"text": "I thought he was joking."
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"text": "I know a lot about the Klan, a whole lot."
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"text": "And they don t operate that way."
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"text": "So I think, OK, this guy s just jerking me around."
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"text": "He probably figured I was jerking him around about Jerry Lee, so he s going to jerk me around about the Klan."
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"text": "So I m laughing, and he goes inside his wallet, flips through, and hands me his Klan membership card."
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"text": "I looked at it, and I was shocked."
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"text": "I recognized the Ku Klux Klan insignia, a red circle with a white cross and red blood drop in the center."
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"text": "You know, this thing is for real."
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"text": "So I stopped laughing, right?"
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"text": "And I gave it back to him."
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"text": "And we talked about the Klan and some other things."
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"text": "But I m going to skip ahead."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I had formed a question in my mind."
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"text": "in 1968 when I had rocks thrown at me in a Cub Scout parade and I didn t understand why."
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"text": "And I formed a question that was, how can you hate me when you don t even know me?"
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"text": "And I ve been searching for the answer to that question and I could not find it."
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"text": "Nobody seemed to be able to give me a satisfactory answer."
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"text": "So later on, you know, that guy gave me his phone number and wanted me to call him anytime I was to come to that bar with this band because he wanted to bring his friends, you know, his friends, Klansmen and Klanswomen to see this Black guy play piano like Jerry Lee."
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"text": "I m not sure he called me a Black guy to his friends, but he wanted me to call him and let him know when I was playing there."
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"text": "So we were there every six weeks."
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"text": "You can t even make up a story like this, Darryl."
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"text": "This is for real."
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"text": "This is incredible."
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"text": "They came in street clothes."
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"text": "and say hello."
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"text": "Others would see me coming and they d get up and scoot off to some other part of the room."
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"text": "They want to see me, but not associate with me, which was fine."
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"text": "And so this went on to the end of the year, and I quit that band and went back to playing rock and roll and blues."
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"text": "But then it dawned on me, Daryl, the answer to your question"
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"text": "that s been plaguing you since age 10 fell right into your lap."
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"text": "Who better to ask that question, how can you hate me when you don t even know me, than to ask somebody who would go so far as to join an organization whose whole premise has been hating people who don t look like them and who don t believe as they believe."
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"text": "Get back in contact with that guy and write a book."
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"text": "Get him to hook you up."
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"text": "with the Grand Dragon and the Imperial Wizard and other people and other clan members."
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"text": "Go up north, go down south, go to the Midwest, go to the West, and interview people."
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"text": "Get them to hook you up and write this book and ask those people that question."
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"text": "Because he was friendly with you, maybe he ll help you out."
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"text": "So that s what I did."
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"text": "Long story short, I traveled the country and I interviewed a lot of clan members, leaders, imperial wizards, grand dragons, exalted cyclopses, great titans, so forth and so on."
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"text": "And I wrote the book, Clandestine Relationships."
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"text": "And through the process of sitting down and talking with these people, many of them ended up leaving the clan and giving me their robes and hoods."
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"text": "I m gonna tell you right quick about one guy here."
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"text": "This guy, he was a grand dragon in the state of Maryland."
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"text": "This guy, his name was Robert White, Bob White."
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"text": "He was the grand dragon from Maryland."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Yeah."
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"text": "And he was a grand dragon from Maryland."
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"text": "And anyway, he went to prison."
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"text": "He went to prison for four years for conspiring to bomb a synagogue in Baltimore."
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"text": "He got out of prison and continued running the Klan."
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"text": "And he went back to prison a few years later for assault with intent to murder two black men with a shotgun."
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"text": "So when he got out, I interviewed him."
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"text": "And this man was vehemently"
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"text": "And it s hard to hate somebody when you re sitting right there in front of them and they re speaking the same language."
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"text": "And they re seeing that you want the same things for your family that they want for their family."
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"text": "So long story short, over a period of time, this man left the Klan."
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"text": "Now let me tell you something."
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"text": "Being a grand dragon, being an imperial wizard, a great legal, whatever, does not bring you any money, unless you re embezzling some of the dues that the members pay."
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"text": "You have to have a job."
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"text": "I have a ton of robes and hoods here."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I got it out to show it to you, if you can see it."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Oh, wow, that s incredible."
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"text": "This is his grand dragon robe."
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"text": "Now, his day job,"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Let me just hook this for you here."
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"text": "Baltimore City police officer."
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"text": "Okay."
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"text": "Because I would ask the question when I first started interviewing the people, all right?"
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"text": "The answer I would get is, are Black people are criminals?"
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"text": "Because you can see that there are more blacks in prison than white people."
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"text": "Well, that s the half truth."
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"text": "of the inequity in the judicial system, as the Bishop said, also that we cannot afford the attorneys, as the Bishop said."
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"text": "So they don t see that."
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"text": "And then I m told that Black people are born with a smaller brain."
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"text": "than white people."
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"text": "He also was the godson of Byron de la Beckwith, the Klansman who murdered Medgar Evers."
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"text": "Wow."
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"text": "So I own Scott Shepard s robe as well."
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"text": "And Scott Shepard is not only a very good friend of mine,"
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"text": "He is my brother, Scott Shepard."
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"text": "Scott, thank you for joining us and thank you for your example."
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"text": "And so many people think someone s a racist, they re a racist forever."
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"text": "And I think when you think of a Klansman, you think of something, if it s even possible, more extreme than racism."
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"text": "It sounds like you were raised in an environment."
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"text": "Can you tell us what, you know, like we saw earlier, you re not born a racist."
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"text": "What were the conditions that brought you to those beliefs?"
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"text": "And, you know, I say to everybody, all those watching right now and listening, you know, all of us, forget racism, all of us can probably remember something we used to believe 5, 10, 15 years ago, that today you look back on it, back then you would have fought for that idea, and now back then you re almost embarrassed to believe you believe that stuff."
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"text": "I m not talking about racism."
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"text": "We ve all had that."
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"text": "It s important for us to remember that human beings can truly change because they, most of the conversations are making moral judgments about somebody and then locking them in time."
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"text": "Instead of saying like, well, you ve done Daryl, we disagree, but let me hear what your point of view is and being willing to hear it s all about."
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"text": "finding what s wrong, doing a gotcha, and then blaming somebody and making yourself morally better than they are."
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"text": "And that s made no progress."
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"text": "All it does is keep pushing people apart."
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"text": "So Scott, tell us if you would, what brought you to the point of the beliefs you did have and what happened in your actions with Daryl that changed it?"
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"text": "And again, thank you for your courage and your commitment and your willingness to be here."
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"text": "Melissa, share your story."
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"text": "Well, I appreciate being here."
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"text": "Of course, Darryl Davis is my brother, and I guess I d have to say that if it wasn t for Darryl Davis, I d probably be dead."
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"text": "And there was a lot of things that I saw when I was growing up, and still PTSD, and to even a soldier."
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"text": "And right there in Indian Oak, Mississippi, was the backyard of the Ku Klux Klan and the white citizens camp."
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"text": "So I went looking for the imperial wizard of that Klan, and then tracking down in Louisiana, Bill Wilkerson,"
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"text": "And they appeared in Chippewa, Mississippi, put their arm around me, met me, and said, oh, we ll take care of you, and you won t have to worry about anything else."
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"text": "Things of that nature, and I fell for a fruit line and a sinker."
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"text": "I found what I was looking for at home."
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"text": "And of course, it s kind of a complicated case because I was raised by a black family."
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"text": "You were raised by a black family?"
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"text": "I was raised by a black lady."
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"text": "The anger, all the anger and the hatred, even the hatred I had for her myself, just over, you know, it took over and... Projected it out."
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"text": "Hard to explain."
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"text": "And of course, being raised by a black lady, I kind of separated myself from her and her family."
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"text": "And then there was Rex Scott Coffins, and she happened to die just a couple of years ago, two days before her 104th birthday."
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"text": "And I m very lucky and very fortunate that I was able to make amends with her before she passed away."
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"text": "Let me just interject something there."
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"text": "Scott s grandmother was also raised by Rebecca Scott Hawkins."
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"text": "In the South, oftentimes, Black women were nannies to families."
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"text": "And she died at the age of 104 just a couple weeks ago."
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"text": "Wow."
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"text": "I m so grateful you were able to make amends with her."
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"text": "How did she respond to your change of heart and soul and spirit here?"
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"text": "What was her reaction?"
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"text": "It had been years and years before I d seen, you know, since I d seen him because of my activity, I was embarrassed and things like that."
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"text": "And of course, I went to her door."
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"text": "So I went to her door and knocked on it and not only did she open her door, she opened her arms and hugged me and said, told me she knew I d always come back home."
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"text": "It was a very emotional thing."
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"text": "Wow."
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"text": "Tell us what, so you didn t, you weren t just a member of the KK, you moved up to the state level, to the national level, Imperial Wizard."
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"text": "You know, what allowed you to move up?"
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"text": "What did he say that made sense to you initially that grabbed you?"
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"text": "Well, basically, one of the things he said, you know, of course, what he says is, how can you hate me if you don t love me?"
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"text": "I turned around and I asked myself that question."
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"text": "I did not have an answer."
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"text": "I still don t have an answer."
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"text": "What, what would you say Scott to someone who s who believes that anyone else you know because it s we re dealing with black white here but if I go to Israel and Palestine and you see people there that are"
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"text": "To get them to start to open that door or what would you say to any of us that may know someone?"
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"text": "I knew I grew up with a"
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"text": "He was a little boy because he was injured so much in his life by, quote, Jewish people and by, you know, he used the N word, African Americans."
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"text": "I couldn t believe it because I knew him as such a good man and he d become this monster."
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"text": "And one of my greatest frustrations as a child was like, how can he think this way?"
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"text": "How could I get through to him?"
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"text": "What would you say if you were trying to help somebody yourself in that situation?"
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"text": "What would you say to them or what would you get them to experience to begin to create that opening?"
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"text": "Let me say this, I contacted Darryl and Darryl returned my phone call and we exchanged calls and became friends and I ve learned a lot from him and I hope he s learned something too."
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"text": "But I ve learned a lot from Darryl and the main thing is conversation."
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"text": "And that s what I would ask him."
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"text": "And of course, that s one of the things that brought Darryl and I together."
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"text": "I didn t even know he was a musician."
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"text": "And here I was in Indianola, Mississippi, on the BB King, and Darryl was a musician."
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"text": "And that gave us a common subject to work from, and it s grown into a brotherhood."
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"text": "It s the music that s the language of the soul."
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"text": "People would be really surprised what it does."
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"text": "I was honored to appear with Daryl in Atlanta, Georgia at the Martin Luther King Center."
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"text": "uh in January or two both years and uh I was very honored and emotionally so I was able to apologize to Denise King for the things that I had done and and said about her father."
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"text": "I said a lot of awful things."
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"text": "I d like to apologize to Mr. Martin Luther King III there."
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"text": "I d like to apologize to everyone on the panel."
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"text": "Because I m grateful, very grateful that I m not the same person I am today that I was then."
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"text": "It s been a good, God bless."
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"text": "Scott, thank you for that."
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"text": "And even though I ve not done those things, I still apologize to all of you men and women for all that you ve gone through on behalf of anyone that s ever harmed you or harmed those you love."
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"text": "This has been a beautiful experience that s the beginning, not the end of action."
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"text": "That s what this is all about."
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"text": "Scott, thank you for your actions."
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"text": "You know, it s great to think differently, have a change of heart, but you ve acted on it and you ve done good in your beginning."
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"text": "Continue to do good."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_02",
"text": "So thank you for that."
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"text": "Last but not least, Dr. Michael Beckwith, who, by the way, look at this gorgeous man."
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"text": "What you ve done with Agape and what you ve done with your life to serve people is truly extraordinary."
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"text": "You re a unifier."
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"text": "That s one of the reasons why I wanted you here in this slot here was not making you last."
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"text": "I know what your heart is and your soul is about."
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"text": "So tell us, where do you see we are?"
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"text": "What has helped you to bring people together from all religions, all races, all backgrounds?"
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"text": "What s your secret?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_02",
"text": "What s the secret sauce there?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_02",
"text": "And tell us what you see in this current situation and what maybe makes you optimistic where we need to go."
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"text": "Yeah, thank you."
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"text": "First of all, Tony for even for having this can be convening this gathering."
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"text": "I have not been agitated for time not one second, listening to every single speaker everyone had something to say from a very powerful lens and I appreciate it."
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"text": "You know, I started Agape 34 years ago, and Agape, I derived that from the word, from the speech from Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., who talked about the highest form of the love, the love of God operating in the human heart."
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"text": "I had an organization called Agape Transformationals."
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"text": "which was a combination of agape love and transformational was from Malcolm X, because he had transformed his life in the eye."
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"text": "So agape emerged from that."
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"text": "I met Dr. King as a small boy at Holman s Methodist Church when I was about 10 years old, shook his hand, and I said to my mom, he has such soft hands."
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"text": "And she said, baby, he does a different kind of work."
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"text": "And so I ve been influenced."
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"text": "And Dr. Martin Luther King III, we re very good friends."
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"text": "I work with him and his family."
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"text": "But just in summary of what everyone has said, if you re Black, you have gone through the fire of racism and bigotry and walking into a room and being the other."
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"text": "when I attended Morehouse College, and I went there because that was Dr. King s alma mater."
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"text": "Create in your mind the badge number, try to get the name, and then go report it."
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"text": "And so this particular woman, who is a spiritual therapist in our community, is developing something called white women talking to white women or white mothers talking to white mothers."
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"text": "It s about unity."
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"text": "You know, based on their upbringing, based on their beliefs, based on their conditioning, they couldn t believe anything else in this moment, but they could believe something new if we can create an opening."
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"text": "That s what this set of conversations has been about."
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"text": "That s what Daryl s been doing."
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"text": "That s what you all have been doing."
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"text": "So anyone who d like to address this, I d like to hear your view of, you know,"
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"text": "Black Lives Matter and what it s really about, so that people that are not within the movement, maybe have a deeper perspective of what its message is."
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"text": "I hope this conversation as a whole has already answered it, but I think we should answer it specifically."
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"text": "And then I m going to come back to you with the last question, which is what definitive steps"
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"text": "can we, all those who are listening, take to make a difference?"
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"text": "And, you know, obviously making your voice heard is a piece of that, but to me, the ones that natural to me is we gotta, we gotta stop chokeholds as a systemic component by anybody with consequences so severe it can t be used unless it s life and death survival."
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"text": "You know, we ve got to make sure that there s some penalty for those that don t share or don t stop someone from doing this."
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"text": "If someone is saying, I can t breathe, there s got to be"
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"text": "an instant stop, or there s got to be a penalty stronger."
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"text": "Those are my illusions of what needs to be done systemically."
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"text": "But I d like to hear what each of you think we need to do systemically and personally."
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"text": "What can we do so we leave here taking action?"
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"text": "Because being inspired is nice."
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"text": "But to me, there are two great orators of antiquity, Demophenes and Cicero."
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"text": "Cicero is done speaking, everybody said what a great speech."
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"text": "When Demophanes is done, people said let us march."
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"text": "My goal is let us march, not just protest, but march in some form of action that moves this conversation that you ve given three hours of your lives to, so that we can see some progress."
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"text": "I know we re not going to be the end all and be all on one conversation, but we can make"
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"text": "real progress with people that care."
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"text": "So first, anyone want to address Black Lives Matter and its real mission and service?"
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"text": "And then second, let s come to what do we do?"
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"text": "And we ll wrap up this beautiful conversation."
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"text": "I think that when we hear black lives matter if we can, if people can understand it is saying black lives matter to black lives matter."
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"text": "Also, it is not saying other lives don t matter."
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"text": "It is saying that we ve been under siege for so long, in terms of how we ve been treated by the legal system."
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"text": "how we ve been treated by brute force by police departments, how we ve been treated by redlining, mass incarceration, poor health care, poor education based on the neighborhoods we ve been living in."
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"text": "Black lives matter also."
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"text": "That s what it means."
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"text": "Now, Black Lives Matter, in some cases, some legal entities see them as a terrorist group, which is just ridiculous."
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"text": "They re not a terrorist group."
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"text": "Black Lives Matter is an educational group to push the needle forward that black lives matter also."
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"text": "So if individuals can think also,"
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"text": "then they ll won t be up in arms and have to rush really fast to say all lives matter."
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"text": "We know all lives matter, but historically our lives haven t mattered."
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"text": "Yes, I get it."
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"text": "Would someone else like to share in this area?"
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"text": "Um, I would probably just piggyback on what he s saying."
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"text": "It s not, you know, the thing that I ve realized for myself and what I realized that happens,"
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"text": "When, you know, people have the community speak about their feelings and their thoughts and what they re going through."
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"text": "Oftentimes, depending on the tone of voice, it s always taken out of content saying that it s of anger."
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"text": "you know, it s coming from a place of anger."
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"text": "Yes, it s coming from a place of anger."
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"text": "Yes, it s coming from a place of hurt."
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"text": "But if you haven t experienced it, of course you re gonna take that offensively."
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"text": "But as humans, we should look at it as, think about it if it was you and your family."
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"text": "So of course you re gonna be angry about it."
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"text": "Of course you re gonna be, it s gonna come off however you take it."
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"text": "So I think that this movement is looked upon as being like this angry, aggressive, well,"
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"text": "Some form of it, yes, they are, because as it said before, it s come to a point where we re fed up."
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"text": "No one should have to witness their kid going to the store, buying something simple, and this is a great kid, and then they never see that kid again."
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"text": "Who wouldn t feel every emotion possible?"
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"text": "So yes, sometimes it is anger."
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"text": "Yes, sometimes it is pain."
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"text": "Yes, it is."
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"text": "But at the end of the day, everybody is saying the same thing."
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"text": "This is a basic statement."
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"text": "I don t understand how it s always taken out of content to be this negative movement."
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"text": "It s like, it is what it is."
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"text": "Black lives matter."
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"text": "I mean, there s no"
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"text": "I m sure if it was said another way, it d be taken out of content that way."
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"text": "It s like nothing us as a community say is ever what it is."
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"text": "It s always taken to somebody else s personal perspective and like amplified something negative."
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"text": "That s not fair."
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"text": "It is what it is."
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"text": "Black Lives Matter."
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"text": "That s it."
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"text": "I don t know how else simpler to say it."
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"text": "Perfect."
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"text": "Perfect."
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"text": "Let s finish with what actions that Shelby you ve mentioned some already."
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"text": "But what, what do you hope will come out of this conversation."
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"text": "Someone is watching this conversation."
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"text": "And by the way, hopefully, those that are brown skin, those that are part of the LGBT community, those that experienced any form"
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"text": "of racism or any form of oppression, understand this conversation was for them as well."
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"text": "But this one is about the African-American experience primarily here because of what s happening right now."
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"text": "But we re really just talking about humanity here."
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"text": "But what are the actions that we could take or someone at home should take and you d want them to take so that this three hours actually led to something?"
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"text": "I mean, education and compassion certainly is a first step because it changes relationships."
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"text": "You ve all experienced that."
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"text": "Daryl s demonstrated that."
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"text": "But what will you give us one or two things you d like to see happen that you think could either change the systemic problems or that just an individual can be part of the solution as we wrap up here."
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"text": "Okay, I ll say"
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"text": "Two things."
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"text": "One, our country can only become one of two things."
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"text": "It can become, number one, that which we sit back and let it become, or it can become, number two, that which we stand up and make it become."
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"text": "So we have to ask ourselves the question, do I want to sit back and see what my country becomes, or do I want to stand up and make my country become what I want to see?"
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"text": "And something that we have to remember is this."
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"text": "When two enemies are talking, they re not fighting."
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"text": "They re talking."
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"text": "It s when the conversation ceases that the ground becomes fertile for violence."
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"text": "So keep the conversation going."
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"text": "That s beautiful."
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"text": "Thank you."
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"text": "You certainly demonstrated that."
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"text": "Bishop, would you like to?"
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"text": "Yeah, I want to jump in just a little bit."
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"text": "I had an experience"
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"text": "Years ago, our church was integrated, but years ago, it wasn t to the degree that it is now, and it s hopefully not now to the degree that it s going to be."
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"text": "But an older white lady came to our church and she came down to the altar and said, I listen to you on television, I always enjoy your ministry, she said, but I was so afraid to come to your church, she said, because I wasn t sure that white people could come here."
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"text": "And that exploded in my head and it led me to a deeper understanding that some things that we categorize as racism are really fear."
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"text": "Yes."
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"text": "I think it s important that we don t give people a blueprint how to be out of their comfort zone."
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"text": "For African-Americans, it has been easy because we ve had no choice but to have not only IQ, but intellectual quotients, but we also had to have emotional quotients."
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"text": "And above all things, we had to have adaptability quotient because in order to survive as a minority, I can t get a GED without understanding white culture, but you could get a PhD and not understand my culture."
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"text": "Wow, so true."
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"text": "You have not had to assimilate."
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"text": "You ve not had to be listening to a different kind of music or be in a different atmosphere or wear clothes that were not natural organic to who you are."
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"text": "I have always had to watch what you do and emulate it in order to be accepted in your environment."
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"text": "And so my advice to people who are really interested in becoming more adaptable, because that s really what it s requiring that you come out of the safety of your silo, your tribe, and your bubble, and integrate, which is frightening."
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"text": "It s really frightening, especially when you re not used to it."
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"text": "Find things that we have in common to connect with."
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"text": "Yes."
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"text": "There are always distinctives and the media focuses on our distinctives because divisions drive up ratings."
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"text": "Instead of allowing the media to shape your perception of me, find things that are common to us and start your relationship like that."
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"text": "Because if healing and love and all the things we re talking about are going to occur, they re going to occur amongst friends."
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"text": "The amazing presentation that Dr. Davis delivered and his friend who came from the KKK is that friendship became the bridge that they crossed."
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"text": "to connect."
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"text": "This is old school, and I m going to date myself with this, but we were taught in school that in order to work with fractions or multiply them or divide them, you had to reduce them to their lowest common denominator."
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"text": "I don t think they do that anymore, but that s the way they taught us back then."
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"text": "Do you remember that?"
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"text": "When you re trying to connect with somebody of which you have so many distinctives and differences, reduce it down to your lowest common denominator."
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"text": "You love your kids, I love my kids."
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"text": "And if we can connect over what we like, then gradually we can discuss things that we think that we don t like."
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"text": "And I want to encourage everybody to lose the fear of getting outside of the orbit of what is comfortable to you and to start a conversation by looking for things that are common to men."
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"text": "And from that, we can begin to develop a narrative that embraces distinctives that are often not even legitimate, but have been taught to us in public relations."
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"text": "They teach us whoever goes first in telling their story, that s the perception you walk away with."
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"text": "So it depends on what news channel you watch, what Black Lives Matter means to you."
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"text": "It often has a lot to do with who said it to you first and what context they taught it to you."
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"text": "So break away from your first teacher and your first experience and rethink that that black lives do matter and white lives do matter and young lives do matter and old lives do matter and let s let s name it each time that is threatened."
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"text": "rather than to throw it all into the soup and act like all lives are being threatened simultaneously."
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"text": "Two years from now, we might be talking about all lives matter because people may be seeking to destroy us on the basis of age."
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"text": "It s whoever is up under attack at that moment."
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"text": "And right now, amongst other people groups, black lives are largely under attack."
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"text": "And so that s where our focus is today."
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"text": "I love you talking about bridging and finding with that common basic common denominator because that s what I attempt to do myself and I think it s the greatest compliment in the world that we find the depth of love for our children, for our family, for society, for our desire to do something meaningful with our lives that isn t"
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"text": "Every one of us needs to feel like we re important, that our life is meaningful, like we re loved, and that we can love, and that we can have some certainty that we can have more, you know, pleasure than pain in our life, more comfort at least than pain, because pain is going to come for all of us."
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"text": "I agree, my brothers."
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"text": "I cannot thank you all enough."
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"text": "We are in a moment in history in which a change can be made, and you ve all spent your lives to get to that point, and you ve all suffered immensely."
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"text": "And out of your suffering, I promise you I ll do everything in my power to get this out to as many people as well as be, you know, a heartfelt example of that myself."
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"text": "I want to thank each of you, and most of you in here are actually friends of mine."
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"text": "I think you know that."
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"text": "Laura, you re such a look at this bright light you are and all the stuff you ve been through all that s come out of this in the end still is love and I know that people are going to leave with that feeling that unity."
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"text": "So God bless you all."
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"text": "Thank you."
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"text": "But I think it would be remiss of us not to personally thank you as being a catalyst that brought us all together to have the kinds of conversations that would feed the nation."
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"text": "And I don t want you to be the one who thanks us without knowing how deeply and how sincerely we thank you for being just who you are."
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"text": "Indeed, yeah."
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"text": "As I saw the video that you put out, Tony, and your emotions were very, very raw, very sincere, very heartfelt."
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"text": "So along with the bishop and everyone else, I also want to thank you for being the place through which this galvanized into this conversation that will be moved to more love and more action."
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"text": "God bless."
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"text": "So don t wait, now is the time to act on claiming your share of the government benefits, apply for loans to keep your employees, and to pivot in this new economy."
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"text": "Here s Tyler and Tony."
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"text": "Before I dive into the high level elements of it, I just want to say very quickly that these"
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"text": "and things that can definitely apply to your business."
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"text": "But we want to make sure that you want to cover it with your professional, your individual professional to make sure that how it applies to you, this isn t individual tax advice."
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"text": "You can pay those back over up to 30 years, and that s for working capital loans."
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"text": "Like you said, if you handle it correctly, if you spend it on payroll costs, rent or mortgage interest, and utilities in the eight week period after funding."
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"text": "So it allows you to say, okay, instead of letting my people go, let s see where the world is in three months."
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"text": "And let me see if I can keep them all because right now I can."
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"text": "And you can do that on your own or you can come back to Tyler."
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"text": "But Tyler s got some additional benefits to show you."
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"text": "And that s what the government s doing."
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"text": "And we ve already, we work with Tyler in this case, and we got approved yesterday to give you an idea."
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"text": "Now all banks are equal in this area."
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"text": "Or if you work with Tyler, he can tell you some of the banks that he s working with as well."
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"text": "Please continue, Tyler."
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"text": "I just want to give him the big picture."
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"text": "As is highlighted by the things that Tony mentioned and these banking relationships, it s essential to move fast because every business out there under the sun is wanting to apply for these right now."
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"text": "But what it allows you to do is see, what s the world like?"
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"text": "And again, there may be an additional bridge."
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"text": "Who knows?"
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"text": "But if you have to do something afterwards, you will still get forgiveness for the entire loan as long as you do it within the formula that Tyler is showing you."
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"text": "Okay?"
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"text": "Yeah, exactly."
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"text": "Yeah, they re looking for the window, the forgiveness window up to June 30th is what your headcount is based off of."
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"text": "So you have the PPP loan, which is the up to $10 million loan, and that s strictly calculated based on your actual payroll costs."
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"text": "So it s at 3.75%, and it s paid back over up to 30 years."
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"text": "And they ll actually roll in existing SBA loans that you ve had before March 31st and pay the principal interest and fees on all of that for the next six months."
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"text": "from COVID-19."
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"text": "So when you re putting the package together, this is why it s important."
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"text": "They say it s DIY, you know, do it yourself, but so many people are going to do it themselves and not actually qualify because it really, it is a loan."
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"text": "Tyler, can you compare that to the $10 million loan?"
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"text": "Because some people I m reading are wondering what their credit s like, how much of the government is guaranteeing on that."
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"text": "Can you just clarify that?"
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"text": "Isn t it a 1% loan on the 10 million?"
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"text": "Um, and it was a half a percent and then they bumped it up to 1%."
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"text": "That s what I wanted you to get across to people."
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"text": "So normally for an SBA loan, you have to have a 680 credit score is what my main lender contact has told me."
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"text": "I don t know the exact credit score, but I would, but I know it s, it s much lower maybe in the high fives to low sixes."
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"text": "The government is the one that s guaranteeing it, guys, so you understand."
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"text": "So it s not like a typical loan."
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"text": "For some of you that may have been struggling, you could still potentially qualify for this."
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"text": "You should really get your application in and see where it is because it s not going to be based on you giving assets and it s going to be a lot less lower based on your credit than it has in the past since the government s guaranteeing it."
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"text": "So it s the equivalent of free money, because the government wants you to keep these people employed during this time."
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"text": "And also, again, if you get in the system, your chances if they didn t make some addition to the system, you re already in it."
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"text": "That s why I want to push all of you do this rapidly."
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"text": "It s why we slam this together as quickly as we could to make sure you were all exposed to it."
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"text": "Yeah, exactly."
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"text": "What the math works out to is you get up to $155 per employee as a payroll tax credit, which isn t a huge amount, but it s better than nothing."
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"text": "That s a great, great program for any business owners who are showing those losses."
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"text": "But as we ve hammered home a few times, you need to act fast."
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"text": "So they earmarked $500 billion through this out of the 2.2 trillion for businesses."
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"text": "And that sounds like a lot, but there s 32 million businesses in America."
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"text": "I talked about, you know, Humpty Dumpty and I are put together the same way."
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"text": "I just noticed on this quarantine case, Kevin, this is a bakery up in San Francisco."
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"text": "The revenues are growing 3% globally."
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"text": "There s a thousand new workers looking for people in the Chicago area stores and so forth for Domino s."
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"text": "So I want you to know there are businesses that are doing well."
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"text": "I think we had one more."
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"text": "Now he s taking on 1500 more square feet is doubling the size of this business in the middle of the coronavirus and position well to meet customers needs going forward."
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"text": "This is really about getting creative."
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"text": "It s really about anticipating how to meet people s needs in a new way."
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"text": "If you re not filled with fear, you can start focusing on solutions."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_03",
"text": "Let s do a couple of other Q&A about anything we ve talked about, but especially about the loans or anything related to it."
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"text": "Let s have my moderator take over and tell us who we ve got up there."
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"text": "Hey guys, Milo and Michelle here, Fort Myers, Florida."
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"text": "Good to see you guys."
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"text": "Well, one of our questions is, Tyler did a fantastic job of explaining a lot of the stuff, so you pretty much answered it, but I know that it s not on the net payroll, it s what we pay, not what the employee makes."
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"text": "But what I want to know is, is it also inclusive as that annual bonus?"
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"text": "Or if I do quarterly bonuses, so I calculate all potential pay for the rest of this year, divide that by 12 and then multiply that times two and a half."
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"text": "Yeah."
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"text": "So they would include bonuses in your previous 12 months in the maximum loan amount calculation."
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"text": "And then whatever you pay in the eight-week period,"
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"text": "is what s forgiven."
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"text": "Now they do cap it at $100,000 of wages annualized per employee."
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"text": "So if you take eight weeks divided by 52, the cap is $15,384 is what you can pay each employee in payroll costs during that period."
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"text": "So when you re factoring your bonus during the forgiveness period, as long as it doesn t go above that threshold, then you re okay."
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"text": "But the other piece that you want to look at during that threshold is retirement payments."
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"text": "And so you can actually make you, if you normally pay 3% match during the year and you do that in December at the end of the year, maybe you can do a forecast and what you think you re going to pay on that."
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"text": "And then you can match that during the eight week period and get that portion forgiven instead of waiting till December."
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"text": "And so that s one way that you can maximize that forgiveness period."
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"text": "I think bonuses, retirement, any of those things, you want to pay during that eight-week period, and then you re going to be benefiting your client, meaning your internal employee, but you ll also be able to be reimbursed, right, because it ll be part of the forgiveness."
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"text": "So that s the perfect time to load that up, and it s appropriate and legal and playing by the rules to do it."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "Yeah, excellent, excellent."
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"text": "Thank you for your question, great question."
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"text": "Let s go for another one."
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"text": "One more we have and that is on the paperwork, it only allows you, at least where we went to our bank, allows you to add up the payroll, but when do you show all your other overhead, all the other contributions?"
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"text": "So the two components are the max loan amount and then the forgiveness period."
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"text": "So they don t use the rent and utilities and other components in the maximum loan amount."
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"text": "It s only a factor of the payroll."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_05",
"text": "That s why they do it to a 2.5 month factor."
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"text": "And then the forgiveness is within eight weeks."
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"text": "So you get a little bit of buffer there."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_05",
"text": "So where the rent and utilities comes into play is in that forgiveness calculation."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_05",
"text": "Now, every bank requests different information."
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"text": "Some banks want all that up front."
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"text": "They want your rent and utilities while you re providing it."
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"text": "Others, sounds like they re just wanting the payroll so they can figure out what the loan is, let s disperse the loan, and then figure out the forgiveness period on the back end."
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"text": "And so that s where probably the difference is."
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"text": "Your bank is just asking for the maximum loan amount would be my guess."
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"text": "Exactly."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Thank you, Tyler."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_05",
"text": "Thank you."
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"text": "Next question."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_02",
"text": "Great."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_02",
"text": "Hey, Tony."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_02",
"text": "Hey, Tyler."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_02",
"text": "Thank you very much for that great information."
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"text": "My question to you is, does my business need to have dropped significantly in order to take the PPP program?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_05",
"text": "That is an excellent question."
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"chunk": "4",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_05",
"text": "And so the disaster loan, yes, you need to show damages."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_05",
"text": "What they re asking for the criteria on the payroll protection loan is you need to certify that due to current economic uncertainty,"
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"text": "you need this loan in order to continue operations."
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"chunk": "4",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_05",
"text": "Well, that s a very vague, broad term, and everyone s uncertain and has no clue what s gonna happen over the next six to nine months."
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"text": "So to me, I feel comfortable, even though business might be doing good right now in your business, depending on if you re making quarantine cakes, but who knows when that s gonna drop off and suddenly no one has any spending money."
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"text": "So I feel comfortable certifying that due to current economic uncertainty,"
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"text": "I need that money to make sure that I continue to pay my people."
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"text": "Otherwise, I m going to make a lot leaner hiring decisions and retention decisions than if I didn t have that payroll."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_05",
"text": "So that s how I would approach that."
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"text": "Well, the answer to the question, so to be crystal clear is no, you don t have to experience that."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_03",
"text": "If you re concerned, that s all that matters."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_03",
"text": "If you have a reason for concern, you don t have to explain the reason for concern."
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{
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"text": "We all have it."
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"text": "You don t have to worry about it."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_03",
"text": "That s not part of the criteria for qualifying for the loan."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_03",
"text": "They re willing to keep, they re wanting to get all of us employers to keep people out of unemployment, ideally for another 90 days while hopefully the economy goes back to work and hopefully people start to operate in a normal way so we can limit the number of people in unemployment."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_03",
"text": "That s the whole basis of this."
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{
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_03",
"text": "So they re pushing to get the money out."
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{
"chunk": "4",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_03",
"text": "Now, working with the right bank to speed it up, getting your application in immediately are the critical components here."
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{
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_03",
"text": "So you guys can do it on your own or somebody like Tyler can help you."
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{
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_05",
"text": "Thank you."
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{
"chunk": "4",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_05",
"text": "Yeah, thank you."
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{
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_03",
"text": "How are you?"
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{
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_04",
"text": "Good to see you Jeffrey."
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{
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_04",
"text": "You too, you too, you guys."
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{
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_04",
"text": "Hey, thanks for all this information."
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{
"chunk": "4",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_04",
"text": "Tony, thank you for setting us up for this winter and being in a position to help and to do other things for our employees and those around us."
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{
"chunk": "4",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_04",
"text": "So thank you so much for that."
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{
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_03",
"text": "You re welcome."
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{
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_04",
"text": "Um, quick question."
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"text": "Now I ve, I ve, uh, and I think you kind of answered a little bit of this Tyler."
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"text": "Um, you know, I went to my kind of regional, uh, bank and they were very efficient, very quick, but what are the other banks that people could go to that are, that you re finding an efficiency in terms of getting it through the process?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_05",
"text": "Yeah."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_05",
"text": "So, so yeah, good move going to the Ben, the bank that you had a relationship with."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_05",
"text": "if you re, but I ve had clients I ve been on the phone with in the last couple of days that say, Hey, my bank s not doing it."
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"text": "What, uh, where do, where do I go?"
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"text": "So I would say, look for someone who easy is either an SBA express lender, cause they re kind of being able to have a little bit more leeway to put things through faster, uh, or go to your community, try your community bank because, uh, they re there."
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"text": "Number one, they have a lot fewer to process."
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"text": "I saw one,"
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"text": "One major bank I think was Wells Fargo already had, they had 10 billion allocated for this, and they were at 97% of that in applications already just in the first week of it."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_05",
"text": "So these community banks have a little more flexibility just because they don t have as broad of a business client base."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_05",
"text": "And so look for an SBA Express lender who can help you with it, or a community bank is what I would say with that."
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{
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_04",
"text": "Thank you so much for it all."
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{
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_04",
"text": "Thank you."
},
{
"chunk": "4",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_03",
"text": "Let s do a few questions just off the Q&A side, just to speed it up."
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"text": "Let s take three or four of them."
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{
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_03",
"text": "Here, can I have my moderator, Poppy, and offer a few to us?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Hey, Tony and Tyler."
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{
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "How are you guys?"
},
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "This question comes from Justin Benton and many others."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "The question is, are 1099 employee payments included in payroll costs?"
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"text": "That has been a back and forth, back and forth on was the law written for it?"
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"text": "Is it not?"
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"text": "And I m fortunate that just yesterday, the Department of Treasury released a brand new FAQs on their website that says that 1099s are not included in payroll costs."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "So they re not included either in the maximum loan amount or the forgiveness period."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "So anyone who s an independent contractor would not be eligible in that payroll cost."
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{
"chunk": "5",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "However, they can go apply for this loan themselves."
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"chunk": "5",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "This is for keeping your employees on staff."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And then any vendors that you work really closely with, I would, you know, send them this information and encourage them to apply, uh, especially as they add more, more money on the backend of this, because the way that they calculate it for a 1099 independent contractor, it s not like, even if you don t have payroll, you can still apply for this as a 1099."
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"text": "And they calculate it based on your 2019 net income on your tax return."
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"text": "And the reason why is because the way that,"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "self-employment tax and social security works is if you re a 1099 sole proprietor, you re paying social security on the net income of your business."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And so they re counting that as part of wages for the purposes of this PPP loan."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "So no, it doesn t count if you re paying 1099s, but those vendors, if you want to help them stay afloat,"
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{
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "send them this information so that they know that they can access this capital too."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And they haven t been clear on how they re going to calculate the forgiveness."
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"text": "I have a feeling what they ll do is they ll ask for accounting records and bank statements to see what your net income was during that eight week period, if you re a truly a sole independent contractor, and then they ll forgive whatever that income is during that period."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "So that s been a big contention."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And now we finally got some clarity from the treasury department."
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"text": "Couple more questions, we ll do a finish up in five minutes."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_03",
"text": "This question comes from Dina Moench and many others."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_03",
"text": "What programs are best for the sole proprietor?"
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"text": "Yeah, so that element of the PPP, depending on your net income, it s gonna be not a huge loan amount, just because it s two and a half months of your net income capped at 100,000."
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"text": "is going for that disaster loan because you can get a income to debt service coverage ratio of 1.25, basically meaning your debt payments can be up to 80% of your net operating income."
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"text": "So you can get a pretty, and with that payment on 3.75% interest over 30 years, you can get a pretty sizable amount of capital using, with that disaster loan."
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"text": "So that is where I would go."
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"text": "And then I would make sure you re looking at the payroll tax credits, any net operating loss elements you had, and really doing proper tax planning to make sure that you minimize your taxes this year and try to access the other elements of it as well, of the bill as well."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "Great."
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"text": "Couple more."
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"text": "This question comes from Michael Gabor."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_03",
"text": "What if you are a new business and revenue has not ramped up yet?"
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"text": "So that is a tough one."
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"text": "So if you re a brand new business, meaning you went into opening on March 5th, I haven t really seen a lot of guidance on that."
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"text": "What they re looking for if you ve been in business for less than a year,"
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"text": "So they don t need a full 12 months."
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"text": "They re getting a little bit of break there on the January and February, but I don t know is how they re going to calculate the FTE equivalent."
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"text": "And then the same thing on the disaster loan, they re looking at not your annual net income, but just those last couple of months of net income."
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"text": "And so that s what they re trying to do for these businesses who, well, like the coffee shop client that I shared earlier, had just bought a second location at the end of January and then had to shut it down."
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"text": "OK."
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"text": "This question comes from Steve Kerekes."
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"text": "Do actual payroll costs include just the salary or all of the taxes businesses have to pay as well?"
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"text": "And somebody s asking, I think you ve answered it this way, but they re saying, so owners, you know, small owners with K-1s can apply for themselves, right?"
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"text": "And so when you pay yourself as an S corporation through W-2, that counts as wages during the forgiveness period and the loan maximization."
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"text": "One more question."
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"text": "This question comes from Jeff Muse and many others."
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"text": "Are there any incentives for landlords that own properties and have tenants not paying rent?"
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"text": "Yeah, so this is part of the program."
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"text": "putting those right up at the top of the pile because, and that s part of why the rent is included in the forgiveness."
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"text": "So that s why they re encouraging this on the forgiveness period."
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"text": "And then they re just looking at that, they re considering you a business if you re a landlord on the disaster loan piece."
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"text": "But I hope that s answered some of your questions."
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"text": "Of course, live by those rules."
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"text": "And then the purpose primarily here, or repost here, has been what is available and how do you take advantage of it to get you through the next 90 days, perhaps, to where the light might be, and then simultaneously be in the system at the top of the system as soon as you can."
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"text": "So if we do expand it, you can take advantage of that already."
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"text": "And I hope you found this to be valuable today."
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"text": "Tyler, thank you for taking the time with everybody."
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"text": "And let s start Tyler s contact info one last time, too, for people who might want to work with him."
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"text": "And say to all of you, stay strong, live with passion, and God bless."
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"text": "We ll see you soon."
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"text": "If you re interested in expert tools and turnkey advice to ensure your business gets the most benefits available, check out Tony and Tyler s Business Owner Stimulus Kit at www.rescuesmallbusiness.com."
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"text": "The Tony Robbins Podcast is directed by Tony Robbins and produced by the Tony Robbins team."
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"text": "Welcome to part two of a special edition podcast on coronavirus."
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"text": "In this episode, Tony, along with his friend, Dr. Peter Diamandis, the Harvard Medical School trained MD and executive founder of Singularity University, explore the present and future of COVID-19."
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"text": "If you haven t heard part one of this special series, be sure to give it a listen as Dr. Bob Hariri joins the conversation to provide additional context and clarification of COVID-19 numbers that we re seeing around the clock in the news."
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"text": "In this episode, part two, Tony and Peter speak with Mei-Mei Hu and Lou Ries, co-CEOs of United Biomedical, a company that s now offering an affordable and accurate diagnostic test for COVID-19."
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"text": "Their antibody test is different from others, as it can detect not only if you currently have the virus, but it also signals if you ve ever had the virus, which is crucial in determining the true rate of mortality associated with COVID-19, and whether people are immune and therefore able to stop isolating and go back to work."
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"text": "Lou and Maymay s team at COVAX is also working on a breakthrough alternative option to a traditional vaccine for coronavirus, and you ll hear them discuss it in the last half of this episode."
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"text": "This episode was recorded on Thursday, April 9th."
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"text": "Here s Tony."
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"text": "Hey everyone, it s Tony Robbins."
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"text": "Listen, this is part of our program on understanding what s happening with COVID-19, with coronavirus."
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"text": "The whole purpose of this program is to bring you some of the greatest experts in the world to share with you what s really going on versus maybe the hype or the fear that s out there."
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"text": "And most importantly, to talk to you about how we can get our handle around this, get people back to work, and what are the solutions short-term and perhaps long-term in terms of vaccines."
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"text": "In today s program, we re going to do it together along with my dear friend, Peter Diamandis, my partner."
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"text": "we can augment our immunity, how natural killer cells and stem cells derived from the placenta may be an incredible tool, not only for the COVID-19 pandemic, but for future ones to come."
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"text": "So check that out."
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"text": "And the second half of this program right now is for the other parts of what we should be thinking about."
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"text": "And of a new company, I m proud to be a board member, full disclosure of, called COVAX, which has taken all of the assets from United Biomedical that are around the coronavirus and put it into this U.S.-based company."
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"text": "If somebody owns a company, Maymay, if somebody owns a company, like, you know, I ve introduced some, you know, Salesforce and some people of that nature to you who are going to test or maybe Time Magazine, you know, they re investigating testing."
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"text": "How do they go about finding out how they can get this done?"
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"text": "What will it be known under the name?"
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"text": "Is that the fundamental way people can act on this?"
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"text": "Let s talk about the vaccine if we can then because this is really exciting."
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"text": "It s one thing to get the test and obviously majority of people are having mild to no symptoms at all."
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"text": "And traditional vaccines, as I understand it, you ve got to use a form of the virus itself."
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"text": "You guys have a different approach, and it s a platform you ve proven before."
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"text": "Tell us a little about the vaccine."
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"text": "What would make it superior?"
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"text": "So people have a reality check of the difference in price and why this is so valuable to get to a mass audience."
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"text": "What s the difference in pricing?"
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"text": "Can you clarify why is this safer?"
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"text": "And because of that, what s the timing on a vaccine like this from your perspective?"
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"text": "You might see in the papers a lot of people are basically investing in production capability now because they re afraid that"
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"text": "Number one, this platform that your sister company, Vaccinity, has created, COVAX is using that same platform."
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"text": "If you give 100 million Americans or billions of people around the world a vaccine, are you causing something"
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"text": "And we have companies like Moderna right now, which is a completely different approach to an RNA-based vaccine, which has never been done before."
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"text": "But you ve done this for hundreds, maybe thousands of patients in this platform already, and you had zero downside."
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"text": "Just make sure."
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"text": "So listen, I actually root for everyone in this."
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"text": "So if someone else s vaccine works, that s great."
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"text": "If you re testing in the summer, what s the reality in terms of when a vaccine might be made available under the accelerated FDA approach?"
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"text": "Yeah, so this is unprecedented times, Tony."
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"text": "You know, I think it s hard to talk about myself, but I think you just have to care, right?"
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"text": "Tell us the breakthroughs that brought her forward, just so we get a sense of the history before I wrap up."
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"text": "Cause it s, it sounds like it, uh, the apple doesn t fall far from the tree."
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"text": "A lot just, you know, literally going from we should test all of San Miguel County to making that happen to on the phone, you know, every other hour with a different governor and a different head of a nation and a different Fortune 50 CEO."
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"text": "And besides the implications of the diagnostics and the vaccine, I just want this to become inspiration for everybody watching about not giving up and not taking no and not thinking you can t make a difference because we all can."
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"text": "Thank you, everyone."
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"text": "I hope this has been helpful to you, inspiring to you, both on a business level, but most importantly, freeing you from the virus of fear that seems to consume so many, showing you that the solutions are here, the answers are coming."
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"text": "Special thanks to Mei-Mei Hu, Lou Reese, and Dr. Peter Diamandis."
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"text": "So, it s not so dangerous, but we ll get into that as well."
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"text": "So, it s a solution-oriented show, but we want to start by introducing Dr. Bob Howrey, MD, PhD,"
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"text": "Bob is an incredible neurosurgeon."
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"text": "He s a serial entrepreneur in two technology sectors and biomedicine and aerospace both."
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"text": "He s truly a renaissance man."
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"text": "And he s our dear friend and partner."
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"text": "But I got a hold of Bob originally through Peter and I when I tore my rotator cuffs and kind of started on this journey of understanding cellular therapy because they were torn so badly during this snowboarding accident."
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"text": "Bob, welcome to the program."
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"text": "Listen, let s start with context."
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"text": "I mean, you re up there in New York."
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"text": "You see on the news every night there s a red frame or everything."
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"text": "More people dying, more people diagnosed."
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"text": "You and I both know diagnosed doesn t mean a whole lot."
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"text": "It s who gets hospitalized."
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"text": "They put these huge numbers up."
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"text": "And no one s trying to do anything wrong."
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"text": "They re trying to inform people."
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"text": "And unfortunately, using fear as the primary motivator,"
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"text": "Can you give us a little context about what s really happening in the trenches, where we stand, and what the numbers were originally based on, that all these formulas that made us shut down the world economy are from Wuhan versus what we re finding now?"
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"text": "So listen, we re living through an unprecedented event in global health."
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"text": "Viruses come and go all the time."
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"text": "Pandemics happen with a great deal of frequency."
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"text": "What s unique about this particular pandemic is the nature of the virus itself is somewhat different than what we are normally used to."
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"text": "And the somewhat nefarious origins of the virus have left people to be both"
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"text": "on a hyper-vigilant, hyper-alert state, but also willing to react very aggressively to any negative news they hear."
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"text": "Now, the bottom line is the early"
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"text": "evaluation and reports on the number of people who were infected and who had bad results from the infection was very alarming."
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"text": "If you go back six to eight weeks ago, the number of people that were shown to have the virus and were getting really sick"
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"text": "was alarming because this was somewhat unusual for conventional flu, at least the way conventional flu is reported."
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"text": "Now, the fact is that we really don t fully understand when this virus first made landfall here in the United States."
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"text": "There are some who speculate that it may have come here as early as last fall."
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"text": "A virus like this has characteristics that dictate its rate of spray."
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"text": "Some of those characteristics are how long can somebody be carrying it and infected with it where they don t have symptoms, yet they can still infect others."
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"text": "If that period is long, then one person can interact with many, many more people and potentially be a source of infection for those people."
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"text": "Flu, influenza, the incubation period is relatively short, which means if you got it, within a few days, a day or two, you re starting to have symptoms."
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"text": "You isolate yourself naturally."
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"text": "from the crowd."
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"text": "You re not infecting that many people, but if you can carry it for 7 to 10 to 14 days, relatively asymptomatic, you may infect hundreds of people."
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"text": "And therefore, the exponent, how many people wind up ultimately getting exposed, is that much higher."
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"text": "That s number one."
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"text": "They may in fact be far more insidious."
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"text": "They may in fact involve the way oxygen gets across the lung into the blood and even how the oxygen is carried in the bloodstream."
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"text": "20 wind up staying in the hospital, and of that 20, four to six of those get sick enough they have to be put in the ICU."
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"text": "So the numbers are not that alarming, but remember, when the news first carried the possibilities that this pandemic could affect millions and millions of patients, and when the lethality rate was originally estimated to be as high as 5%, you know everyone panicked."
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"text": "That s right."
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"text": "alone every year, and us having 35 to 80,000 deaths."
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"text": "Those seem normal."
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"text": "This year,"
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"text": "The CDC says we have 39 million people infected with the flu."
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"text": "There have been 29,000 deaths here in the United States in this exact time period."
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"text": "And we ve had 200,000 hospital visits, but none of that gets reported because what s happening is what s new about this."
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"text": "We had zero cases and then we found the virus and now we started testing for whatever."
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"text": "And as you know, Bob, wherever we test, we find more and more of it."
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"text": "but it s changing the morbidity or the death rate."
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"text": "That s what Dr. Fauci and everyone else did with the best intent of protecting us and going three and a half, four and a half, five percent death rate versus flu, which might be zero point one, two or three or four, less than a half a percent."
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"text": "And they decided to take giant action."
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"text": "Because it was his best estimate, all these formulas, we all know bad data in, bad data out, right?"
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"text": "Algorithms don t, they re only as good as what you put in."
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"text": "These three and a half, four and a half percent morbidity rates they re talking about being far greater than the flu."
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"text": "He s now correcting that a week ago."
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"text": "This is New England Journal of Medicine, as you well know, one of the most respected journals in the United States."
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"text": "Let s read it together."
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"text": "March 26th."
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"text": "If one assumes that the number of asymptomatic, meaning no symptoms, or minimally symptomatic cases is several times as high as the number of recorded cases, the case fidelity rate may be considerably less than 1%."
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"text": "That suggests that the overall clinical consequence of COVID-19 may also be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza, which means flu, versus SARS or MERS, which were at nine, 10, and 36%."
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"text": "Yet, unfortunately, on the news, he committed years, you know, weeks ago, 200,000 to 2 million people were gonna die."
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"text": "And so he said it again, 200,000 probably, and they asked him in the news, you know, and reporters, you said 2 million."
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"text": "He goes, that s still possible."
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"text": "The numbers don t show enough to be true right now."
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"text": "And yet people are scared and we re shutting down our economy on it."
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"text": "So I d love your comments on these, because these are facts."
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"text": "They re not suggestions of some right-wing conspiracy."
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"text": "This is not saying there s conspiracy."
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"text": "It s just saying people are trying to protect and maybe they ve overreacted to something because it s so new."
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"text": "What are your comments on this?"
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"text": "So, you know, you hit on a lot of important points."
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"text": "Let s go over a couple of them."
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"text": "First of all, what has completely alarmed everyone"
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"text": "is that early prediction that the death rate could be as high as 5%."
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"text": "Remember, 5% means one in 20 people die."
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"text": "It means that more than that actually gets sick, but one in 20 actually die."
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"text": "That means lots of people you know will die, right?"
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"text": "you know, point one, New York numbers, it should be 148,000 people."
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"text": "And obviously it s not, but, but influenza deaths, 0.1%, that s one in a thousand."
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"text": "So, so that 5% lethality rate that was originally quoted was the basis for everyone s"
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"text": "reflexive and panicked response to this crisis."
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"text": "Now, you mentioned something else which is very important."
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"text": "The data is being derived from numbers based upon certain test results, many of which are not reflective of the biology."
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"text": "And let me explain that."
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"text": "The first test available was a test for the presence of the virus, which is looking for the nucleic acids of the coronavirus itself."
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"text": "It s not a comfortable thing, but they do it."
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"text": "And then they measure whether or not you have the nucleic acids from this virus."
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"text": "That says you have what s called colonization by the virus."
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"text": "That doesn t equate to infection by the virus."
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"text": "Those are two different things."
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"text": "The only way to determine whether you re really infected is to identify the virus inside you, and you re sick."
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"text": "So, if all you re going to do is measure only the people who are symptomatic, and if they re symptomatic, detect virus on them, and that is your case number, that becomes the denominator from which you calculate death rate."
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"text": "So you take the number of people who died over the cases that you discovered, and that s where they were coming up with this 3%, 4%, 5% death rate."
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"text": "That s not an accurate reflection, and it s not the way we calculate the death rate for flu, okay?"
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"text": "Just so you know, the CDC, you can go to the CDC website."
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"text": "The CDC calculates the death rate for flu as the number of people who die divided by the estimated number of cases."
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"text": "These are not documented, demonstrated patients who have influenza."
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"text": "It s what the government estimates it to be."
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"text": "I just sent you two graphs."
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"text": "If you look at the first graph, it is the death rate here in the United States, which was starting to drop."
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"text": "The minute it started to drop, it pumped back up."
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"text": "The reason it pumped back up is they started to attribute anyone who died in the hospital as from COVID."
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"text": "You know, that s that s what s called statistical reassignment."
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"text": "Okay, it s a method that s used by people to get whatever they want So if you re going to take someone who got to the hospital and died of a heart attack and then post-mortem Swab his nose and find coronavirus and say hey, he died of covid."
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"text": "That s not that s not accurate, right?"
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"text": "You know mark twain said there s three kind of lies lies damn lies and statistics"
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"text": "One second here, guys, just to add some context here as well."
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"text": "The important thing for folks to realize is this, again, a pandemic, a viral pandemic, but this is also a pandemic of fear."
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"text": "And it s created by misinformation and by people trying to actually do good, right?"
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"text": "Because we don t, we aren t panicking when someone dies from influenza, but let me give some other numbers."
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"text": "We talk about the death rates going on from COVID-19 and we re seeing numbers like"
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"text": "Even, and I ll just say it, I think of this almost as a practice pandemic, in that this is not the first pandemic."
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"text": "And what this practice pandemic has done, and I m going to call that not to diminish the massive financial hardship this has had, but it s uncovered all of the breakpoints in our financial system, our governance system, and our healthcare system, that hopefully, if nothing else, we learn how to repair those and not have that happen again."
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"text": "Because the other thing we found is there s an article from 2014 and the title is Where Did SARS Go?"
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"text": "So can you address that, Bob?"
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"text": "Because you re in New York in the hospitals, and you re sharing with me what you ve seen."
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"text": "So, you know, Professor Levitt is a brilliant scientist in his own right, but he s also very practical and reasonable."
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"text": "So a thousand get it get carry it a hundred wind up Being infected with it of that hundred eighty percent immune system is good enough to send them home of the of the twenty that are left over"
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"text": "If any of you guys follow my Twitter, you may have noticed I said a few days ago that when I look at the data, these patients actually look more like they re at altitude."
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"text": "Now, that s interesting because it changes a little bit of the strategy, the ventilator strategy, but it may also mean that the virus is doing something very unconventional, okay, which means that it may be damaging lung tissue irreversibly, and this may in fact be the reason why many people who survive this still have longstanding cardiac and pulmonary problems."
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"text": "I haven t seen your blog about this, but I ve also read about the oxygen thing, and there s several doctors saying the pressure that s being done in these hospitals, they need just the oxygen, not just the pressure, that the pressure actually may be doing more damage."
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"text": "You re so right, Tony."
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"text": "And it suggests that any stem cell product capable of modulating the immune response and stimulating regeneration is probably really going to be very, very good."
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"text": "I think the great news about it is it brings people s attention to studying the immune system because that s the real factor."
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"text": "I was reading in Italy, 79% of the patients that died in Italy over the age of 90"
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"text": "So you ve got the oldest population in the world other than Japan, and you have this mass rush that s been generated by the media and fear."
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"text": "And you know, it s sort of like, we ve all been through it, right?"
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"text": "It comes and sweeps by, everybody s fine, and what you ve done is you ve bruised the system for the foreseeable weeks ahead."
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"text": "Now, in this case, listen, I would never want to be in Dr. Fauci s shoes, right?"
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"text": "You have this thrown on your shoulders, and his greatest fear is, if I under-inform people, are people going to die unnecessarily?"
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"text": "So Bob, just so people have context, let s shift to something that s a bit more uplifting."
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"text": "defense capabilities in protecting the developing fetus from things like cancer or infectious diseases."
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"text": "Would you make a note?"
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"text": "For everyone to know, what Bob told me has blew my mind."
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"text": "There is no situation, correct me if I m wrong, Bob, where a mother with cancer is transferred to her baby."
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"text": "That s how powerful the placenta is."
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"text": "Is that correct?"
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"text": "It s so rare that it becomes an isolated report."
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"text": "The placenta defends the fetus from anything which would cause its demise."
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"text": "If you think about it, human beings devote nine months of reproductive energy to one offspring."
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"text": "Evolution has selected for capabilities that protect that offspring at all costs."
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"text": "Because back when humans were living 25, 30 years, you didn t get a lot of shots at producing babies to replace yourself."
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"text": "And so that remarkable ability is conserved and transferable in the cellular products."
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"text": "Among those unique properties, this ability for part of the immune system of the placenta and the newborn to actually defend against the transmission of cancer and infectious diseases was something we were fascinated by."
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"text": "We studied and we identified a unique natural killer cell."
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"text": "A natural killer cell is a specialized part of the immune system that is pre-programmed, if you will, to destroy potentially threatening"
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"text": "Turns out that these placental natural killer cells target antigens, molecules that get expressed on the surface of cancer cells and virally infected cells."
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"text": "in the midst of our clinical trials in cancer, the COVID-19 crisis erupted."
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"text": "And although we always thought of the possibilities of taking these NK cells into infectious diseases, we saw an urgency to develop them for that purpose."
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"text": "We did the underlying scientific work,"
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"text": "filed an investigational new drug application with the FDA, have been granted permission to test this in patients, and we re out treating patients as we speak, Tony, with COVID-19 with these placental NK cells."
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"text": "So we re very excited about that."
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"text": "What does treatment mean?"
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"text": "What happens to a patient and what level is this?"
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"text": "You re treating patients through an intravenous transfusion of these natural killer cells to basically augment the natural killer cells they have in their current bloodstream."
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"text": "How sick are the patients you re likely to treat?"
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"text": "And then can you speak to the fact that this will be a therapy that can be on standby"
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"text": "any place on the planet at any time it s needed."
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"text": "And just along with that, Bob, if I can add on there, let people know that in China, most people don t know the people that they re the most sick, those people in their 80s and 90s."
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"text": "This is one of the only treatments, am I correct, that was successful in turning those people and getting them back out of the hospital?"
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"text": "Maybe a little background on that and then tell us how you re treating them now."
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"text": "So there are very promising reports out of"
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"text": "China in patients with serious COVID-19, including patients who are on ventilators, that cell therapy has worked."
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"text": "Let me preface things by saying this."
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"text": "Cellular therapy as a way to augment or support or boost the immune response is a revolution in the treatment of cancer, okay?"
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"text": "We now know we can take immune cells, engineer them to turn up some of their capabilities to target tumors, and they re very, very effective at supporting a patient s response against that particular malignancy."
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"text": "I believe the same will apply in treating infectious diseases."
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"text": "And as Peter pointed out, what we re really doing here is we re boosting and supporting a patient s dysfunctional or deficient immune response by giving them reinforcements in the form of these NK cells from donor placentas that are produced in our manufacturing facility."
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"text": "The nice thing about this is it s administered via simple intravenous infusion."
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"text": "Putting an IV in can be done in an emergency room."
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"text": "It can be done in an infusion clinic."
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"text": "It can be done literally in a doctor s office."
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"text": "And the beauty is these cells boost."
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"text": "They supplement your own body s immune response to a disease, which makes it a very convenient and clinically deployable methodology that fits into pretty much any health care system."
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"text": "Now, the nice thing about getting these cells out of the postpartum placenta, this waste material,"
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"text": "is it s a it s an approach that s both scalable and ultimately will have economics that are not going to be destructive to the health care system."
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"text": "Okay explain explain a little bit why Bob in terms of the amount you can utilize these how you can do this people be saying how many placentas are being donated to make this happen can you explain just for a second before you go on so they know why it s really scalable and why the cost can be a lot less than a lot of the treatments certainly a lot less than traditional cancer treatments."
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"text": "So cellularity has pioneered the ability to, um, what we call culture, expand and mass produce cells from the placenta, which means that from one placental donor, we can produce many doses of cells for different therapeutic purposes."
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"text": "Keep in mind in the world today, 130 million placentas, 130 million placentas are disposed of every year."
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"text": "They re, they re waste material."
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"text": "And since you can produce multiple doses from one placenta, you know, we don t see that as being a rate limiter to deliver therapies for these sorts of diseases."
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"text": "And because cellularity, like other companies in cellular medicine, recognize that at the dawn of our industry,"
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"text": "We re getting better and better and better at creating efficiencies and quality systems so that these cells can be produced with very attractive economics."
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"text": "Bob, let me inject one thing that s very important."
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"text": "I think if anybody who s listening, if you re pregnant or you know someone who is pregnant,"
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"text": "Right now, one of the things I think is almost a moral and ethical obligation is for you to bank your placenta."
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"text": "We ve heard about cord blood banking, where you take umbilical cord blood and it s frozen."
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"text": "And if you ever should have a hemopoietic cancer, leukemia or something, that child"
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"text": "you can use radiation to wipe out their existing bone marrow and replenish it from their original bone marrow."
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"text": "But even better than that is the ability to keep the placental cells, both in this case, the stem cells, which are pluripotent, not at this moment yet, but in the near future, we re going to be able to regrow"
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"text": "So I have two nine-year-old boys."
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"text": "Nine years ago, I banked the cells from their placentas."
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"text": "The company is a division of Cellularity."
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"text": "And full disclosure, I m a co-founder, vice chairman of Cellularity."
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"text": "And Tony is an investor in the company."
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"text": "Just make sure everybody knows that."
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"text": "But it s called Life Bank USA."
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"text": "And it s a process that is simple and easy."
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"text": "And I just think it s something that most people don t know about."
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"text": "And if they did, they d bank their placental cells."
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"text": "What we re really talking about is how to use a natural material created by God, the universe, whatever you want to call it, to stimulate the immune system to get back to its healthy form again."
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"text": "And so, as we said earlier, you ve got cancer cells in your body right now, but you don t have cancer because your immune system is working well."
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"text": "You know, you ve got streptococcus germs in the back of your throat, you don t have strep throat."
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"text": "You gotta have COVID-19 in really tiny amounts like we re seeing and not seeing it in your immune system is fine."
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"text": "It s also why, even though today we re seeing cancers and diseases like this in young people as well, the majority, Bob, you can approach or mention about this, are happening older."
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"text": "These are age-old diseases."
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"text": "Now, we re doing things that are suppressing immune systems, even children today."
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"text": "But as you age, the immune system starts to get down."
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"text": "So we re sending the information in not just to deal with a COVID-19 or to deal with a cancer, but also some people are doing it as a preparation for their nervous system to stay at its peak before any of these challenges happen."
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"text": "True, Bob?"
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"text": "So the reality is that no placenta should go to waste."
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"text": "We have the ability to process and derive cells from the placenta and mass produce them."
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"text": "And the beauty is that cells can be cryopreserved, put in liquid nitrogen, and they can be available decades later."
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"text": "and they can still have value many decades later."
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"text": "I think it s one of the great resources and the opportunity to collect and process and bank is a great thing."
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"text": "More importantly is every placenta, even if it s donated, can be the source of material to produce life-saving products like the ones we re talking about."
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"text": "But to get back to the really the kind of the heart of what we re talking about today,"
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"text": "Cellular immunotherapy as a way to treat and defeat viral infections"
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"text": "Hopefully, COVID-19 is a self-limited problem, and we ll be beyond this very shortly."
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"text": "But as Peter pointed out, if this is a practice pandemic, we need to have tools available instantly if this ever rears its ugly head again."
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"text": "and it may rear its ugly head as a reappearance of the same virus, as the appearance of a mutated version of the virus, or a brand new novel virus that may have worse characteristics than this one."
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"text": "That being said, cellular immunotherapy, because"
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"text": "We have to do the work to prove it, but it s extremely promising, and we believe it s very much worthy of the work that s going on right now to create unequivocal data in support of it."
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"text": "Maybe the silver lining in all of this is to see that the FDA and everyone is having to open up to new things, and it may speed up the capacity for cellular therapy to be really maximized, measured, and utilized, so we don t just prevent what happens in the future, but we continue to make people healthier along the way on the normal path of life."
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"text": "And Tony, I think the three of us recognize that there s always a solution to a problem."
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"text": "And rather than throw your hands up and surrender because the problem appears to be beyond our current capabilities, I believe we have to enlist the ingenuity and innovativeness and inventiveness of this great country to solve the problem."
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"text": "We re already seeing"
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"text": "that great innovations are putting a dent in this disease."
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"text": "Let me bring one thing up."
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"text": "Hydroxychloroquine, okay?"
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"text": "I mean, let s face it, okay?"
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"text": "A smart doctor who s very, very skilled in treating infectious diseases just was a good observer."
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"text": "You know, he recognized that this particular drug, which is a generic drug, it costs virtually nothing."
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"text": "It s been around for 50, 60 years."
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"text": "It s been used in tens of millions of people."
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"text": "It just turns out that it was effective in his observation at reducing the time these patients were sick and getting them off ventilators."
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"text": "So he brought it up and he combined it with an antibiotic and the results appeared to be even better."
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"text": "Now, first and foremost,"
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"text": "That single observation at the early part of this crisis should have been celebrated, okay?"
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"text": "And it should not have been dismissed as, well, there s no double-blinded, placebo-controlled studies"
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"text": "that prove that it works."
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"text": "Listen, here s the bottom line, okay?"
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"text": "That observation by itself could have been the source of a cooperative effort to tease out what was really at play here."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_02",
"text": "So let me give you a couple of add-ons behind all this, all right?"
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"text": "It turns out that go look at an international map of the incidence of COVID-19."
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"text": "It s very striking that in certain zones of the world, there s a very, very horrifically low incidence of the disease."
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"text": "It just turns out that those are the malaria prone countries."
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"text": "And it just turns out that many people in those countries are on these medications chronically."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_02",
"text": "Okay, that was a little data chunk, a little factoid that should have been stored away."
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"text": "The other factoid was that people who have lupus, who get treated with hydroxychloroquine,"
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"text": "appeared not to be getting the disease."
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"text": "Now, you see, in the absence of the time and the resources to do a controlled, well-done, double-blinded study, in the absence of the time to do it, and this is an emergency, this isn t the regular world, you would have thought that people would have embraced this and would have worked together as a global community to put the data pieces together"
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"text": "to support use."
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"text": "Now, by the way, by the way, okay, although the drug wasn t approved for the treatment of COVID-19, and by the way, there wasn t any drug approved for COVID-19 because nobody knew what COVID-19 was, but the regulatory communities, they regulate approval of drugs."
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"text": "They don t regulate the prescribing behavior of doctors."
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"text": "They provide recommendations and guidelines and so on, but"
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"text": "you know, doctors didn t go to medical school and years and years of training and study pharmacology and study physiology and biochemistry."
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"text": "So they all they have to do is read a recipe and deliver on that recipe."
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"text": "They re there to make medical judgments."
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"text": "So when doctors started making medical judgments to use this, and they were coming away saying, you know what, I believe in, I ve listened to no, no less than a hundred doctors"
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"text": "who put this to use and will swear to it that it worked."
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"text": "Now, what I worry about is by being less than inquisitive, supportive, and celebrating that early observation, did we dissuade people from using something that might have saved lives?"
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"text": "Did we dissuade people from potentially finding a way to use it prophylactically?"
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"text": "Okay."
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"text": "You know, hydroxychloroquine in very low dose prophylactically appears to protect the people in these, in these regions where malaria is prevalent."
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"text": "And by the way, the doctors and healthcare workers on the front line, they really needed someone to find something that gave them an extra margin of protection."
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"text": "So listen, I don t want to speculate as to what the underlying reason for that was, but I do think it was a disservice."
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"text": "And I do think that, you know, listen,"
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"text": "I think our government has done a really, really remarkable job in all ways."
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"text": "But the fact that one person s opinion, because the public doesn t agree with the general principles or policies of the individual,"
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"text": "they shouldn t be dismissive of something that could have been so impactful in a disease like this."
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"text": "That s how I feel."
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"text": "Let me add something onto that because it s, it s not just the hydroxychloroquine."
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"text": "Uh, there s something going on that I think is important to note."
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"text": "And again, for those of you looking for hope and optimism and all of this, let s take, let s take some hope and optimism from the following fact for the human race."
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"text": "There has never been ever in recorded history,"
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"text": "Take care, everybody."
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"text": "See you soon."
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"text": "Special thanks to Dr. Bob Hariri and Dr. Peter Diamandis."
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"text": "The world is changing rapidly."
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"text": "With so much out of our control, focus on what you can control, your growth."
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"text": "Tony Robbins is in the business of breakthroughs, and they can come at any time, anywhere, even during difficult times."
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"text": "No matter where you are in the world, no matter how much time you have or don t have, you can still work on yourself."
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"text": "And now is the time."
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"text": "Go to TonyRobbins.com slash growth resources for content apps and other resources to maintain your focus and sharpen your edge at home."
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"text": "That s TonyRobbins.com slash growth resources."
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"text": "To say that we are living in unique times is a massive understatement."
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"text": "While we ve seen tremendous change over the past 50 years, the level of fear and uncertainty we re currently witnessing is unprecedented."
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"text": "And unlike other times in history when our world has experienced tragedy or massive uncertainty, this is the first time in history where social media has fueled the spread of headlines that are designed to scare us."
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"text": "The overabundance of information online and in the news, some accurate, some not,"
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"text": "has allowed information to spread and flourish at higher speeds, creating an environment of heightened uncertainty that has fueled anxiety and fear."
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"text": "In these times, we need to remember to think critically for ourselves."
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"text": "If we don t, we re letting someone else dictate our focus."
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"text": "As Tony likes to quote his mentor, Jim Rohn, we need to stand guard at the door of our own minds."
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"text": "Whatever information you re feeding your mind on a daily basis and you focus upon consistently, you re going to experience as being what life is really about."
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"text": "And if we don t discipline our fears and control our focus, the world will gladly do it for us."
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"text": "It s your choice what to focus on."
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"text": "In today s episode, we re bringing you exclusive content from Tony, recorded years ago, that s part of his Power Talk series."
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"text": "And while this was recorded some time ago, his message is timeless and extremely relevant in times like these."
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"text": "Here s Tony."
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"text": "You know, I ve passionately pursued profound knowledge, those specific ideas, strategies, beliefs, and distinctions that empower us, once we really understand them, to immediately increase the quality of our lives."
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"text": "And in following this path, I ve had the privilege to meet, to interview, and many times become very good friends with some of the most successful people in our culture."
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"text": "From legends like international money manager John Templeton,"
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"text": "to some of the psychological and physiological masters."
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"text": "Those people like Norman Cousins, Dr. Deepak Chopra, Dr. Bernie Siegel, some of the emotional coaches that I ve met along the way."
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"text": "People like Dr. Leo Biscaglia or Captain Jerry Coffey, the man who spent seven years in solitary confinement in Vietnam and how he managed himself and turned himself around."
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"text": "Or whether it be the masters of business or movies or music."
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"text": "People like a Peter Guber."
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"text": "These people never cease to amaze me with their ability"
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"text": "take a vision and make it real in spite of a lack of support from virtually everybody around them."
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"text": "No one jumped to support Bernie Siegel when he started talking about what human emotions could do to change the immune system, or Norman Cousins for that matter."
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"text": "I never ceased to be amazed how these individuals had the ability to hang on to their vision and continue to maintain their certainty in spite of an environment that doesn t support them."
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"text": "Why do they do this?"
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"text": "Because they have quality information and they trust their instincts."
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"text": "And you know, in all my visits with these powerful men and women, I ve constantly asked myself, what are the common denominators of their success?"
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"text": "And while there are many things I could share with you that I ve noticed, and I hope that you ve noticed along the way, I think one stands clear above all the rest."
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"text": "These men and women all decided what they wanted their lives to be about."
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"text": "They created a vision and they never let the environment, other people s beliefs, or the limits of what had been done in the past shape their decisions."
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"text": "In fact, if there s one clear avenue to lasting impact, it s to ignore conventional wisdom"
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"text": "And know that as one Fortune 500 executive said, if it can be described, it can be done."
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"text": "Yet, you know something, if you read a daily newspaper right now or you watch a television news show, you could easily be convinced by all the negative information and dispiriting stories that the philosophies that made these men and women successful were fads of a time that s really past."
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"text": "That today, such an approach would fall short."
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"text": "It d be easy to buy into the philosophy and actually fall into the trap of feeling certain that the good times have really passed and the future is indeed bleak."
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"text": "Why would people begin to believe this?"
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"text": "Because hey, our experience of reality can be depicted in a simple formula I wrote down the other day in my journal."
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"text": "I times F equals PR."
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"text": "Information times your focus equals your personal reality."
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"text": "Whatever information you re feeding your mind on a daily basis and you focus upon consistently, you re going to experience as being what life is really about."
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"text": "Think about the frame of reference that that creates for people in our society who are getting most of their information directly from a medium, which is not designing the best way to condition your mind to produce quality results."
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"text": "And the challenge is that the average American now watches television seven hours a day."
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"text": "That is the national average."
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"text": "Think of the quality of information that they re trying to build a quality life out of."
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"text": "We ve all heard the term, we ve heard it a million times, garbage in, garbage out."
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"text": "And by the way, if they re not sitting there in front of the television set, they get to read the newspaper."
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"text": "And you know what?"
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"text": "Papers have to generalize."
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"text": "They have to simplify."
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"text": "In order to take something complex and make it understandable in a small amount of space, it s got to be generalized."
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"text": "It s got to be simplified."
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"text": "Plus, we have to remember that news has to sell."
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"text": "It is a business in this country."
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"text": "And as a result, what sells more?"
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"text": "Certainly pain-oriented news sells more because it s a necessity for us to know more about it."
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"text": "I was talking to economist Paul Pilser, the author of Unlimited Wealth, and Paul and I were chatting."
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"text": "I said, why is it that we have this unbelievably insane negative focus?"
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"text": "And he said, well, there s a lot of possibilities."
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"text": "And we both talked about how moods in our country and around the world go through cycles like seasons."
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"text": "But he said, you know, the other thing, Tony, is you got to realize that bad news sells."
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"text": "I said, well, I ve heard people say that before, but how do you explain that to people?"
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"text": "I mean, you know, I have a tough time with it."
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"text": "He said, well, the reality is simple."
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"text": "If you and I are walking down the street here and we look at a newspaper and at the top of it, it says, this weekend s beautiful and sunny."
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"text": "We look at each other and smile and keep walking."
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"text": "Say, oh, that s great."
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"text": "If we walk by and we see big storm coming, suddenly, guess what?"
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"text": "We stop to read and buy the newspaper so we can understand more."
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"text": "And it ties into something that you and I obviously understand, and that is that we ll do more as human beings to avoid pain than we ll ever do to gain pleasure."
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"text": "And so inherently, news organizations are not bad or wrong, they re only feeding the public what the public responds to."
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"text": "It s our own challenge."
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"text": "But the point of the matter is, if we don t consciously create a plan on how to feed our mind with information that can help us to make intelligent choices to increase the quality of our lives,"
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"text": "then we only have ourselves to blame."
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"text": "And the challenge, though, is it s so easy to get seduced because everywhere you turn these days, somebody s got a bleaker picture to paint for you about what our future is going to be."
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"text": "But you know what?"
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"text": "You ve got to remember that naysaying is not new."
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"text": "As long as there have been people with visions, there have been dozens lined up to stifle them."
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"text": "I don t care if it s somebody as far back as a Columbus or a Copernicus."
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"text": "And by the way, some of them just didn t want to stifle them."
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"text": "They wanted to kill them."
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"text": "If they disagreed with their viewpoints and they felt strong enough about it, they were physically attacked."
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"text": "Or some people just ridiculed."
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"text": "Somebody like Walt Disney."
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"text": "Here s a guy who was told by virtually every person he spoke to that his idea was absolutely ridiculous, that no one would go for it."
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"text": "In fact, he was turned down by more than 302 bankers before he finally got someone to help him fund his vision."
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"text": "Stop for a second and just imagine the loss."
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"text": "that millions of children and for that matter adults would have around the world if Disney had been a quote reasonable man and accepted other people s limiting views of his vision."
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"text": "You know Peter Guber is one of the people I respect most in the world and you know what he told me a long time ago about when he was first making the movie Rain Man."
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"text": "He was told that you know no movie about some guy and his brother traveling across the country in a car is ever gonna make it."
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"text": "And Peter said, absolutely not."
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"text": "This is a movie about a relationship."
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"text": "And you know what?"
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"text": "See, those who succeed are those who trust their instincts."
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"text": "You know, often the people that are bent on convincing you that you can t live your dream, they re really well-meaning."
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"text": "They don t want to see you get your hopes up only to see them dashed."
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"text": "After all, they re basing their views on reality, right?"
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"text": "The challenge is that a person s reality is completely controlled by the information that you have available to you and that you focus upon."
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"text": "Yet those people who succeed in our society are those rare individuals who don t merely swallow the information that s fed to them, but instead they pursue quality information that will nourish their lives."
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"text": "See, when millions of people learned that Hong Kong would soon revert to Chinese rule, the majority of people began to focus on their potential for loss and what they do."
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"text": "They began to flee, and they took all their capital with them."
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"text": "By contrast, John Templeton had the same information, except he decided to focus instead on what was the potential for profit."
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"text": "And you know what he did?"
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"text": "He bought stocks from all the fleeing masses for pennies of their true value."
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"text": "What everyone else perceived to be a bad time, he perceived to be a phenomenally good time."
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"text": "It was a time of tremendous opportunity."
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"text": "When all of a sudden people stopped fleeing and they began to think, well, maybe this is going to work out OK, and they started buying stocks again, sure enough, the emotional pendulum flew back."
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"text": "All of a sudden, people became extremely optimistic again, and John and his clients were rewarded for their immensely profitable decisions."
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"text": "They didn t go with the flow."
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"text": "In fact, in Chinese, you may know, the word crisis is composed of two characters."
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"text": "One of those represents danger, and the other one represents opportunity."
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"text": "So there are two paths, that of following the crowd, which clearly leads to destruction, pain, frustration."
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"text": "Standard education clearly gets the standard results."
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"text": "Thinking like the masses is a great way to make sure you never live your dream."
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"text": "And those who have the ability to go against the crowd, go against the general flow, are the people we often see as the geniuses."
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"text": "Again, whether it s the Columbus or the Copernicus or the Templetons or the Goobers, these are people that go completely against what others have thought and that s why they ve succeeded."
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"text": "Success is found in that hidden area that most people won t question, they won t look at."
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"text": "And the only way to change the quality of our lives then is to be willing to put ourselves out there and do something different."
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"text": "But why is this so difficult for us?"
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"text": "See, some people are always talking about how they re doing things different, but they re not really doing things different."
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"text": "They re doing things like all their friends who are trying to do things different."
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"text": "And one of the challenges and one of the reasons is we live in a society with so much uncertainty right now."
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"text": "It s increasing every day because, again, what s the information that s being fed to everyone?"
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"text": "What are they constantly focusing on?"
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"text": "Things that make them uncertain."
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"text": "And there is a psychological principle that unless you understand it, you will be controlled by it."
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"text": "And that principle of human influence is known as social proof."
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"text": "Social proof is the single most potent way of influencing human behavior cross-culturally."
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"text": "I don t care if you re talking about in China, if you re talking about somebody who s living in the rainforest, or if you re talking to somebody living in LA, they all are influenced by social proof."
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"text": "I ve said this again and again because repetition s the mother of skill."
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"text": "Tony explains the core four in his New York Times bestselling book, Unshakeable."
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"text": "Unshakeable is a step-by-step playbook that can transform your financial life, no matter your salary, stage of life, or level of wealth, and outlines how to put together a simple, actionable financial plan."
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"text": "But what if it s hard to make ends meet on a daily basis?"
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"text": "What if you re struggling to pay off debt, pay your rent, or save money for the future?"
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"text": "We talked to Liz Weston, a personal finance columnist for NerdWallet, to talk about how you can get the most out of your paycheck."
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"text": "The opinions and content of all hosts or guests and any products, solutions, or services are not the opinions, recommendations, or positions of Robbins Research International, aka RRI, implied or otherwise, and RRI does not guarantee any results or returns based on the information received from any guests, content, products, or services."
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"text": "Falling in love is easy, staying in love takes mindfulness."
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"text": "The exceptional couples who have a passionate, deep, emotionally connected, sexually and erotically alive, exciting love affair in the long term, that doesn t happen by accident."
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"text": "What makes an exceptional relationship?"
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"text": "Exceptional couples cultivate what I call the three keys to passion."
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"text": "I suggest you visualize it as a triangle, the passion triangle."
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"text": "This is an equilateral triangle."
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"text": "Ideally, what we do is we re strong in all three of these keys to passion."
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"text": "The first one is intimacy."
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"text": "The second one is thrill."
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"text": "And the third one is sensuality."
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"text": "So imagine a triangle with all three sides strong, that s an exceptional couple."
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"text": "Now what do I mean here by intimacy?"
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"text": "I mean the psychological, emotional, connected communication aspect, the friendship aspect of a great love affair."
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"text": "This is where we manage conflict reasonably effectively."
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"text": "We apologize and repair well."
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"text": "We have a deep friendship."
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"text": "We re truly intrigued and interested in our sweetheart."
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"text": "We care about what s going on in the world."
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"text": "And we feel connected and like our sweetheart has got our back."
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"text": "Most couples in a long term relationship are pretty strong in intimacy, but they may be weak in the following two."
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"text": "Again, these are the three keys to passion."
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"text": "Intimacy is the first."
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"text": "The second is thrill."
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"text": "This one s a little ineffable."
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"text": "Again, when we re falling in love, we ve got all the hormones, biochemistry, hopes, dreams, and romantic, insane, and unrealistic projections going on."
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"text": "It s really easy to be fascinated with you."
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"text": "Thrill is the butterflies in the stomach, the rushes of erotic attraction, the excitement, and the laser-focused interest in you I had when we were falling in love."
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"text": "How you doing on that these days?"
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"text": "If you ve been together for five years, 15 years, are you excited when your sweetheart comes home?"
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"text": "Or does the dog barrel to the front door and jump up and down and freak out and you sit in the living room and go, hey, where are you in terms of showing thrill?"
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"text": "The second of the three keys."
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"text": "The first key, intimacy."
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"text": "The second key, thrill, and the third key, yum, yum, yum, sensuality."
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"text": "And by there, I don t simply mean sexuality."
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"text": "I mean literally all your five senses, how you relate to your sweetheart through your body and your voice, through touch, sound, smell, through all of it."
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"text": "Sensuality covers the entire spectrum of the erotic and the special way we relate to our partner, whether that s holding hands when we walk the dogs."
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"text": "whether that s having my hand on the back of your neck when you re driving us to our appointment, and the entire realm of sexual and erotic contact, from a passionate kiss goodnight to a warm hug hello, to the simple, sweetest, soul-shaking lovemaking, and to the wildest, sexiest, taboo, raw, hanging off the rafters kind of sexual contact."
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"text": "intimacy, thrill, and sensuality."
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"text": "Strong, amazing, exceptional couples have a good dose of all three."
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"text": "What I ask each of us to do right now is briefly do a quick internal check on you and your relationship these days."
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"text": "Where are you on the passion triangle?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_02",
"text": "Are you strong in intimacy?"
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"text": "But like the majority of longer term couples, you may be strong in intimacy, but pretty weak in thrill."
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"text": "Yeah, mediocre in sensuality."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_02",
"text": "You don t make love very often and it s not very exciting."
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"text": "I call that marriage incorporated and I would say it s kind of the number one long-term relationship doldrums."
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"text": "Marriage incorporated."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_02",
"text": "We re approaching our love affair and our family like a business, not on purpose."
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"text": "We kind of fall into that over time."
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"text": "So we re doing a pretty darn good job of marriage incorporated."
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"text": "We high-five each other in the hallway when you re taking Billy off to Taekwondo and I m taking our daughter to her activity."
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"text": "The bills get paid."
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"text": "We re building some equity."
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"text": "We ve got a home that we feel good about."
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"text": "We go camping in the summer."
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"text": "We re awesome parents and we re good friends."
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"text": "Thrill?"
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"text": "Are you kidding me?"
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"text": "I m in fuzzy socks watching Netflix and you re like, hey, hey babe."
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"text": "I m like, what, who are you?"
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"text": "Thrill can really die when you re in Marriage Incorporated and our sensual, sexual, erotic life can be very neglected, I sometimes say."
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"text": "the typical long-term relationship encounter."
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"text": "A, it tends to be infrequent, people making love maybe once every few weeks or once every few months."
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"text": "And B, I call it nipple, nipple, crotch, good night."
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"text": "It s a very simple routine."
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"text": "We do it over and over and there s very little thrill or creativity."
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"text": "That s what happens when you re unbalanced in the three keys to passion, intimacy, thrill, and sensuality."
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"text": "Too much intimacy is the death of desire as the brilliant Esther Perel says."
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"text": "Now conversely, quickly I ll mention, some people are really strong in sensuality and thrill and very weak in intimacy."
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"text": "They can only really connect and relate through sexual contact or adventure, going on trips, having fun, going to nightclubs, but they find it really hard to be deep and emotionally connected and develop meaning and depth and connection and communication."
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"text": "And that s an unbalanced triangle as well."
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"text": "Exceptional relationships are not the result of falling in love with the right person, which is what we re often told."
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"text": "In our society, there s a huge emphasis on who we choose to be with."
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"text": "And while that s extremely important, choosing the right person does not guarantee happiness."
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"text": "It takes much more than that."
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"text": "Think about your own life."
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"text": "How s your health?"
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"text": "How are things in your job or your business going?"
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"text": "It s likely that if you re an achiever and you re not doing well in any of these areas, you ve held yourself accountable and taken action to improve the situation."
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"text": "As Tony says, action is the most important key to any success."
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"text": "According to Dr. Fraser,"
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"text": "work in the exact same way."
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"text": "If you re not happy or you re having challenges in your relationship and you re suffering, it s up to you to change it."
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"text": "Here she is with more on that."
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"text": "I think a lot of us accept that when it comes to our health and our weight and our fitness, that it s up to us ultimately."
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"text": "And I think most of us accept it when it comes to business, that it s up to us to create the change, to solve the problem, to bring the solution to the team, not wait around for the team to figure it out."
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"text": "But does this fall apart for a lot of us when it comes to our love relationship?"
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"text": "Tell you what, I can t tell you how many people over the years I ve heard say something along these lines."
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"text": "If only my spouse was more romantic, why doesn t he or she take me on dates anymore?"
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"text": "Or they say, you know, I guess the thrill s just gone."
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"text": "And it s just the way it is, right?"
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"text": "I mean, it s what happens, right?"
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"text": "That thrill doesn t last forever."
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"text": "Listen to the complete and utter lack of ownership, the passivity in those comments."
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"text": "The phrase I like to use is become passion."
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"text": "that it s up to each of us to become passion."
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"text": "And it dovetails beautifully with the energy we hopefully bring to the rest of our lives, fitness, business, et cetera."
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"text": "It s up to me to make my relationship great."
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"text": "It s up to my mind to decide I m going to become the passion I am waiting around, waiting for you to bring to me."
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"text": "So, how about I step up and I create that change?"
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"text": "Tony uses this beautiful term here."
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"text": "He uses the term being a generous lover."
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"text": "The term I use, which is basically identical in its meaning, is becoming an awakened lover."
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"text": "How can I awaken fully to my intimacy, thrill, and sensuality?"
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"text": "How can I become passionate, actively bring these qualities to you, and be an extraordinary lover for you?"
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"text": "Lover s a verb."
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"text": "The most important letter in that word is the R at the end."
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"text": "Can I be a lover instead of waiting around to feel like I m in love?"
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"text": "What s the story we make up in our mind when we re in a rough patch in our relationship?"
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"text": "those real relationships are going to have multiple rough patches."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "Do we start to go into an escape clause story about how well if it doesn t get better, then maybe I ll look for something else."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "If it doesn t get better, maybe we re not meant to be with each other."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "Oh my goodness, I hate that phrase."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "Not meant to be."
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"text": "Create the meaning."
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"text": "Choose to be."
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"text": "Commit 100% to being an extraordinary lover."
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"text": "That s not easy."
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"text": "I never want to sound cavalier."
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"text": "Like anything else we want to master, mastering ultimate relationship is going to take time, energy, effort, and intentionality."
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"text": "And I have a little exercise I d like to offer to everybody listening."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "five minutes a day or so, and it will start to change the quality of your love affair by having you become intentional."
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"text": "My sweetheart and I try to do this every morning."
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"text": "He s got his cup of elite Ethiopian special blend coffee, and I ve got my lovely special blend"
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"text": "tea and we sit in the living room and we take a couple of minutes."
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"text": "I ll share with you actually our aspirations from this morning."
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"text": "I call this setting loving intentions."
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"text": "And we each quietly think takes about a minute or so what is an intention or aspiration I want to set about my relationship today."
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"text": "So this morning we did that and I said okay I ll go first and I said today I intend to be very careful with"
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"text": "my voice and to be very careful about my voice sounding impatient when I m in a rush."
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"text": "I want to really focus today on a kind, loving tone of voice."
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"text": "That was mine."
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"text": "A little backstory, I m in the middle of a business launch right now and it s a very, very, very busy time."
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"text": "And I get a little tired and it is possible that Cheryl the passion expert gets a little crabby."
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"text": "And I have a very expressive voice."
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"text": "So that was my intention."
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"text": "Simple, sweet, to the point."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "My sweetheart went next and to my delight, this is the one he came up with."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "He said, I want to create a special romantic event for my wife tonight."
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"text": "And that s what my intention is."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "Great."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "That was it."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "We go off for our days."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "We re not going to see each other for 10 hours."
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"text": "We come back and we have the rest of our day."
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"text": "And what we try to do, what I encourage you all to do, set an intention."
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"text": "Honestly, you can do this in two or three minutes."
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"text": "And at the end of the day, hopefully together if that s possible, but you can do this on your own in the evening."
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"text": "Review for a minute."
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"text": "A minute."
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"text": "How did I do on my intention today?"
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"text": "So I would review quickly and say, you know, was I impatient and snappy in my voice today or did I catch it and use a warm tone?"
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"text": "And he would review his."
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"text": "Make love intentional."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "If you want something great, it s not going to happen all by itself."
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"text": "If you ve ever been in a romantic relationship, you know that conflict, whether you like it or not, is a part of it."
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"text": "Human beings have conflict because we re different people with different opinions and different frames of reference."
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"text": "Conflict is inevitable."
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"text": "And according to Dr. Fraser, one of the most critical skills that couples can develop is to manage it well."
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"text": "In other words, it s not about if we mess up, but when and what we can do about it."
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"text": "Here s Dr. Fraser again with some healthy and productive ways that you can approach conflict in your relationship when it arises."
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"text": "So let me offer a couple of ideas for kind of mindful, loving, intentional ways to attempt to do a better job when we run into a difficult problem between the two of us."
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"text": "First, I ll talk about a way to start a difficult conversation."
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"text": "And most of us really suck at this, myself included."
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"text": "Unless I bring intentionality and I catch myself before I bring up a difficult topic, I m upset about something."
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"text": "I want to lodge a complaint about something."
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"text": "I m triggered about something."
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"text": "How do I bring it up?"
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"text": "We know this."
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"text": "which is we have certain chores or deals around the house that he s responsible for this, I m responsible for that."
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"text": "So if you miss a garbage pickup, you end up with a lot of stinky garbage that s going to be around for four weeks."
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"text": "Yes, it is actually true that on occasion,"
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"text": "My dearly beloved chosen person forgets to take the garbage up."
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"text": "And then I notice."
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"text": "Do I have to do everything around here?"
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"text": "I m sure nobody listening resonates with that little mimicry, do they?"
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"text": "to review."
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"text": "Very simple, elegant formula."
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"text": "You just heard from Dr. Cheryl"
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"text": "who gave a framework of how to productively approach difficult conversations with your partner."
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"text": "But what do you do when you ve really messed up?"
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"text": "Or maybe you ve done something in your actions that has caused them pain."
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"text": "For most people, the immediate reaction is to apologize."
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"text": "But according to Dr. Fraser, it s the way we apologize that s the key to moving forward."
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"text": "Here she is with how you can be more mindful in your apologies."
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"text": "I m going to teach you the art of the mindful apology."
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"text": "Let me give a tiny bit of context for this because it s really important."
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"text": "If you want excellence, follow this formula."
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"text": "The Tony Robbins Podcast is directed by Tony Robbins and produced by the Tony Robbins editorial team with audio editing and sound design by Jeremy Ence."
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"text": "Today s guest was Dr. Cheryl Fraser, a clinical psychologist, sex therapist, and Buddhist teacher."
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"text": "I have, throughout the years, defined what I think are the six fundamental steps that every person goes through when they successfully create a lasting change."
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"text": "And so after this past year of saying yes, he s completely just revolutionized my body."
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"text": "And Billy Beck, thank you, because I would never be where I am today without him."
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"text": "And besides, I have the privilege to travel the world with these two and they are our chosen family and my most beloved friends."
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"text": "So anyways, thank you and I hope you guys are enjoying this and God bless."
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"text": "Okay, Billy, there s a lot of misperceptions and things that people are still believing that s like that s not really true anymore."
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"text": "What other things would you say are like myths that people are still living by and you d like to bust for us today?"
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"text": "just because of the time of year, I think it d be really important to talk about no pain, no gain."
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"text": "Most people watch Rocky IV and they see Sebastian running up a mountain in the snow with a log on his back and they re like, oh, that s how I have to train."
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"text": "And it s way too much for them."
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"text": "That s important because if you don t challenge it, it won t change."
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"text": "But you want to stimulate it, not annihilate it."
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"text": "So if you haven t been doing anything, you just got to do a little bit."
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"text": "and gradually progress from that."
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"text": "There s an acronym."
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"text": "I taught you this, the BOSS principle."
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"text": "Exactly."
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"text": "You should be."
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"text": "You shouldn t be at the point where you re vomiting or anything like that, but hey, more power to heavy breathing."
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"text": "Yep."
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"text": "And then S would be the sweat."
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"text": "So if you re sweating, that means you re challenging your body point."
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"text": "You re flexing enough muscles."
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"text": "The muscles are contracting."
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"text": "Byproduct is heat."
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"text": "And then to cool your body down, you start to sweat."
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"text": "And then the last S is struggle."
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"text": "You got to struggle a little bit."
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"text": "If you re just like nine, 10,"
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"text": "And it s like, it was easy breezy."
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"text": "How about a few simple tips that people can implement right now?"
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"text": "When I work with clients, like I do all these lab tests and everything."
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"text": "And what I m trying to roll out is trial and error."
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"text": "And so I m trying to make it very specific to us so they see results as quickly as possible and to give them certainty."
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"text": "Right."
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"text": "But say"
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"text": "you didn t have any of that stuff."
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"text": "Honestly, you don t need all that stuff."
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"text": "There s some things that you just know work."
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"text": "There s core principles that work for every human being."
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"text": "If you re in the species and you have a heartbeat, this works."
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"text": "The first thing is you got to drink enough water."
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"text": "If you re drinking things with calories in them other than protein shakes, it s probably not a good choice."
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"text": "A 200-pound person would drink 100 ounces of water today, which for international people, that s about three liters."
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"text": "Everyone overcomplicates stuff."
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"text": "So you want clean water."
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"text": "That s fine if you want it."
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"text": "I don t want to tell you not to get it, but I m just saying just keep it really simple."
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"text": "Drink enough water."
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"text": "Next step is super simple."
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"text": "People always want like the perfect diet."
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"text": "Eat foods closest to their natural source."
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"text": "So eat whole foods, avoid processed foods."
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"text": "Got it."
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"text": "And you ask this question, here s your test."
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"text": "If you look at the research on willpower, self-control, and decision-making from Roy Baumeister at Florida State University, and what he found was, if he looked at high performers, low performers, what was the difference?"
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"text": "Welcome to the Tony Robbins podcast."
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"text": "You re listening to an episode that is part of a special season on contribution called Force for Good."
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"text": "We re exploring the 10 gifts of life."
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"text": "Emotion, drive, growth, joy, gratitude, connection, consciousness, grace, presence, and forgiveness."
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"text": "You ll hear Tony and Sage Robbins explain each gift and hear stories of true heroes that illustrate how they show up in real life."
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"text": "We hope you enjoy this episode on the gift of joy."
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"text": "There have been a couple days that really stand out for me when Muriel just came alive and had full gut belly laughs."
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"text": "One of them was recently."
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"text": "And it was a little sunny, so I was wearing my sunglasses."
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"text": "And Muriel honestly seemed a little jealous."
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"text": "So I asked her pointedly, I said, Muriel, would you like to wear my sunglasses?"
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"text": "That s Michael Piper Uny."
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"text": "He s a comedic actor, writer, director, producer, and a caregiver for Alzheimer s and dementia patients."
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"text": "That story you just heard him tell is about a woman named Muriel, who has Alzheimer s disease."
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"text": "Two days a week, Michael comes to Muriel s memory care center and spends time with her."
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"text": "They go on walks outside, they do arts and crafts, they sing, she holds his hand."
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"text": "But a big part of what Michael does is make Muriel laugh."
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"text": "For seniors that are struggling with the disease, one-on-one time with a comedian can ward off isolation and make them feel human again."
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"text": "It brings joy at a time that is extremely difficult for everyone, including their families and their caregivers."
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"text": "Joy is a short but powerful word."
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"text": "What it means and how we experience joy and happiness is different for everyone."
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"text": "You may feel joy when you re laughing so hard that it hurts, like Michael and Muriel did."
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"text": "There might be specific moments in your life that you felt extreme joy, like the birth of your child, or the moment you fell in love."
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"text": "Far too many people believe that joy is something that happens to them, instead of something that s created."
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"text": "Joy is a choice, purposefully made."
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"text": "In this episode, we re exploring the gift of joy."
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"text": "You re going to hear more from Michael and the founder of Laughter on Call, Danny Klein Modisette."
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"text": "You ll also hear from a remarkable woman named Roz Clark, who s helping others experience joy through classical music."
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"text": "But first, here s a message from Tony and Sage Robbins on the gift of joy and happiness, and how we can both embrace it and create it as we move into the new year."
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"text": "Our final session is on the power of joy."
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"text": "And when you really think about it, what does everybody want most?"
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"text": "They just want to be happy."
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"text": "People are as happy as they re committed to being, but more people are committed to having their life be a certain way than they are to being happy."
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"text": "In our culture, we don t seem to value happiness at the highest level."
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"text": "It s crazy."
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"text": "Most people think somehow happiness is out of their control, they have to try to chase it and find it somewhere, that something happens to us when in reality it s something we create."
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"text": "In fact, truthfully, most of the time we re getting in the way of our own happiness, aren t we honey?"
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"text": "Yeah, we sure do."
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"text": "If you can t be joyful now, it s never gonna happen."
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"text": "You gotta try your chances on the next spinning planet."
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"text": "It s maybe the most important decision you re going to make in this lifetime."
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"text": "Because without it, everything else in life feels dull."
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"text": "But with it, everything in life is lifted."
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"text": "Why not go for causeless joy this holiday season?"
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"text": "You don t need a reason to be happy."
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"text": "Bring back that childlike awe and the wonder that comes from just being present in the moment and remembering how lucky we all are to be alive."
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"text": "So thank you."
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"text": "And thank you, my sweet love, for the joy you give me every day of my life."
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"text": "There s no greater gift in my life."
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"text": "Happy holidays, everyone."
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"text": "Love to you all."
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"text": "You re listening to the Force for Good season of the Tony Robbins podcast."
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"text": "To learn more about the 10 gifts that we re featuring this holiday season, including emotion, drive, growth, joy, gratitude, connection, consciousness, grace, presence, and forgiveness, please visit www.TonyRobbins.com slash gifts, G-I-F-T-S."
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"text": "Welcome to the Tony Robbins podcast."
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"text": "You re listening to an episode that s part of a special season on contribution called Force for Good."
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"text": "We re exploring the 10 gifts of life, emotion, drive, growth, joy, gratitude, connection, consciousness, grace, presence, and forgiveness."
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"text": "You ll hear Tony explain each gift and then hear stories of true heroes that illustrate how they show up in real life."
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"text": "We hope you enjoy this episode on the power of forgiveness."
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"text": "But first, let s hear from Toni about the F-word we often try to ignore."
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"text": "While we continue our series, this How to Have an Extraordinary Life on an Extraordinary Holiday, the power we re going to talk about today, let me ask you a question."
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"text": "To learn more about the 10 gifts that we re featuring this holiday season, including emotion, drive, growth, joy, gratitude, connection, consciousness, grace, presence, and forgiveness, please visit www.TonyRobbins.com slash gifts, G-I-F-T-S."
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"text": "And so that s what I m doing."
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"text": "Anyway, that s all I have to say."
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"text": "I think I have a birthday party mental block."
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"text": "For the last probably 10 years, I ve refused to throw myself a birthday party."
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"text": "And this year was no different."
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"text": "I just turned 23."
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"text": "And I made the decision that once again, I was not going to throw myself a birthday party."
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"text": "And it is kind of weird, because I actually enjoy birthday parties."
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"text": "I love going to other people s birthday parties."
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"text": "Love, like when it comes up on the calendar, I get excited."
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"text": "Like when someone texts me and says, Hey, next week I m having a birthday party."
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"text": "I m elated."
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"text": "elated."
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"text": "I love birthday parties."
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"text": "I really do."
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"text": "But my God, do I hate throwing one for myself."
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"text": "When I look inward and reflect on why I never throw a birthday party for myself, I think it s because number one, I fear that it would be an inconvenience in people s schedules."
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"text": "Which makes no sense because I get excited when somebody s birthday party comes up in the calendar."
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"text": "It s not a burden to me."
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"text": "But for some reason, I believe that if I were to throw a birthday party, it would be a burden to those who were invited."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "They d be like, oh, come on."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Another one?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I don t have time for this."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I have shit to do."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I don t want to go out tonight."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Fuck."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I don t want to hang out."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "No."
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"chunk": "0",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "What an inconvenience."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Fuck Emma."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "She sucks."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Why did she have to throw a birthday party?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Now I have to go to this birthday party and it s a chore."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Okay."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "So that s reason number one."
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"text": "Reason number two, I think I m afraid of being disappointed."
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"text": "You know, if I put a lot of money and time into planning a birthday party and everyone was busy and no one showed up, I would be very disappointed."
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"text": "I mean, obviously I would have my closest friends and family there, but"
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"text": "I don t know, if I m throwing a birthday party, I want the room to be packed."
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"text": "I want it to be a fucking vibe."
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"text": "And you know, I always feel bad for people when they throw a birthday party or some sort of party and it ends up not being very fun and people sort of talk shit about it."
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"text": "And I ve seen that happen many times where, you know, a party didn t really turn out to be very fun."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And it sort of reflects on the person who threw the party, which is sort of unfair."
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"text": "because the fate of a party is in the universe s hands."
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"text": "It s not in the hands of the person throwing the party."
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"text": "I guess in some ways it is, but."
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"text": "The energy, who shows up, it s all unpredictable."
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"text": "And it s kind of sad when somebody s party doesn t work out."
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"text": "The third reason why is because it s a lot of work."
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"text": "And I ll put in work for other people, but it s harder for me to put in work for myself unless I m super passionate about it."
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"text": "Number four, there s something inside of me that feels like throwing a birthday party for myself is too indulgent."
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"text": "Like, Emma, really?"
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"text": "You think that you re so important that you should have your own birthday party?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Which again is stupid because when other people throw a birthday party for themselves, I m like, exactly as you should."
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"text": "You should have the most phenomenal, beautiful night of your life with all the people that you love and have the best time ever."
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"text": "Like, I don t,"
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"text": "see birthday parties in such a negative light for other people at all."
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"text": "What makes you think that that many people care about you and will show up?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "What a loser."
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"text": "They re so rarely fun."
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"text": "Other areas can be more quiet."
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"text": "There can be an area to hang out in the backyard."
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"text": "There s a kitchen in there where people can go in and make drinks or, you know, maybe you could set up a bartender if you re really,"
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"text": "Well, I guess if I m feeling crazy, this is my birthday party, that s a phenomenal vibe."
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"text": "Or possibly some sort of vibey bar that isn t too loud."
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"text": "Maybe a bar-restaurant vibe where you can sit, you can stand, you can be in a loud dance floor area, you can be in a quieter, more chill area."
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"text": "There s a bar area to hang out into."
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"text": "It s not too big where everyone s all spread out and nobody s hanging out, but it s not so small that, you know, it s like cramped and uncomfortable and everybody s miserable and can t sit down and stuff."
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"text": "Perfect balance."
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"text": "And ideally something too that has a cool aesthetic to it, like nice decor."
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"text": "My vibe is not a futuristic club with like neon dance floor, neon lights everywhere."
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"text": "It s just not me."
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"text": "My hypothetical birthday party needs to have nice decor that matches my aesthetic."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "So douchey."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "This is a hypothetical birthday party, though, so you can t say, Emma, you re so douchey for this."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Yeah, it didn t happen."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "So leave me alone."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Like, let me have my fun, for fuck s sake."
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"text": "Okay, moving on."
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"text": "Let s talk about timing."
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"text": "When are people showing up?"
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"text": "Okay, let me tell you what I don t like."
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"text": "I don t like when the party starts at 11 p.m."
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"text": "I do not like that."
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"text": "By 1230, I m getting a little sleepy, you know?"
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"text": "That s a little too late for mommy."
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"text": "Mommy s getting old."
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"text": "Nothing too late."
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"text": "This might be a hot take, but I love a darty, a day party."
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"text": "I don t know, 3 p.m., hang out, have some drinks, you know, maybe there s some activities going on."
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"text": "We ll get into that later, but I kind of like an all-day party."
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"text": "During the summer, in my backyard, I love to have a few friends over."
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"text": "in my backyard."
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"text": "We start at like 2 or 3 p.m."
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"text": "and we go into like 8."
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"text": "And then everybody has dinner."
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"text": "Sometimes we all have dinner together."
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"text": "You know, everybody goes and does their own thing."
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"text": "And then you re in bed by 10."
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"text": "It s phenomenal."
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"text": "But you get also more time to hang out, more time to party because you start early."
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"text": "It feels like a full day experience."
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"text": "It s so fun."
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"text": "And you end up bonding with everyone who s at the party because you spend so much time together and it s daylight and you can talk because it s during the day."
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"text": "Like at night it s when things get dark and loud, but during the day things are lighter and brighter."
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"text": "And you can still party, you know, you can still have drinks, you can still dance and stuff, but I don t know."
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"text": "I love a darty."
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"text": "So start at like 3 p.m."
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"text": "Or the other option is starting at like 7."
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"text": "Now, recently I went to a birthday party that started at like 7 and I was like, wow, that s early."
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"text": "Like I m shocked."
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"text": "In L.A., you know, usually parties start at 9, 10, 11 p.m."
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"text": "And so seeing a party start at 7, I was like, this is fascinating."
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"text": "What s happening?"
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"text": "It was also very delightful."
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"text": "You know, you don t get the whole day experience, which I really do enjoy."
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"text": "But when you start at seven, people can come and go throughout the evening."
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"text": "Same thing with the day party."
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"text": "People can come and go throughout the day, but I don t know when it starts early in the evening, people sort of trickle in over the course of the evening and you know, there s options to eat dinner there and all of these things."
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"text": "Next, let s discuss activities."
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"text": "Now let me tell you what I don t like."
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"text": "I don t like when the only activity is just getting drunk and dancing and clubbing."
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"text": "Like, it feels pointless to me."
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"text": "And there s a way to make it classy and a way to make it cute, you know?"
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"text": "You can buy cuter cups to spice it up or something."
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"text": "Ping pong, fucking badminton, a tattoo artist, a piercing person."
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"text": "a fortune teller, a bouncy house, like I don t care."
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"text": "It s basically basketball."
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"text": "I fucking love that arcade game."
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"text": "But yeah, like stuff like that s fun."
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"text": "It s just nice to have something to do, but it s nice to have it be optional."
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"text": "Next, let s discuss decorations."
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"text": "Now, this might be a hot take."
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"text": "I don t love when everything is overly detailed, okay?"
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"text": "I appreciate the art of it, though."
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"text": "Don t get me wrong."
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"text": "Like, if you Google birthday party decoration inspiration on Pinterest, you ll see what I m saying."
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"text": "People will throw birthday parties and make the most detailed decorations."
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"text": "Everything is on theme, every single napkin, every single"
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"text": "balloon, every single tablecloth is all perfectly matching and super on a theme."
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"text": "I don t think that that s necessary."
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"text": "I think it s so much work and so much effort, and I don t think it s worth it for me."
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"text": "When someone else does it for their birthday party, I think that s gorgeous, but I, if I was throwing my own birthday party, would not spend the money on that."
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"text": "I just don t think it s necessary."
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"text": "that s chic and, you know, cheap and just keep it at that."
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"text": "That s all."
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"text": "It costs so much money to decorate things in that Pinterest level of detail that I just wouldn t do it."
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"text": "Unless it s a super intense, weird niche theme that s kind of funny."
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"text": "Like if somebody threw me a Napoleon Dynamite themed birthday party or like a Coraline themed birthday party and every single plate was Coraline and every single... That s kind of funny."
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"text": "Like I kind of love that."
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"text": "It s actually kind of a good idea."
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"text": "Maybe I ll do Napoleon Dynamite themed birthday party next year."
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"text": "So maybe I do like super detailed decorations."
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"text": "I guess I do, but only when it s kind of silly."
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"text": "I think if it s for aesthetic purposes, I don t need that, you know?"
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"text": "I can pass on that."
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"text": "If it s for funny, amusing purposes, yes, I can get behind that."
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"text": "This might be shocking to some of you, what I m about to say."
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"text": "I kind of believe in an open door policy."
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"text": "It s like, no, only you are invited."
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"text": "You cannot bring a friend."
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"text": "You can t bring anyone."
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"text": "I don t like that because, I don t know, it just complicates things socially."
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"text": "And they actually were planning to hang out with two friends that night."
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"text": "Now there s an uncomfortable situation."
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"text": "I always respect somebody s rules when they re throwing a party."
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"text": "I m not bringing anyone."
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"text": "Everyone has their preference."
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"text": "But for the most part, if you re inviting people that you know and love, and they re bringing other people, if you like the person that you invited, chances are they re not going to invite anyone who s that horrible."
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"text": "I don t know."
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"text": "I kind of like the idea of being like, if you know someone who s coming, come on in."
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"text": "Let s make new friends."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Let s have fun."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I actually do that again."
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"text": "I do that during the summer in the backyard."
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"text": "I ll just like have people over that I barely know."
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"text": "I ll tell my friends, hey, invite whoever."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And sometimes I ll invite people over that I don t really know that well."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "But that s what makes it so fun."
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"text": "That s what makes it feel all the more exciting is when, you know, you have a big mix of people."
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"text": "Most of the time, I prefer a small group over a super large group."
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"text": "when it comes to hanging out and doing stuff."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "But I do that already so much that if I m throwing a birthday party, I m gonna go big."
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"text": "Bring whoever."
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"text": "If anyone misbehaves, they get kicked out."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "No problem, you know?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Next, let s discuss the dress code."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Let me tell you what I do not like."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I do not like black tie fancy."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "No."
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"text": "I don t enjoy myself when I m in a really uncomfortable fancy outfit."
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"text": "I end up wanting to go home sooner."
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"text": "I get tired sooner."
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"text": "So I would never put my guests through that."
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"text": "Do I love playing dress up?"
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"text": "Absolutely."
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"text": "So I don t want to put people in fancy outfit and then now they re uncomfortable and their feet hurt and they want to go home early because"
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"text": "I don t know, I even think about that with my wedding."
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"text": "Like, if I end up having a wedding one day, I kind of want it to be casual vibes so that people can just enjoy themselves."
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"text": "It s not so formal that everyone s just excited to go home because they don t want to stand in their heels anymore or in their"
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"text": "Dress shoes, I don t know."
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"text": "I also don t like parties that feel like a hot competition."
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"text": "You know when somebody s throwing a party and it s at a club or it s at a house, but the invite gives this vibe of like, oh no, we re dressing hot tonight."
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"text": "I don t know how to explain it, but you can tell on a party invite what the vibe is."
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"text": "I don t like the hot competition for my own birthday party."
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"text": "Don t get me wrong."
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"text": "It can be fun."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "But I don t want that energy for my hypothetical birthday party."
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"text": "I just don t want that."
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"text": "I d rather people come really casual in clothes that they can wear all day or all night."
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"text": "People should want to feel cute, but it doesn t need to be a hot competition."
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"text": "Could also be fun to do a pajama party."
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"text": "In fact, that is kind of my dream."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Oh my God, that d be so fun."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Pajama party would be really fun."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Or super niche theme like, OK, we re doing a Napoleon Dynamite birthday party."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Everybody has to dress up as somebody from Napoleon Dynamite."
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"text": "The only thing I don t like about that is that that does create a task for the people attending that s kind of tedious, which is kind of not ideal."
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"text": "I don t know."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I think mega casual or pajama party is ideal for me."
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"chunk": "2",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Oh my God, you know what would be so fun actually?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Pajama party at like a bar because it s kind of opposites."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Oh, that could be fun."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Being able to wear pajamas where you don t normally get to wear pajamas is possibly one of my favorite things in the entire world."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And to have a birthday party with that in mind, I mean, yeah, that s kind of my vibe."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Okay, let s talk about the bar slash drink situation, okay?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I will say an open bar is critical."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "An open bar that s prepaid by me or by whoever s throwing the party, me, I guess,"
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"text": "I really feel like I ve won the lottery every time I go to a party and there s an open bar and I don t have to pay."
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"text": "I know it sounds stupid because it s like, Emma, it s just, it s like, who cares?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Like pay for your drink."
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"text": "Of course."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
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"text": "You don t have to get your card out."
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"text": "It s free."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "You know, you feel taken care of."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s a fucking vibe."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "So if I were to throw a birthday party for myself, definitely open bar."
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"text": "I thought about it kind of being cool to have like a bunch of wines."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "like doing like a wine party."
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"text": "But I very quickly realized, no, that s never fun."
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"text": "Everybody has such unique alcohol preferences and like what works with their body and what they enjoy the most."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Some people don t like alcohol at all, but for people who do drink alcohol, everyone has their own preference."
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"text": "Like for the most part, I like a tequila soda with lime when I m drinking or a glass of wine."
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"text": "When I go to a party and there s just beer, I m like, fuck, I don t drink beer."
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"text": "No."
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"chunk": "2",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "You know, like the options are helpful so that everyone can participate if they want."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "So I think it s open bar and I think it s all types of liquor."
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"text": "You know, if people misbehave, they get kicked out."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "That s mommy s rule."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Okay, I already been through this."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "So if anyone s abusing the open bar, they re out."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And it s as easy as that."
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"chunk": "2",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Yeah, that leads me to my next one."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Do I have a security guard or not?"
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"chunk": "2",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Yes."
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"chunk": "2",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "So that I can say, take this person out now."
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"chunk": "2",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "They re causing a scene."
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"chunk": "2",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "They re causing a ruckus."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Get them out."
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"chunk": "2",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "No, I m kidding that I did not write that down on my notes."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Next, let s discuss food."
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"text": "I thought about this a lot, and it s clear to me what I don t like."
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"text": "I don t like when it s all junk food."
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"text": "Don t get me wrong, like, yum, and there better be some fun foods, even if they, you know, are junk foods and give you a stomachache or whatever, for me specifically, give me a stomachache, whatever, that must be included."
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"text": "Everyone s going to get a tummy ache."
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"text": "Everyone s going to be sluggish."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "You know, there has to be a good balance of options, right?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Some fresh stuff, some fun stuff, like a mix of everything."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "All junk food."
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"text": "Everyone s just going to have diarrhea and have a stomach ache."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "You know what I mean?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Like that s not good for morale."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Also, I don t love when there s a big table filled with food and it s just sitting there and kind of like rotting."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "for too long, that feels like a food safety issue to me every single time I see it."
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"text": "Like, every time I go to a party and there s just food that s been out on the table for literally eight hours and all of it is perishable, I m like, I feel like this is not safe."
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"text": "Also, the food gets gross really quickly."
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"text": "There s certain foods that are totally fine, like leave chips out all day, who gives a fuck?"
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"text": "You know, leave fruit out, that s fine."
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"text": "There s certain foods where it s fine, like snack foods, all good, but like,"
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"text": "I don t know, like having like a bowl of pasta out feels like a food safety issue to me."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Anyway, so I think the food should be made to order."
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"text": "Maybe there s a food truck outside."
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"text": "Maybe there s, I don t know, some sort of like restaurant involved in the party, whether they re catering or something and they re like managing it."
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"text": "I don t, I don t throw parties, so I don t know how this shit works, but having the food sort of made to order or have it be maintained by a third party."
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"text": "or just have there only be snacks out that can be out all day and nobody s worrying about food poisoning."
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"text": "Am I the only one that is very concerned about food poisoning?"
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"text": "Maybe, but my God, there s no good time to get food poisoning."
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"text": "So I m always avoiding it."
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"text": "I think some foods that I would love to have at my birthday party would be definitely some sort of tater tot situation."
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"text": "Tater tots are a good option."
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"text": "I went to a birthday party a few months ago that had full Italian vibes going, like really good Caesar salad, really good spicy rigatoni, all the things, really good pizza."
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"text": "It was balanced and well done."
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"text": "So maybe that s the vibe."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "But also, like, a falafel truck could be so good."
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"text": "Like, falafel wrap, hummus."
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"text": "That d be pretty good."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I always need hummus involved whenever I m having a party."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Every party needs a little fucking plate of hummus, goddammit."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I believe that."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I believe that with every fiber of my being."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "That s just necessary."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "So consider that on the snack table."
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"text": "There is, I guess, a difference between the snack table and the main food, you know what I mean?"
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"text": "The snack table is far less important, I would argue."
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"text": "The main food is what s really important."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Like, what are you doing?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Ooh, honestly, a Mexican food truck would be kind of amazing as well, like burritos, tacos, customizable options, you know, people can get what they want."
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"text": "That would be really good."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "With a salsa bar, must have a salsa bar."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "That would be iconic."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Wow, that s great."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I love that."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "That might be my favorite."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "There s options."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "There s options."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Let s discuss gifts."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I really don t need any gifts."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "So I would make a no gift policy for my birthday."
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"text": "And number one, I don t need anything."
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"text": "Number two, I get very uncomfortable with gift giving and gift receiving, like the whole thing."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I don t like it because I don t like receiving gifts."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "and I get uncomfortable with it, I assume that other people are like that."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "So I don t like giving gifts because I don t like making other people uncomfortable."
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{
"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "But that s ridiculous because many people enjoy receiving gifts."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "In fact, it s many people s love language."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "So"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I need to get over that."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I actually like, I love giving people gifts, but I don t like being there when they receive it."
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"text": "Like I d rather mail people a gift and they can just react to it however they want."
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"text": "And they can just shoot me a text and say, thank you for the gift."
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"text": "Like they don t have to be like, I love it."
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"text": "And it s like, no, you don t."
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"text": "And it s fine, but let s move on."
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"text": "So no gift policy for my birthday."
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"text": "And last but not least, let s discuss cake flavor and design."
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"text": "You know what I mean?"
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"text": "Like when I think of an elegant cake, I think of like a lavender Earl Grey cake with beautiful cream cheese frosting or carrot cake with cream cheese frosting or like lemon cake."
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"text": "I actually love lemon cake, but not on my birthday."
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"text": "Uh, oh, I would love it, but I d prefer fucking chocolate, peanut butter, brownie, chocolate chip cookie dough, like fucking pack that shit full with every goddamn dessert you can think of."
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"text": "Like, that s what I want."
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"text": "I want to feel like a little kid when I m eating my stupid birthday cake."
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"text": "That is the type of flavor I want."
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"text": "I do not want lavender, rosewater, fairy dust, birthday cake."
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"text": "That s what I fucking want for my birthday."
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"text": "And I will say I m a sucker for a funny cake."
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"text": "A few years ago, my friends got me"
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"text": "a huge cake that was shaped like a penis and it was funny because at the time I was the one in the group who had a boyfriend and it was like oh my god Emma loves like okay what you get the idea it was like I was the girl in the group who you know what I m saying and so it was funny at the time because it was like oh Emma loves wiener you know what I mean here s a wiener cake it was funny it was personal"
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"text": "I love that."
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"text": "I thought it was funny."
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"text": "I took a selfie with my penis cake."
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"text": "My dad was in town."
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"text": "He was mortified."
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"text": "It was a nightmare, but it was funny."
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"text": "And I do love that."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "So a funny cake, that s sort of like an inside joke."
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"text": "I love that."
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"text": "On the other hand, I do love just a beautifully made cake by a really passionate cake artist."
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"text": "I think that that s phenomenal."
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"text": "There are so many amazing cake artists."
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"text": "Like I am constantly watching their videos."
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"text": "on Instagram Reels."
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"text": "Even though I m back on TikTok, I still don t watch TikTok."
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"text": "I only watch Reels."
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"text": "But you get the idea."
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"text": "Like that could be really cool, like just letting a cake artist do their thing."
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"text": "The one thing I don t like is when there s too much fondant."
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"text": "I hate fondant."
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"text": "I think it tastes horrible."
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"text": "And I think cake should, you know, I get you need to use fondant to decorate a cake, but it shouldn t have too much."
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"text": "It shouldn t be like the whole cake is fucking fondant and it should be always peeled off in my opinion."
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"text": "So that s my ideal birthday party."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s kind of all over the place."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It seems like it s a day party."
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"text": "It s a darty."
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"text": "It seems like there s food trucks."
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"text": "It seems like this birthday party is going to cost a lot of fucking money."
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"text": "My hypothetical birthday party is like fucking."
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"text": "20 grand ease no this is like insane like I feel like maybe this is why I haven t thrown a birthday party is because subconsciously I m like Emma you have two grand of ideas like cool down."
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"text": "I almost enjoy talking about birthday parties in a"
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"text": "pretentious, picky way more than I enjoy actually having one."
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"text": "I love this discussion and I feel almost full."
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"text": "I don t need to have a birthday party for another at least 10 years."
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"text": "I feel satisfied."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "So, you know, we re going to leave it at that."
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"text": "I hope that you enjoyed this episode."
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"text": "Please let me know what your ideal birthday party looks like."
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"text": "You can shoot a DM to at anything goes on Instagram."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Let me know."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I m so curious if you disagree with me on some things, if you agree with me on some things."
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{
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"text": "As always, please let me know."
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"text": "New episodes of Anything Goes every Thursday and Sunday."
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"text": "You can listen anywhere you stream podcasts, but video is exclusively on Spotify."
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"text": "You can check me out at Emma Chamberlain on Instagram, Emma Chamberlain on YouTube, pretty much at Emma Chamberlain everywhere."
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"text": "You can check out my coffee company."
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"text": "We re probably in a store near you if you live in the United States."
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"text": "Use our store locator on chamberlaincoffee.com to see if we re in a store near you."
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"text": "go pick up some fun or you can order Chamberlain coffee straight to your door."
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"text": "I hope that you all are having a beautiful day."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And if you re not, I hope that you have a beautiful day soon."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And I love you all and appreciate you all."
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{
"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And thank you all for listening to me rant about a hypothetical birthday party that will not happen."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "You learn nothing, but maybe it was good background noise."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "while you folded laundry or something."
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"text": "That s all I could ask for because some of my favorite content is background noise while I m folding my laundry."
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"text": "You know what I m saying?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "So we re all in this together."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Love you all."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Thank you all for listening."
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"text": "Today I have a very raspy voice because I ve been singing a lot in the car, etc, etc."
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"text": "So my voice is gone, but hopefully some of you think that it s sexy and charming."
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"text": "I know for a fact there will be a few of you that will be annoyed, but this is just what you get with me."
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"text": "I lose my voice so much, it s unbelievable, and I can t tell if it s because I just talk and sing more than the average person, or if it s because there is ultimately something wrong with my throat."
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"text": "But that s neither here nor there, and that is something for me to worry about, and not for you to worry about."
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"text": "Don t worry, I will handle that."
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"text": "You have enough going on in your own life, okay?"
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"text": "Which is why we re doing an advice session because I m going to be giving you unprofessional advice on things that are going on in your lives."
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"text": "And if you want to submit a current dilemma or a situation that you want advice on, at anythinggoes on Instagram, that is where we receive submissions."
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"text": "So this whole episode is about what the fuck to do when you have a crush."
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"text": "Or this feels like a sign that they like me."
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"text": "When, you know, this person that you have a crush on now could just be a really avid texter."
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"text": "And that was a sign that they had a crush on you."
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"text": "Now you re talking to this new person who you have a crush on, they re giving you really good eye contact."
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"text": "You might say to yourself, well, they must have a crush on me, right?"
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"text": "It s so impossible to figure out that my recommendation is to not even try to read between the lines, not to even try to figure them out."
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"text": "Instead, you need to find out for sure."
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"text": "Because, like, this is just my opinion, okay?"
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"text": "I just think it s so misleading to basically, like, come up with conspiracy theories about whether or not they like you back."
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"text": "Now don t get me wrong, I m all about conspiracy theories, okay?"
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"text": "But you can never come to a conclusion unless there s proof, unless there s evidence, unless someone says, here s the science, these are the aliens, they re right here, this is 100% certain."
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"text": "You see what I m saying?"
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"text": "And so you can never come to a conclusion based on things that are not factual."
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"text": "It s like when they re solving a murder case."
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"text": "I have a crush on your friend and I don t know how to handle it."
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"text": "Like, I don t know if I should ask them if they feel the same about me or if I should like start to get closer to them."
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"text": "Like, do they like me?"
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"text": "You could become closer with them."
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"text": "Now that takes time."
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"text": "Like, does it seem like they want to spend time with you a lot?"
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"text": "Did they ever get a little flirty with you?"
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"text": "Do you catch them looking at you when you re talking in like a group of friends?"
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"text": "Are they like staring at you?"
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"text": "Somebody said, how do I know when to give up on a crush?"
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"text": "Not only am I gonna tell you how to know when it s time to give up on a crush, in my opinion, but I m also gonna give you some advice on how because that s a whole other beast, figuring out how to give up on the crush."
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"text": "It s helpful in the same way no contact is helpful when you break up with somebody."
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"text": "Another thing you can do is try to find someone else to have a crush on."
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"text": "But unfortunately, that s just not how the universe works."
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"text": "When you re in another relationship, the door is not open then for what you want to come in."
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"text": "A lot of us fear being alone, but you can find yourself in shitty relationships because you d rather be in something shitty than be alone."
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"text": "Now the problem with that is, whenever you re in a relationship, energetically, like not to get spiritual with it, but I swear, it feels like energetically, nothing new and better and improved can come in unless you re completely single, free, independent, open."
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"text": "If you re in another relationship, the universe and whatever powers that be will not give you a replacement like you want it to."
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"text": "And I have absolutely experienced this."
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"text": "What tends to happen is the second that you let that person go and you re single again and you re free and you re finding your independence and you re happy without anyone else, not even happy, and you re fulfilled being alone for the time being,"
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"text": "That s when the universe gives you something new."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "So that s the first step."
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"text": "You need to be single for this."
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"text": "It s not fair to you or the people that you re dating to be in the relationship just to avoid pain."
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"text": "Like you re avoiding the pain that comes with having a crush on your friend and being too afraid to ruin the friendship to have a conversation about it and to really figure it out."
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"text": "Any relationship built on a foundation of running away from something is not good and not healthy."
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"text": "and it s not fair."
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"text": "It s not fair to you and it s not fair to the other person."
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"text": "I m like, you know, hey, your hand looks warm."
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"text": "Maybe I could get you a cold drink for that."
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"text": "Would you like me to buy you a drink?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s the worst."
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"text": "I just came up with that."
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"text": "Don t ever say that."
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"text": "But you get what I m saying."
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"text": "It s fun, but it s a nightmare, but it s exhilarating and distracting, but it s torturous and painful."
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"text": "Anyway, I love you all."
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"text": "Thank you all so much for listening and hanging out."
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"text": "If you did, tune in Thursdays and Sundays, new episodes twice a week anywhere that you stream podcasts, although video is exclusive to Spotify."
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"text": "Check out Anything Goes on Instagram and Anything Goes on TikTok at"
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"text": "anything goes, you can follow me on Instagram at Emma Chamberlain on YouTube, Emma Chamberlain on TikTok."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I don t really know, my username is changing like every 30 minutes right now, but I m back on TikTok, which is super weird, but find me on TikTok."
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"text": "Now that I m back on there, check out my coffee company, Chamberlain Coffee."
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"text": "You can find a store locator on chamberlaincoffee.com and see if we re in a store near you, or just order us online."
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"text": "It s even easier."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "That s all I have for today."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I love you all."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I appreciate you all, and I can t wait to talk to you soon."
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"text": "He s written several books, the most recent one being Dress Codes, How the Laws of Fashion Made History."
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"text": "Beyond just, like, when did they create the corsets and why are they so snatched?"
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"text": "We re gonna have a fashion day, you know, because you have so many things that you do so many amazing things that you do."
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"text": "I think it s not optional when we speak of fashion in the broadest sense."
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"text": "So when we re talking about, do you care what you re wearing?"
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"text": "I don t think that s optional."
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"text": "And I think people who say that they don t care are, um, not self-aware or not being honest."
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"text": "I m sorry."
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"text": "Some people will."
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"text": "be upset at me for saying that, but I don t I don t buy it."
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"text": "Yeah."
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"text": "Yeah."
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"text": "Exactly."
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"text": "Well, that s a great point."
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"text": "For example, like Mark Zuckerberg wears a great T-shirt, you know, really famous example."
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"text": "Look, you know, the CEO of a billion dollar multi-billion dollar corporation just wears a great t-shirt."
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"text": "But when you hear what he says about why he said something like this, it s not a direct quote, but I wear this great t-shirt because if I wasted my time thinking about trivial things like fashion, I wouldn t have time to do my job to be the best CEO of Facebook."
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"text": "And I would devote all my time to that."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_02",
"text": "So what s the great t-shirt now?"
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"text": "Is it a matter of indifference?"
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"text": "No, it s a symbol of the work ethic."
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"text": "Right."
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"text": "And so if you re not wearing a great t-shirt, if you look like you care about fashion, that suggests you re wasting your time on trivial things when you should be working."
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"text": "And people actually said that."
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"text": "So when she was then the CEO of Yahoo, Marissa Mayer,"
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"text": "You know, she s a fashionable young woman."
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"text": "She looks like she s going to a party or on vacation while everyone else is working."
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"text": "So people do care, you know, and there s just another, it s like an inverted dress code at this point."
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"text": "If you look like you care, now that s a problem."
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"text": "what would you say to people who get really, like, I m remembering even like Miley Cyrus, for example, when she came out and all of a sudden she s like, you know, wearing really revealing clothes and like, you know, whatever."
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"text": "And everybody was up in arms, like as though she killed their family."
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"text": "What are your thoughts on that?"
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"text": "Like what,"
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"text": "People get really just angry about what other people wear."
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"text": "Number one, why do you think that is?"
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"text": "And number two, is that healthy or no?"
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"text": "I think it s no, but I wanna hear you elaborate."
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"text": "I think it s often unhealthy and I would say I think it s, sometimes it s inevitable and sometimes people dress in order to provoke a response and then it s not surprising that they"
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"text": "are successful in doing that, but I think that often it s unhealthy, particularly when it s directed at women."
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"text": "So I m gonna come back to this point about the way women are forced into catch-22s around their attire constantly and criticized no matter what they do."
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"text": "And so I think a lot of women"
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"text": "You know, that they ve lived their lives being"
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"text": "Your outfit s boring or it s slutty."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_02",
"text": "It s back and forth."
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"text": "And they re just like, I m just gonna wear something where there s just no argument about it."
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"text": "And call me what you want."
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"text": "Do you think that it works?"
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"text": "That s a hard one, yeah."
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"text": "I think it can work for some women if they are ready for the reactions, but I do think that often it doesn t work because you don t opt out of the judgment."
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"text": "I mean, that s- It s also not for you at the end of the day."
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"text": "Yeah."
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"text": "It s still not for you."
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"text": "Right."
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"text": "You know, right?"
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"text": "It s like, I think that that s what s so unfortunate about is that it s like,"
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"text": "It s almost like, you know, you can t win, right?"
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"text": "Because it s like, if you, you re like, you know what, this is like an, I wanna empower myself, so I m gonna go ahead and do this."
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"text": "But then, that doesn t do it either."
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"text": "It s almost like, I think, ultimately, to set yourself free, and maybe it s not this simple, but I m curious to hear your thoughts."
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"text": "It s like, maybe to set yourself free,"
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"text": "you have to do something that s just completely a reflection of your personality, whatever that is."
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"text": "So it can t, not any extreme necessarily, but it must just be the truest representation of you."
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"text": "So it s like if somebody s dressing as an act of rebellion, but then they re like, oh, this doesn t even feel like me, then it doesn t work."
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"text": "It s almost like the biggest act of rebellion is to dress however what is the most truly"
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"text": "You maybe?"
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"text": "I don t know."
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"text": "Yeah, it s so, I hear what you re saying about how- It s like there s nowhere to win."
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"text": "Right, that you re reacting, so if you re reacting to something that you re not in control, you re now in a responsive posture to some other thing, patriarchy, whatever, the male gaze, all of that."
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"text": "And I do think people are often buffeted back and forth by that kind of thing."
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"text": "But I have to say, I m skeptical that that s possible."
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"text": "I think- I agree."
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"text": "And maybe the only- True."
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"text": "To the extent it s a solution, solution is to recognize that and decide what you want to say, decide what you want to communicate with your clothing."
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"text": "Now that doesn t solve, that doesn t help women out of the catch 22."
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"text": "And I think that s a matter, honestly, of political activism."
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"text": "What do you, what do you think about sort of the way that we re consuming fashion today compared to how we used to consume fashion, you know, a few hundred years ago?"
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"text": "I mean, who knows?"
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"text": "Like, how is the way that we consume clothes different back then versus today?"
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"text": "I mean, I think it s obvious, but I m curious the sort of details of that."
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"text": "For a long period of time, any"
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"text": "The Brooks Brothers suit is one of the first examples of mass produced clothing."
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"text": "So now you re not going to the tailor and having something made."
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"text": "You can buy it in a catalog."
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"text": "It s cheaper."
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"text": "Europeans commented on the way Americans were also well-dressed because this was the first country where you had this mass-produced cheap clothing everywhere."
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"text": "Everyone s wearing a nice waistcoat."
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"text": "Yeah."
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"text": "because the rabble can afford this."
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"text": "Now, almost everybody can do that if they go to some fast fashion store where they re copying the high fashion clothing at a very low price point."
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"text": "And, you know, as to how I feel about it, there s a lot of waste involved."
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"text": "It s not great for the environment."
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"text": "And the labor practices used in some of this cheap clothing are appalling."
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"text": "I know I m so about that right now where I m like."
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"text": "Go in like, you know, and make it a part of your uniform in a way and like, you know, have fun with accessorizing and like do other things."
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"text": "everything this is the cheaper option like in high school I was ordering fast fashion stuff all the time I you know then eventually I found thrift shopping and I was like this is actually more fun and then because thrifting was not cool when I was little and then now going to the thrift store is like cool isn t that wild yeah it was not that way when I was a kid I actually do think it s kind of cool though that now"
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"text": "It s almost like a weapon now to be like, I thrifted this, you know?"
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"text": "Like that s the flex now."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "But maybe that s just a smaller, because I still do think that the big designer brands and all these, you know, expensive sorts of things still have societal impact."
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"text": "I also think it s lessening a little bit because there s a lot of fake designer that looks pretty real."
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"text": "So it s like, how is anyone to know it?"
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"text": "Do you think that designer things have less of a sort of importance now?"
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"text": "Yeah."
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"text": "I don t know how that s going to work out."
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"text": "And it s interesting how they navigate that."
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"text": "So I m thinking of Gucci and their collaboration with Dapper Dan."
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"text": "I don t know."
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"text": "Do you remember?"
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"text": "who made clothing for, you know, artists like Eric B. and Rakim and Salt-N-Pepa."
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"text": "And they were, he used fake Gucci and fake Louis Vuitton fabrics to make these jackets and suits and clothing and these really cool stuff."
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"text": "And they sued him."
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"text": "But now he s collaborating with Gucci."
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"text": "And so, you know, it s kind of come back full circle in this."
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"text": "So they re trying to figure out, you know, now they realize this stuff was cooler than most of the stuff that we put out officially."
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"text": "part of her dress was dragging on the ground and that part of her dress that was dragging on the ground somehow like absorbed my apple box that I was standing on that wooden box that I was standing on and it just got pulled away dragged away in her dress somewhere like that is how big her dress was that literally this fucking entire box got lost in her dress"
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"text": "in the car which was very disturbing for the people who were with me they absolutely hated watching it but i was like gnawing my nails off uh so that was really disturbing and then i don t know i was just slowly but surely like taking everything off because i assumed that there weren t really going to be any cameras outside of the hotel"
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"text": "Well, I was wrong."
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"text": "I truly had a phenomenal time, though, and it s always such an honor to be allowed back."
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"text": "I m just so mind-blown every year that they have me back to do the interviews, to walk the carpet, and to eat the dinner with everybody, and watch the performance with everybody."
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"text": "yeah it was just it was such a phenomenal year and I had great people around me and I don t know it was just it was delightful um and thank you to all of you who said kind words about my interviews that I did with Vogue or my look that I made with Jean-Paul Gaultier and Cartier and Jared my stylist"
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"text": "I really appreciate it."
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"text": "And so it just means so much to me and to them that some of you resonated with it."
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"text": "So I really appreciate that."
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"text": "And you know, that s all I have for this week."
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"text": "Clearly I need to go to bed or something because my nose has gotten like progressively more clogged throughout this episode."
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"text": "And I feel like I am becoming sick now."
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"text": "Like I think in the beginning of this episode, I was not sick."
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"text": "And then by the end of it, I m now ill."
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"text": "So I need to handle that and I will, but I love you all and I appreciate you all."
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"text": "And I hope that you enjoyed this episode and I hope that you enjoyed the last few episodes about the Met Gala."
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"text": "If you haven t tuned into those, feel free to do that."
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"text": "They re up."
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"text": "You can find new episodes of Anything Goes every Thursday and Sunday."
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"text": "Stream anywhere that you get podcasts, although video episodes are exclusive to Spotify."
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"text": "You can check out Anything Goes Instagram at anythinggoes, my Instagram at Emma Chamberlain, my coffee company, Chamberlain Coffee."
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"text": "We re probably in a store near you if you live in the United States."
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"text": "It is on there."
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"text": "That s all I have for today."
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"text": "I love you all and appreciate you all."
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"text": "And you re like, it s okay, we ll have a dress."
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"text": "I ll give it to someone else."
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"text": "No, I m kidding."
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"text": "But we did our first fitting like fucking two months ago."
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"text": "I mean, I ve been hearing stories about people doing their first fitting tomorrow, Sunday, before the Met."
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"text": "So we re just chill."
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"text": "But that s normal."
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"text": "Lots of people do that."
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"text": "We re being kind of weird about this."
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"text": "We take it really seriously."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "We take it too seriously."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "It s cringe and weird."
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"text": "It s embarrassing, for sure."
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"text": "And we can t tell anyone about it."
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"text": "This year there are multiple people, which is different too, usually I ve had."
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"text": "I m managing it well."
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"text": "Everyone s very kind, so everyone s trusting and everyone feels good."
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"text": "I feel good this year."
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"text": "It s so weird to talk about The Met now and then have this episode come out."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "It s like a time capsule."
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"text": "This episode s gonna come out."
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"text": "after the Met?"
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"text": "It is nice to be able to talk openly about it because you even like who you re wearing and what it s like because it s so sneaky."
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"text": "What year is this for you and me?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Four."
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"text": "Four feels like a good number."
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"text": "Genuinely."
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"text": "That is so, how did I, well it was also like, I didn t know how to pose."
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"text": "And that was kind of an awkward dress."
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"text": "A lot of times these red carpet looks, they don t look right unless they re placed perfectly."
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"text": "Placed perfectly."
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"text": "Which is so interesting."
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"text": "This whole thing is smoke and mirrors."
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"text": "Do you have a meltdown about that on the day of?"
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"text": "Are you refreshing Getty Images, freaking out?"
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"text": "But it hasn t gone wrong for, I don t think there s been like, I ve never had something where I m like, oh my God, her top fell off."
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"text": "That would be cool."
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"text": "I m feeling so chill."
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"text": "And then they leave."
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"text": "It was great."
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"text": "And so it s this stress of like, is my skin going to be good that day?"
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"text": "I don t know, it s just all these fears."
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"text": "No, thank God."
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"text": "I feel like a lot of people are."
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"text": "Really?"
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"text": "What do you think is the worst thing that could happen?"
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"text": "On Met Day?"
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"text": "Yeah, I don t think period is the worst."
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"text": "I was on my period one year when I wore the white skirt, I think."
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"text": "Yeah, I remember that."
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"text": "There actually has never been a whiter skirt."
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"text": "I don t know how I didn t bleed."
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"text": "I don t either."
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"text": "Y all have never seen anything like it."
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"text": "That s, yeah, but is there such a thing as being too sick?"
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"text": "I would go anyway."
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"text": "What if you got hit by a car and had memory loss and had to do the interviews?"
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"text": "You knew it was the Met."
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"text": "That s so dark."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "You knew it was the Met."
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"text": "But I don t remember."
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"text": "Which is crazy."
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"text": "Which is so crazy."
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"text": "I can t, like, it s like, I do, I mean, planning in the sense of, like, I m aware of who s going and I m trying to be aware of, like, what they re working on and stuff at the time so that I can maybe reference it."
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"text": "I have nothing else to say, I m just repeating the script."
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"text": "Yeah, it s like a how are you is gonna have a more interesting answer for them."
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"text": "They re gonna be excited to answer that question."
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"text": "in the sense of working with a designer or not, maybe sourcing archive, what s sort of the ideal relationship with the glam team?"
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"text": "What s your sort of dream scenario?"
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"text": "What makes it the smoothest and the most effective?"
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"text": "It s so much more effective when you start these conversations with designers to pull references from their past runway shows, because everyone s mostly creating custom things."
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"text": "So the first year, I think I had all these ideas and I presented it to Louis Vuitton, who you re going with, and none of them had anything to do with the brand."
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"text": "So that is a I mean like that s where I try and start with anybody is like picking things from designers paths that are strong instead of just like random references."
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"text": "So that s kind of what I can do."
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"text": "But then it is always nice when designers are receptive and excited and like want to collaborate because very rarely do talent and stylists and designers all like have the same idea."
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"text": "So, which is great."
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"text": "Where were we?"
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"text": "So, I mean, when a designer s receptive, that s like so nice, just because it s so much better when it s a collaboration, when it s like people who are down to like,"
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"text": "I know."
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"text": "One thousand percent."
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"text": "Yes."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "We never can work with them again."
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"text": "Why do they like fashion this much?"
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"text": "People hate us."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "People hate us, but I m ultimately going to be snatched."
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"text": "And then they love."
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"text": "Let s talk about creating this year s look."
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"text": "As I said earlier, we started doing fittings for it and having meetings for it, what, two months ago?"
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"text": "It was during Paris Fashion Week, which was February?"
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"text": "The whole process, well first we put together a list of people that we wanted and Vogue has a say in who you re wearing and it ended up being Gaultier and when we were in Paris for Paris Fashion Week we decided to have a meeting at their headquarters which is"
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"text": "I don t remember."
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"text": "And sometimes that can be a tough one to be flattering because you get the armpit vagina, you know, it doesn t give your arm the space to move properly."
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"text": "Like it just sort of like if you re if you have a strapless corset, it can squeeze you at the top."
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"text": "They can go up too high and then be very unflattering."
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"text": "And I was very nervous about that when we went into this look doing a corset."
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"text": "And ultimately there was none."
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"text": "There was no armpit vagina."
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"text": "I don t need more than one vagina on me, on any red carpet."
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"text": "All I need is one."
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"text": "What underwear am I going to wear under this, I m thinking, because it s kind of see-through."
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"text": "It s a little bit see-through, like the thinnest matching, like... Are you... Well, I was going to suggest somewhat of a thong, but maybe just... I would wear a thong."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Barely there."
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"text": "Okay, that s fine."
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"text": "I hate thong."
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"text": "Maybe we can make it a little thicker than a thong."
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"text": "Well, that s actually big."
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"text": "Well, it s huge."
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"text": "That s covering a whole lot."
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"text": "I don t think that there is."
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"text": "Maybe there s not."
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"text": "Maybe we should create that."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "So we have a new company."
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"text": "In one day."
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"text": "So we have a new company starting."
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"text": "And as you can see, fashion glasses and in between thongs and bikinis."
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"text": "That s great."
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"text": "What should we call it?"
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"text": "Can I be honest?"
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"text": "Open that up in Soho, thong bikini glasses, something called that."
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"text": "Genuinely, there would be a line at the door."
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"text": "People would be like, I don t even know what they re selling, but the name is so chic."
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"text": "Like it actually is like, there s like a lore to that."
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"text": "Well, I d be so confused."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "Same, but that s what people would be like excited, like what does it mean, I need to know."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I ve never seen something like this."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "I ve never seen something like this, I need to know more."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "What is a good Met Gala look to you?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "Like when you see it, you re like, oh fuck."
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"text": "What it like, paint that picture for me broadly."
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"text": "And I ll tell you what I think too."
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"text": "I think it has to take some type of risk for men."
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"text": "I think so."
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"text": "I think if you re going and not doing something out of the ordinary, it s like, this is the time to do it."
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"text": "So something that s different and taking some type of risk."
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"text": "Yeah, I just, I would love, I like it when people steer away from boring."
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"text": "Because again, when else can you do this?"
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"text": "I think for regular red carpets, if you just look gorgeous, great."
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"text": "But for this, there s so many added layers that there s the opportunity to do something more creatively exciting."
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"text": "So that s like the biggest thing."
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"text": "Totally."
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"text": "And their features."
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"text": "What do you think is a good Met Gala look?"
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"text": "number one, something that does feel truly organic to the person."
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"text": "Like you see them in it and it s not like they look like they re dressing up in their parents clothes and they re a kid."
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"text": "You know what I mean?"
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"text": "Um, it feels like, oh, this is them."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
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"text": "their consistent aesthetic."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "You know?"
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"text": "Just like they re wearing it."
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"text": "ties into their personality or who they are, whether it s in a costume way, like in a, you know, I m dressing up as someone else or something else way or in a personal way, whatever."
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"text": "I also think definitely like beautiful tailoring."
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"text": "No."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "And that but we find ourselves in."
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"text": "Do you know what I m saying?"
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"text": "Totally."
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"text": "Like, for example, if we re doing a fitting in there and I m like squeezing into something, it s like we just can t do this."
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"text": "Yeah."
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"text": "Like even if we could make it fit, it s like"
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"text": "The perfect tailoring is it s everything it s everything and I feel like that s overlooked for sure like that s why we have to do fittings up until the very last day because your body changes like you could be you could have pooped more and now you need to"
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"text": "Take it in a little bit on the waist or maybe like you haven t pooped and you need to let it out There s so you need to let it out or you have gas and you re very very good at it And so there s there s always there s so many variables that you need to be doing fittings up until the last day to have something perfectly fitted Which is so crazy, but it kind of reminds me of like weddings, you know what I mean?"
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"text": "People are doing fittings for their wedding like constantly constantly."
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"text": "It s like oh"
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"text": "Wow, you re still doing fittings for the wedding?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "This is so boring."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s so boring, no one cares."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Do something else."
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"chunk": "2",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "Do something else."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "Why are you wearing, it s a white dress."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Why are you wearing that?"
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"chunk": "2",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Okay, that s not camp."
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"chunk": "2",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "Jared, it can t be easy to do more than two people."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "No, scratch that."
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"text": "More than one person for the Met because it is the biggest carpet of the year in many people s eyes."
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"text": "And there are so many details that go into it and there s,"
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"text": "kind of, it feels like a lot on the line, right?"
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"text": "Like it s like very high pressure, especially when you are, you know, directly helping someone achieve a good look."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "Like there s a lot of pressure on you to make shit happen."
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"text": "Making me so nervous."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "You know what I mean?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Okay."
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"chunk": "2",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "Okay."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "You re correct."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "You re correct."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "How do you manage having this year,"
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"text": "what, five different people going to the Met, or four?"
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"text": "Yeah, five."
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"text": "You re addressing five people for the Met."
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"text": "And literally obsessed."
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"text": "It s just them."
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"text": "You re just like, come on you guys, where s my coffee?"
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"text": "It s really inspiring."
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"text": "It s who I am."
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"text": "So I have a team and they re amazing and they have been like, they re very used to getting people ready for red carpets because there are lots of times where red carpets are happening and multiple people are going."
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"text": "Yeah."
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"text": "Yeah."
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"text": "So the way it s gonna work this year is I have another client staying at your hotel."
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"text": "Yep."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And then we ll take you to the carpet."
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"text": "And then I can swing back and take"
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"text": "another client who s at another hotel to the carpet and then hopefully swing back and take another in the car to the carpet and then hopefully swing back and take the last couple to the carpet."
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"text": "That is so intense."
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"text": "I m trying to do it because everybody I want to be with everybody as much as possible but the way I like plan it out is whoever"
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"text": "all the prep going into it is done well is like the most you can do."
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"text": "And then showing up as much as humanly possible on the day of is also ideal."
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"text": "It s more just like moral support."
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"text": "Well, we ll see."
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"text": "This is a great theme to go off."
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"text": "Which was fun for us, but I feel like we re going to get a lot of people and like blushing flowers and beautiful blooming things."
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"text": "But I don t know."
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"text": "Maybe everyone will be like, let s do decay."
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"text": "Well, I was excited about the decay because it s it s sort of I like that color scheme."
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"text": "I m a hot topic kid."
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"text": "Goth."
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"text": "We just strike those words from our language."
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"text": "Wow, I am not using them anymore."
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"text": "Grunge, grunge, stop saying it."
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"text": "Doing a pink little frilly dress."
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"text": "Everyone s like, what are you wearing?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "Oh my God, that s a one way ticket to just, I don t know, not really being a fashion girl anymore."
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"text": "No."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s hard to predict exactly what it ll be, but that s the fun of it."
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"text": "Zendaya s a co-chair."
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"text": "What s Zendaya going to wear?"
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"text": "You don t see this?"
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Teal weirdly too."
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"text": "Greens, you re like green, green, yeah, that s what I know."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "Just be psychic and get this all right, I will freak out."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Can we put, do we win?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "Yeah, what do we win, you guys?"
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"text": "We ll just have a shot of tequila at the after party."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "Because we have to name a few more celebrities and what they re going to wear."
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"text": "Okay, what about Ariana Grande?"
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"text": "Big and pink, because it s wicked."
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"text": "Her."
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"text": "Inside of her."
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"text": "Okay, so that s what I picture."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Yeah."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Yeah."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And there was another year where she did."
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"text": "Wow, I need to Google that."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "But that would be, you could actually time that out well."
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"text": "That s great."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I am."
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"text": "I m not even going to attempt this."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
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"text": "And then you can have you get that would be amazing."
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"text": "Pregnant Met Gala would be."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "Oh, my God."
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"text": "Imagine I bring baby daddy of the baby to it and we put him in a matching outfit."
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"text": "And then the next year you have the baby in an outfit."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Yeah, I actually was thinking about that the other day."
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"text": "So baby gets shoved at home with my mom."
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"text": "But I feel like for me, like let s say, let s put this into the calendar, like 2029 Met Gala, I m pregnant."
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"text": "That would be sick."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
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"text": "That s not that long."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "Yeah."
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"text": "But it would look so cute at the after parties."
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"text": "This is a big question."
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"text": "Because it s been back and forth."
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"text": "I have decided yes."
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"text": "Which is so fun."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "Listen, here s the reason why I want to go."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "Well, originally I booked my return flight back to L.A."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "Yes, that s what I was thinking."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
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"text": "Are you?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "Austin, our friends, we need to go and we need to have fun and we need to dance and just say, who cares?"
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"chunk": "4",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "All of you guys are trying to be too cool for school."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "I m done with this BS."
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"chunk": "4",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "It s cringe and I m gonna do the fucking Macarena if I have to."
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"chunk": "4",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Please don t do that."
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"chunk": "4",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Okay, too far?"
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"chunk": "4",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I will leave you."
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"chunk": "4",
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
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"text": "What could it be?"
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"text": "I know."
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"text": "And I ll like be, oh my God, I had this like one time my friend took a photo of me in the bathtub and I like had a bunch of back knee and I was like bent over and it was like so funny and it is sort of a nude but it s hideous."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "Yes, yes, where it s like not trying to be hot."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "Thank you for hanging out in your busy week, your busy met week."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "Are you kidding?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And also, I wouldn t I wouldn t even be."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "There would be nothing else if you hadn t if you hadn t brought me on to do your first met."
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"text": "That is the only reason I m here."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "So, OK, well, let s relax with that because you re you slay and you re amazing at what you do."
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"text": "And so are you."
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"chunk": "4",
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"text": "OK, we ll stop."
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"text": "Hello, and welcome back to a series that I have here on Anything Goes called Advice Session, where you send in your current dilemmas or anything that you want advice on, and I give my unprofessional advice."
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"text": "In honor of the Met Gala this week, I ve decided to curate a special list of your current dilemmas that somehow relate to things that I have advice on because I ve learned weird things from attending red carpet events, from posing for photos, to putting together a flattering outfit, to"
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"text": "socializing in high-pressure situations."
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"text": "I ve weirdly learned a lot from attending red carpet events, and it ll allow me to provide you with some unprofessional advice."
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"text": "Let s waste no time and get right into it."
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"text": "Number one, somebody said, how do I pose for photos and not look awkward?"
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"text": "I always feel weird when taking a photo and it s obvious in the picture."
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"text": "Help."
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"text": "I think there s a few things here, okay?"
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"text": "There are a few separate variables that impact the way that you feel when taking a photo."
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"text": "And I think that that is key to getting comfortable in front of the camera."
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"text": "I want to tell a story really quickly about my first photo shoot, like my first big campaign."
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"text": "It was for Hollister swimsuits."
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"text": "So it s like already scary because it s a campaign and I need to pose and look pretty in clothes, which is something I was not very familiar with."
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"text": "but also it was in bathing suits so I m half naked as well."
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"text": "It was possibly the worst situation you could have for someone who s new to taking photos, especially in a professional sense, right?"
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"text": "It sort of reminds me of acting or singing"
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"text": "When I think about the most challenging part about acting or singing, it s getting out of your own way."
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"text": "There s something about our ego that gets threatened when we perform in some way, because performing is vulnerable."
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"text": "You re putting effort in and trying to do a good job, and there s a risk that if you don t do a good job, that it s really embarrassing."
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"text": "And all of these things, acting, singing, modeling, in a way like modeling for photos, whatever, there s good singing and there s bad singing."
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"text": "All of these things can be done wrong, which is why there s such a huge risk when you put yourself out there and you try to do it, right?"
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"text": "And so I think with all of these things, the first step is to get out of your own way and be okay with being embarrassed."
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"text": "Because there are going to be times when you look stupid."
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"text": "And you have to learn to accept that and to be comfortable with that feeling."
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"text": "And I found that the best way to get over yourself is to practice."
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"text": "Now, when it comes to taking photos, you can set up self-timer on your phone and just start practicing posing."
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"text": "And you can look back and be like, huh, how was that?"
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"text": "Okay, was that bad?"
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"text": "Was that good?"
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"text": "You don t need someone else to be there to take photos."
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"text": "And what s nice about taking photos is that also you can look at the result alone and analyze it alone."
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"text": "And you can practice this very well on your own in the safety of your solitude."
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"text": "Whereas when it comes to singing or acting, a lot of times it s hard to judge your own singing."
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"text": "It s hard to judge your own acting because you re so deep in it."
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"text": "It s very hard to reflect."
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"text": "Yeah, you can take videos and watch them back."
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"text": "But I don t know."
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"text": "There s something about singing and acting that is even more challenging in a way to get over yourself because I feel like there s just much more to critique there."
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"text": "And I don t know."
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"text": "And it s harder to judge your own work in a way."
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"text": "Whereas when it comes to a photo, it s two-dimensional, you know?"
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"text": "It s much easier to analyze on your own."
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"text": "Anyway, that s a great way to practice."
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"text": "Beyond that, you can do little photo shoots with your friends more often."
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"text": "It s all about practicing, practicing, practicing, figuring out what feels good, what you know looks good, figuring out your angles through practice, through trial and error, and slowly but surely becoming confident in your ability to take a good photo of yourself."
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"text": "It s exposure therapy."
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"text": "That s the only thing that I found that helps me because my first few photo shoots were a catastrophe."
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"text": "I felt so uncomfortable posing."
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"text": "I was so afraid of being embarrassed."
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"text": "And it ended up creating images that were more embarrassing in a way because you could tell that I was uncomfortable."
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"text": "It would have been overall probably less embarrassing to have just accepted the fact that I might look stupid while I m posing."
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"text": "And it might be embarrassing and the photographer might think, wow, she has no idea what she s doing."
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"text": "That s so funny and so cute."
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"text": "But if I would have tried and just settled into it and accepted it and surrendered to it, it would have ended up looking good."
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"text": "And I wouldn t have been crying in the bathroom during the photo shoot, freaking out and saying, I can t do this anymore because that did happen to me."
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"text": "So that s number one, sort of surrendering to the potential embarrassment and putting your ego aside and just saying, you know what?"
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"text": "And it s embarrassing, even though you re alone and no one s seeing, it s still kind of embarrassing, but it s incredibly helpful."
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"text": "And it really makes sense as to why it works, because you re connecting your physical movements now with a visual."
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"text": "Most of the time when you re taking a photo, you can t see what you look like."
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"text": "ChamberlainCoffee.com to use the store locator and see if we re in a store near you or just order directly from the website directly to your door."
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"text": "Yeah, you guys, that s all I have for today."
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"text": "I mean, I m sure you ve watched enough episode of America s Next Top Model and Zoolander."
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"text": "It s been so many years, and my stylist, Jared, keeps being like, Emma, you need to watch more America s Next Top Model because it ll take you to the next level."
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"text": "You re going to learn how to do things with your face that you didn t even know you could do."
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"text": "Maybe Zoolander."
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"text": "It s a Ben Stiller movie about being a male model."
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"text": "Oh, it s pretty brilliant It has all these cameos from like every celebrity you can imagine Fun all these fashion designers and it s basically it s poking fun of Zoolander."
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"text": "Yeah, but it s absolutely brilliant And he had this look called blue steel."
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"text": "Uh-huh."
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"text": "Maybe you should adapt that for the Met I m gonna adapt blue still for this Matt."
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"text": "Yeah, so that s my home."
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"text": "I think it s gonna be really, really handsome."
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"text": "Like, I m thinking of being Anna, and I m like, there s no way that she s signing off on everything."
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"text": "She does."
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"text": "On everything and on top of that she is at everything we have rehearsals with the performer we have rehearsals with dancers we have fittings we have like we go through like once we re at the Met preparing in that"
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"text": "Wow."
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"text": "Like I remember my first year and like my first year I literally was like, I don t know how I got here."
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"text": "I hope I don t get escorted."
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"text": "I don t know how I fooled people into thinking that I belong here."
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"text": "But like Poker Face was on 10 that time."
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"text": "Yeah."
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"text": "Cher was the performer."
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"text": "Which was so, like, unreal."
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"text": "Like, this is a, like, icon and legend get thrown around about every single person nowadays."
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"text": "And I remember seeing, going to see Cher the night before her rehearsal at either Barclays or MSG, she was on tour at the time, and going backstage with her publicist."
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"text": "What do you think?"
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"text": "I was like, you literally, this is what I said to her."
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"text": "I go, you literally could sing the phone book and I will fucking listen and say it s the most brilliant album on the planet."
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"text": "I don t care what you sing."
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"text": "I m like, you on that stage is enough."
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"text": "And"
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"text": "Wow."
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"text": "And, like, she loves being a part of this."
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"text": "That s amazing."
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"text": "So it s pretty fucking cool."
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"text": "It s like, no."
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"text": "We re like a bunch of pretty people dressing up."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "Yeah, right like if this is the one time a year that everyone gets together and has fun Yeah, and you get to watch it from home."
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"text": "Yeah, it s just people having a good time."
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"text": "Yep, and even if I wasn t there, I d still would want to see what people are wearing I would be watching you on livestream."
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"text": "Yeah, I would be watching you and Jack Harlow on livestream Yes, no, I mean it s really"
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"text": "Honestly, heartwarming to hear that it s fun, because I feel like coming into this interview, I was like, there s no way that this is fun."
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"text": "Placing so like my first year we got to bring so many people that have never been to the Met Like RuPaul s first time at the Met it was theme was camp Oh, who s better to come to the Met than RuPaul?"
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"text": "Yeah."
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"text": "And I have to enjoy it, because if I started hating on every single thing that, in some way, agitates me or annoys me, I m gonna be a miserable fucker, and I don t wanna be that."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "When it comes to The Met, there s a theme."
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"text": "And that is very important to the event."
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"text": "How important is the theme to Vogue?"
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"text": "Because Anna approves looks somewhat."
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"text": "Yep."
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"text": "Yep."
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"text": "Yeah."
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"text": "It was an iconic year."
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"text": "I know, it s true."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And my favorite story, okay, going back to Cher."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Yes, yes."
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"text": "Yeah."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "I mean, it is kind of interesting."
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"text": "Yes."
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"text": "Oh my God, we are horrible."
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"text": "That s so true."
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"text": "I think this is your fourth year hosting or third?"
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"text": "The last two."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "You know what I mean?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
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"text": "You know what?"
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"text": "So we have how long until the Met?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "How are you feeling now?"
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"chunk": "4",
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"text": "How are you sleeping now?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
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"text": "Hello, and welcome back to a series I have here on Anything Goes called Trendy or Timeless, where I take current fashion trends that are happening in the zeitgeist, and I figure out whether they are a trend, something that will be cringy to us in six months to a year, or if these trends are actually timeless."
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"text": "And in 50 years, we ll look back at these trends and say, you know what?"
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"text": "That was chic then, and it s still chic now."
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"text": "let s waste absolutely no time and get right into it."
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"text": "It s been a trend for a couple years now to have a lot of piercings, whether it s a nose ring, or it s a septum ring, or it s a bunch of ear piercings covering the entire ear, or it s a belly button piercing, which just recently came back into style because that was not"
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"text": "Piercings in general."
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"text": "I m talking about the nose ring."
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"text": "I m talking about the septum ring."
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"text": "I m talking about the belly button piercing."
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"text": "These are"
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"text": "fashion choices."
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"text": "I feel like simply having your ears pierced is very standard, like most people have that."
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"text": "It s not really a trend."
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"text": "Arguably, that s timeless."
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"text": "It s when piercings are taken to a next level."
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"text": "Okay, that s what we re discussing here today."
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"text": "For a long time, I thought piercings were timeless, for the most part."
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"text": "Like you could stack up your whole ear, you can get a nose ring, you know, you can get a belly button ring, and it s timeless to have the piercing."
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"text": "What is trendy is the type of jewelry that s in it."
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"text": "And I think that that s still true, but I think I ve actually come to the conclusion"
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"text": "that piercings are trendy."
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"text": "Like all sort of fashion piercings are trendy."
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"text": "Nose ring, belly button, stacking up the whole ear."
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"text": "I actually don t think it matters what type of jewelry that you have in there."
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"text": "I think it s always trendy."
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"text": "Now, that s sort of what s shifted in the last few months for me."
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"text": "Because again, before I used to think it didn t matter how many piercings you had or where they were, it was more about the jewelry that was in them."
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"text": "Like a simple little gold hoop or a simple little diamond stud is timeless, right?"
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"text": "It doesn t matter if you have 10 piercings in the ear, if they re all timeless jewelry that s simple, like I just described, you can t really go wrong."
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"text": "It s the stuff that s loud and extreme that s more trendy."
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"text": "Like, you know, having a big dangling butterfly out of your belly button."
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"text": "That s trendy."
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"text": "Having a little hoop in your belly button?"
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"text": "That s timeless."
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"text": "I still think that that is true, that the type of jewelry impacts how trendy the piercing is."
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"text": "However, I m starting to think that piercings in general are kind of trendy."
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"text": "Like, I recently decided to take my nose ring out, and I had my nose ring for years, like since I was 17, and I m 22 now, so that s five years of my little nose ring."
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"text": "I always had a little hoop in there, a simple little hoop, nothing wild."
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"text": "And I remember my dad told me, he was like,"
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"text": "you re not going to want to wear that for the rest of your life. "
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"text": "And I was like, really?"
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"text": "I think I ll be wearing my nose ring until I m like a parent."
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"text": "I m like 50."
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"text": "And he was like, maybe, but I don t know."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And I was like, interesting."
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"text": "Okay, we ll see."
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"text": "Because I think we were discussing a long time ago whether or not, you know, a nose ring was trendy or timeless, basically."
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"text": "I ultimately think he s right because I had a photo shoot and they asked me to take the nose ring out."
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"text": "And I was like, okay, I hadn t taken it out in so long."
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"text": "Like I forgot what I looked like without it."
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"text": "And I took it out and I was like, I like this better."
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"text": "I just like this better."
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"text": "And at this photo shoot as well, they asked me to take out"
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"text": "all of my earrings, basically."
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"text": "So I had, like, I have four holes on each ear."
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"text": "I used to have more, but they all closed up and got infected."
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"text": "Really, like, just absolutely pus everywhere."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "So infected."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "So that was very unfortunate for me."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "So they also had me take out all my earrings."
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"text": "So I basically had no jewelry on."
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"text": "And I was looking at myself for the first time with absolutely no jewelry in my face."
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"text": "And I was like, I really like this better."
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"text": "And I ended up just putting back in my main earring, like in my main hole, and something in my second hole."
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"text": "And I was like, this is just so much cleaner."
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"text": "And it s not really drawing too much attention, but it still, you know, sort of frames the face."
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"text": "I was like, I don t think I m actually gonna fill those extra four holes."
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"text": "Like, I think I m just gonna leave those empty, and I think I m gonna leave the nose ring out."
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"text": "Like, I think I like the simpler look."
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"text": "And so I might be going through a phase where I m just craving the bare minimum, and that could simply be it."
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"text": "But I don t know, I m not so sure."
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"text": "I actually do think that piercings are trendy."
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"text": "Now, the good thing about piercings is that you can take them out."
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"text": "It s kind of a safe, trendy thing to have."
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"text": "I mean, I do have a hole in my nose that you can see."
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"text": "Looks like I have a really big pore on my nose from where the nose piercing was, and that s kind of unfortunate, but it s ultimately gone."
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"text": "And I bet that hole will get smaller over the years."
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"text": "So it s a low risk trend."
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"text": "I mean, you are altering your body, but it s low risk."
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"text": "It s not like getting tattoos, which are also often very trendy."
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"text": "That s higher risk trend."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "So I think it s safe to play around with."
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"text": "I don t think there s any harm in it."
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"text": "I actually do, though, think that they re trendy."
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"text": "And I don t know, I think very simple, very understated piercings are ultimately timeless."
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"text": "But I don t know, like, when I think about, let s say, 2005, when people had, like, tongue piercings and lip piercings and eyebrow piercings, like, that s not cool right now."
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"text": "That s not trendy right now."
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"text": "I think that that is simply proof that piercings come and go."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "as trends, even belly button rings."
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"text": "I mean, they re back in now, but they were out for like five to 10 years."
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"text": "They were in in the early 2000s."
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"text": "And then when the whole like Y2K thing started happening again, everybody loved the belly button piercing again."
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"text": "I really think that the only timeless piercing that you can really rely on is just like a piercing on the lobe of the ear."
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"text": "I think that the rest will come and go."
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"text": "But that s not to say that I don t like them."
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"text": "Like, I loved my nose ring."
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"text": "There was a period of time where I wanted a belly button piercing."
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"text": "I wanted a really simple belly button piercing with just a little ring in it."
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"text": "But unfortunately, they told me I didn t have the right anatomy for it, which was unfortunate."
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"text": "So I never got it."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "But it s not that they re not cute, but I just don t think that they re timeless."
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"text": "Like, I think that you will ultimately want to take them out at some point, either because you grow out of it or because it s not cool anymore."
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"text": "or because it s hard to maintain like having 50 earrings in your ears or having a nose piercing it s like they fall out they get infected sometimes they get irritated sometimes like it s not a convenient thing to have always you know they can be uncomfortable anything that s like uncomfortable or inconvenient is usually going to be trendy because it just can t stand the test of time like people don t want to put up with it for that long"
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"text": "I don t know."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "We ll see."
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"text": "We ll see what happens."
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"text": "But it was a weird epiphany for me because I was convinced I was going to have my nose ringing for the rest of my life."
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"text": "And now I m kind of like, I don t know."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Not really that into it anymore."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Okay."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Next we have huge goggle like glasses."
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"text": "I m talking about like almost like a shield, like any like very large goggle-esque sort of glass or shield like glass that covers like"
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"text": "eyebrow to like pretty much the bottom of the nose like you know I m like these big frames right it s funny because what was really trendy I don t know three years ago was like the super actually maybe even five years ago now the super teeny tiny glasses right and now we ve gone in the opposite direction where the huge goggle like glasses are in"
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"text": "I think majority of these are trendy, however, I love a big goggle-esque sort of glass."
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"text": "I think the ones that are more like a shield are more trendy to me, just because they re very, I don t know, they re sort of faux futuristic in a way, they re kind of race car driver in a way, and they re just not versatile enough maybe to be, you know what, no, hold on,"
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"text": "No."
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"text": "I m thinking about it."
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"text": "You know what?"
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"text": "I m sorry."
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"text": "No."
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"text": "I think huge goggle-esque glasses, I actually think that they might be timeless."
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"text": "I think it depends on how goofy they look."
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"text": "I think that there are some that are so goofy that it s like, these are obviously trendy."
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"text": "But I think that there actually are some that are timeless."
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"text": "Like, I m thinking of like a huge, like, 60s goggle mod pair of glasses."
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"text": "I think those can be timeless, actually."
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"text": "And even like a shield sort of glass, you know what, if they re not super reflective, maybe like they re all black and more simple, I actually think that that could be sort of timeless."
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"text": "I m conflicted on this one."
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"text": "I m conflicted on this one because I might just like them so much that I want them to be timeless."
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"text": "Like I kind of have skin in the game with this one because I actually really love"
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"text": "love a big pair of sunglasses."
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"text": "Because like five years ago when the tiny little mini teeny little glasses were in, I probably would have said that those are timeless."
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"text": "And looking back, they re so clearly not, right?"
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"text": "Like the super, super tiny glasses."
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"text": "We ended up sort of leveling out at like a slightly larger, less extreme sort of tiny pair of glasses that I do think are ultimately timeless."
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"text": "but they re not as extreme as the ones that were trending like five years ago, you know?"
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"text": "I think the same thing is going to happen with the big sort of goggle shield big glasses where we re going to end up leveling out at a point where all the really extreme ones are going to just go out of style and then we ll be left with something that s a little bit more wearable and that will remain as being timeless."
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"text": "I love them though."
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"text": "I think a lot of glasses are timeless."
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"text": "I think it actually comes down to like the materials that are used."
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"text": "Okay, let me explain."
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"text": "Like, for example, a pair of sunglasses that are like a classic aviator shape, right?"
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"text": "That s pretty timeless."
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"text": "Like you can t really argue that."
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"text": "the shape itself."
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"text": "However, if the lenses are like reflective, like rainbow, like monochromatic, like the chromatic sort of like rainbow, bright, flashy lenses, now it s trendy."
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"text": "If the lenses were just black, they d be timeless."
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"text": "Same thing with like, if you were to take a small little pair of glasses, like a teeny tiny little 90s pair of glasses, like what was trendy five years ago,"
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"text": "Those with blue lenses, like bright blue lenses, that s trendy because it s flashy and it s loud."
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"text": "Those with black lenses, that s timeless."
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"text": "And I think that that s why this one was so tough for me."
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"text": "Because like a big pair of goggle glasses that are like all black,"
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"text": "kind of timeless."
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"text": "If like the lens is ombre brown and then like, I don t know, it s like trying to be ultra 70s or something in a way that s almost costume-esque, now that s trendy."
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"text": "You see what I mean?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Okay, moving on."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "We have to move on."
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"text": "Next we have boxers."
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"text": "I ve been seeing a lot of boxers."
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"text": "This has been going on for a while now, but I ve been seeing like a lot of people wearing boxers as pants, you know, like wearing a cute little tank top with a pair of, I don t know, usually blue boxers with stripes and stuff on them and the little buttons on the front, maybe like a little white scrunchie sock and like a Birkenstock, okay?"
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"text": "That s like a summer outfit."
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"text": "That started, honestly, maybe two summers ago now."
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"text": "We ve been seeing that for a while, but a new advancement is seeing boxers, like, poking out of pants."
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"text": "So, like, you ll have a baggy jean with the boxers poking out, specifically on people who normally wouldn t wear boxers."
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"text": "Like, obviously, dudes have been wearing boxers and having the boxers poke out of the pants for God knows how long, but we re seeing it with girls as well who aren t normally wearing boxers, right?"
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"text": "I actually weirdly kind of feel like the boxers are... No."
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"text": "Okay, I think the boxers as pants, like as shorts, I think that that s timeless."
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"text": "I can t imagine looking back at that later."
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"text": "It s just like such a classic"
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"text": "It s a classic pattern for one."
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"text": "You know, like they re always in these classic patterns."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "They re in pale blues and whites and plaids and like very timeless patterns that will never go out of style."
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"text": "So that s number one."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Number two, the way that like the details on them, the little buttons and stuff,"
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"text": "That s very timeless."
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"text": "They re pretty understated."
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"text": "They re comfortable."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I think that they re timeless."
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"text": "Even though I don t recall ever seeing like people wearing boxers as pants, like maybe shorts that are sort of similar, but never like a classic, almost like men s underwear boxer as pants."
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"text": "I ve not necessarily seen that in like old magazines necessarily."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Maybe it exists and I just haven t seen it and I m being dumb right now."
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"text": "So I m sorry if that s the case."
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"text": "I haven t seen that before."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "So it seems somewhat new."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "But I don t think we re going to cringe at that later."
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"text": "I think it s timeless."
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"text": "My only issue with the boxer trend is that it s very hard to make them flattering."
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"text": "Like, it s hard to find a pair that flatters the butt and, like, looks good."
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"text": "Like, they ll look good from the front."
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"text": "I ve seen people talk about this on Instagram Reels, actually, like, talking about this trend and how it s, like, hard to make it flattering."
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"text": "And it s so true."
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"text": "And I ve always thought that."
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"text": "I m not the only one, though, apparently."
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"text": "It s just they always look bad from the back."
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"text": "And so that s the only thing about them that I think is challenging."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "But I don t know."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I think it s cute and I think it s timeless."
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"text": "However, having them poking out of the pants, that I think is trendy."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Do I think it s cute?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Yes, I actually do."
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"text": "I think it s cute and I like it, but I think we will look back on that and think it s a little goofy."
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"text": "Part of me wants to say that we won t because, again, like going back to what I said about the boxer, like they re so classic and, you know, they re ultimately underwear and it s like underwear is obviously timeless."
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"text": "I will say, like, I think that the boxers poking out of the jeans and stuff is way more timeless than the trend of having like exposed underwear straps."
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"text": "Like, you know, the trend of wearing low-waisted pants and then wearing like a high-waisted, not a high-waisted,"
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"text": "a thong of sorts or underwear of sorts, usually a thong, that has a really high string waistband, so then it s exposed on the hip, like it comes up over the hip and you can see it, it s visible."
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"text": "That s been very trendy over the last few years."
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"text": "That is not timeless, I don t think."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s cute, it s fun, but I do think that we re going to cringe at that later a bit more."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "because it s such a specific sort of style and aesthetic."
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"text": "It s a bit edgy, too."
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"text": "you know, to be showing your underwear, like having your thong like popping out of your pants."
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"text": "It s more edgy."
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"text": "And I think stuff that s edgy tends to not be timeless because, I don t know, I think people go through phases of wanting to be edgy, wanting to rebel."
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"text": "It s not like that s a trend that s like ultimately comfortable either."
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"text": "Like, I ve tried it before, like trying to have like, you know, the exposed, like,"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "whatever, it s uncomfortable."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "You re pulling the straps up on the hip, like trying to keep them exposed."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Like it s not convenient."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s not comfortable."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "That s very trendy to me."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "The boxer, less trendy, but still a trend."
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"text": "I think anytime underwear is exposed or like bra is exposed, like anytime, oh, bra straps even showing, that s another trend right now too."
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"text": "Bra straps, thong showing, all of this."
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"text": "I think it s cute."
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"text": "I think it s fun, but I do not think it s timeless."
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"text": "Like, I think that that will come in and out of style for years to come."
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"text": "Just depending on what the general mood of people in the zeitgeist, you know what I mean?"
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"text": "Are people in a rebellious mood?"
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"text": "Okay, then they re going to start showing bra straps, and they re going to start showing underwear straps."
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"text": "Because those are like, it s one thing to have, like, your underwear sticking out on accident, like, that happens to all of us."
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"text": "It s another thing, like, have a bra strap sticking out on accident."
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"text": "That s another thing."
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"text": "It s like, that just happens."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "That s not what I m talking about."
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"text": "I m talking about"
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"text": "Making a conscious effort to like have your bra showing or to like have your underwear strap showing it s different."
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"text": "I think it s too Inconvenient and it s it s almost too sort of rebellious to be timeless I feel like I sound like a grandmother But I m not because I m not saying that I I don t like it or I don t think it can be fun Like I fucking get it."
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"text": "You know, it loses its, it loses its allure when too many people are doing it, when it becomes overdone."
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"text": "and then it needs to go into retirement for a bit because actually, do you know what?"
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"text": "That just made me realize something about it."
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"text": "And then eventually it comes back in again because it went out of the zeitgeist for a minute and then it s like, oh, you know, and then when it comes back, it s like, whoa, you know what I m saying?"
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"text": "Because my gut is saying that it s trendy, but my brain is telling me that it s actually kind of timeless."
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"text": "You will all have to let me know."
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"text": "And you know, I sort of forgot about the mini short in a way, not because they weren t being worn, because I think that they are ultimately timeless."
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"text": "Like, I mean, mini shorts, like a mini short short, right?"
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"text": "It s such a broad umbrella, like what a wide umbrella that is."
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"text": "There s so many different types of, of mini shorts, right?"
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"text": "So there s always going to be some that are trendy, but there s also always going to be some that are timeless."
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"text": "it s been more trendy to wear a longer short and so I was so focused on that that I wasn t even thinking about the mini short."
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"text": "I think many shorts can go either way, but I think, I don t know, there s a fine line between trendy or timeless with them."
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"text": "I think of a pair of short shorts that have a bunch of bedazzling on them, or they re like super early 2000s, like,"
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"text": "Like that can be totally fun."
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"text": "However, we can cringe at that later."
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"text": "Whereas like a cute little, let s say like a red pair of like board short looking short shorts, like with a cute little white waistband, like something classic like that, that s timeless."
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"text": "A pair of denim cutoffs that are short,"
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"text": "but not overly distressed like just a classic pair of denim nothing too crazy about them right just like simple classic denim mid waist jean shorts that s timeless like a little pair of plaid shorts timeless"
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"text": "A little pair of like white cottony, maybe even linen-y sort of like short shorts."
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"text": "I think that all of those are timeless, but I think anything that s too stylized is just simply going to be trendy because the silhouette already, it can go trendy very quickly just by nature."
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"text": "Okay, next we have, I m gonna have to describe this, and I hope that you ll follow."
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"text": "Open front sleeve tops."
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"text": "A long sleeve shirt, except the only thing that exists are the sleeves, okay?"
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"text": "Let s just say this, if you were to put one of these on by themselves, you would be showing all of your boobs and all of your stomach."
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"text": "You d be completely exposed."
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"text": "I ve actually worn one before, I think, on my Instagram."
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"text": "It s cute."
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"text": "And I like that element of it, but it is ultimately pointless, which is why I think it is just simply a trend."
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"text": "Okay, next we have intense sort of acid washed denim."
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"text": "dirty orange like almost grease stained looking wash on denim it s kind of has sort of like an acid it almost looks like bleach was thrown on a pair of like pants and it sat for like one minute and it didn t all the way go through but it kind of left like a weird orangey greasy feel to them i can t explain it i was talking about this with someone the other day because"
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"text": "Like instead of going on that hunt for the vintage pairs that are good, maybe I ll buy some new pairs and like have them forever."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Like that was kind of the vibe, right?"
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"text": "I was looking around and I was like, all of these washes on the jeans are so trendy."
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"text": "Like they re not timeless."
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"text": "Like if you want a pair of jeans that already look sort of worn in,"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "they don t have it down."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Like the only way to get that look in a way that doesn t look trendy is by buying old jeans."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Otherwise, it can look too manufactured and it looks trendy because I think anytime anything is fake, it s bound to be a little trendy."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Like another example would be a t-shirt that has a bunch of rips in it, sort of simulating like a worn in t-shirt."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "but it s a bit you know it s clearly manufactured it s clearly a new shirt that has rips put in it by the brand okay you can tell when a shirt is genuinely vintage and like worn in and has holes in it or if it s a shirt from a store that has rips put in it by Urban Outfitters you see what I m saying that will always be trendy like when there s an illusion happening of like something being worn in or something happening naturally like it s mimicking vintage clothing"
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"text": "And for whatever reason, which is shocking to me because I feel like we have so much technology today."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I m shocked that they re not sort of replicating the look of something being super worn in better because they re not."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Like jeans that are supposed to look worn in, it looks fake worn in."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Like that s actually a style on its own."
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"text": "And I don t know."
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"text": "It s just not timeless to me."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Like it s, it s not timeless to me because it s not real."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I don t know."
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"text": "There s something about that that I think"
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"text": "will not stand the test of time."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Whereas like going and getting vintage jeans that are actually just worn in, I do think that that s timeless."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And you can tell that they re authentically worn in."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Same thing with like, you know, if you want a cool ripped up t-shirt, you can find a trillion of those in the thrift store."
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"text": "You know what I mean?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And it actually looks authentically ripped up, right?"
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"text": "Anyway, so going back to this sort of intense acid washed sort of oily, greasy looking denim,"
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"text": "It s sort of mimicking distressed genes, but it s not really distressed."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s faux distressed, right?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It falls into that category, but in an even more extreme way where it s like something that I don t even think could happen in nature."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I don t even think they re like trying to mimic something that would happen in nature."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s more just a way of treating the denim."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I just don t know."
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"text": "I think the only denim that s timeless is the classic colors like blue jeans, black jeans, white jeans, whatever."
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"text": "Or those in various forms of natural distressing."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Like I almost think"
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"text": "The best way to go is just to buy either pre-distressed jeans, right?"
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"text": "If you want something like fully, truly timeless, buy them pre-distressed if you want a distressed look."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Or buy a bunch of pairs new and just wear them like every day and wear them in yourself and get them dirty."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "paint in them and go hiking in them and do all this shit and break them down yourself, you know?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "To get that sort of more distressed, stylized look."
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"text": "I think that s sort of cool."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Am I gonna do that?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "No, I m going to hunt for the pre-distressed ones because I m lazy."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "But I think that that s the only form of timeless denim."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Do I think, though, that different sort of intense washes of jeans can be cool?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Yes, I ve worn these things."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I think that they re fun, but I m already starting to sort of cringe at them."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Like, it s already starting to just look kind of stale to me."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "so there we go okay next we have track pants and track shorts there s sort of a lot of sporty stuff going on more than just track pants and track shorts however they re the most popular things that i m seeing like sort of just like a classic adidas or nike simple pair of track pants like"
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"text": "straight leg, usually in classic colors like black, blue, red, et cetera."
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"text": "I m gonna go ahead and call these timeless."
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"text": "I think that these are timeless."
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"text": "It kind of reminds me of a pleated skirt."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s like the pleated skirt feels very tennis, very schoolgirl, school uniform vibe, preppy."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And it can be styled in ways that are trendy."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "But I think that it s ultimately a closet staple because it s so versatile and it can be mixed and matched in so many ways."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "But I don t think, OK, imagine a pair of track pants or track shorts."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "with a white tank top and like a pair of sneakers."
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"text": "Are we ever going to look back at that and cringe?"
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"text": "Absolutely not."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Imagine a simple pleated skirt with like a little cute crew neck sweater, a scrunchie little sock, and a sneaker."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Are we ever going to cringe at that?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I don t, I doubt it."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I doubt it."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s just, it is sort of timeless."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "This is making me realize a good way to test if something s trendy or timeless."
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"text": "If you were to pair a certain trend with an otherwise simple outfit, what would happen?"
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"text": "Let s take track pants, for example, right?"
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"text": "I used the white tank top and simple little sneaker as an example."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "The track pants just fit into that simple outfit so well, and you know that if you look back on that later, it fits in very well with a simple outfit."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It feels classic."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Let s take something like intense acid-washed denim, right?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Pair that with a white t-shirt and boots, let s say."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s such a loud piece of clothing."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s so extreme."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "that that pair of pants overpowers the simple outfit."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It doesn t just seamlessly blend into the simple outfit."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "That to me is a sign of trendy."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Another example would be, let s say a pair of leopard print pants."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Same idea."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s like it overshadows the simple outfit."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Therefore, I think that makes it trendy."
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"text": "I m not sure that that s"
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"text": "a great test 100% of the time."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Listen, the patent on that is pending."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Okay."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s not fully proved yet."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "You know, we haven t done enough studies on it."
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"text": "I m bringing this to the scientists at Stanford University."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "They re going to get back to me."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s all good."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "But I think that that might be a good test."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "We ll try it a few more times and see how it stands up."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "see how it holds up."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "But I m going to go ahead and say track pants and track shorts are timeless."
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"text": "I m seeing them paired in more trendy ways, like people are wearing them with little ballet flats, which is definitely a trend, you know?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "That sort of combination is unusual."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s something new."
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"text": "It s definitely trendy."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "But I think as individual pieces, they re timeless."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Okay, next we have classic authentic camo."
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"text": "I m not talking about camo like the blocky like camo that you see on a third grader s backpack."
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"text": "I m talking about like hunting camo, okay?"
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"text": "Like the camo that like people who go hunting wear, where it has like a bunch of branches on it."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Do you know what I m talking about that camo?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "That s been very trendy recently."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I think that all camo is trendy because it s a pattern that was created ultimately for a certain function."
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"text": "Like camo was created to help people who like hunting to hide in the woods better"
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"text": "from prey that they want to shoot, okay?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Or in the army or, you know, whatever, people were wearing camo to blend in to their surroundings."
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"text": "Like, I think because they serve a specific purpose for specific people who are doing specific things, I also think because it s rooted in, like, violent activity for the most part,"
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"text": "I don t know, I don t necessarily see it being a timeless thing as a fashion statement."
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"text": "Like, obviously camo s gonna be timeless for people who enjoy hunting, or obviously there s no fashion trends for people who are in the army."
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"text": "They re wearing that for function simply."
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"text": "Like, that s a different thing, okay?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "But for, you know, people frolicking around New York City, like, wearing a camo long-sleeve shirt, they re not hunting and they re not in the army, I ll tell you that."
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"text": "So because it ultimately has a function and it s not being used for that function, and because it s rooted in violent activity, I think at a certain point people will be like, wait a minute, why are we wearing camo?"
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"text": "This is a little weird."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Like I could see that happening as like a unit, like as a whole, people will be like, wait, this is kind of weird."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Like, why are we wearing this?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Like, this isn t for us."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Like, I m not a hunter."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I don t hunt."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Why am I wearing this?"
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"text": "The only thing that makes me think it could be timeless is that there is sort of a surplus, I feel like, of camo things."
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"text": "All different types of camo."
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"text": "Like, I feel like every time I m at a thrift store, I see so much camo shit, which makes me think it is kind of good and cool that it s a trend because it s like, you know, we re buying those things from the thrift store and putting them to use, which is cool."
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"text": "But I think it s trendy."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "For the reasons that I stated, I think it s trendy."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Do I have anything camo?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I don t."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I remember camo was really like the classic like blocky camo that, again, you see on a third grader s backpack."
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"text": "That was so trendy in like 2016."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And everybody had those like bright colored camo pants."
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"text": "I really hope you remember those."
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"text": "If you don t, maybe consider yourself lucky."
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"text": "That was super trendy."
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"text": "And that came and went so fast, like in a year."
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"text": "And for a while there, people were really put off camo."
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"text": "You would not see it around, because it had such a moment, and then it really just didn t."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And then camo sort of came back."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I don t know."
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"text": "It s coming back now, but it s more classic camos."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "So we ll see."
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"text": "We will see what happens."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Next, we have lace."
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"text": "I ve been seeing so much lace."
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"text": "And I don t know."
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"text": "I feel like lace was not having a moment for a while there."
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"text": "And it s definitely back."
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"text": "I think that there are ways that it s used that are not."
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"text": "Like, for example, I saw, I was gathering my items for this video and I saw this pair of pants."
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"text": "They re like a yoga pant, almost like a flared yoga pant with like a lace waistband."
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"text": "And I remember"
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"text": "those being popular in like 2000 what I don t know six probably I can t even remember and it s back that is so trendy you know like it s kind of kitschy it s kind of extra I think lace in that way is trendy but lace in like a corset like a like a lace corset or like I don t know like lace tights or for layering and stuff or"
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"text": "Oh, it also depends on the color of lace."
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"text": "Like, I think black lace, white lace, beige lace, like even red lace, like very classic colors, timeless."
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"text": "But on the specific pair of pants that I was just talking about, the yoga pants, it was bright neon pink lace, okay?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Anything neon pink, anything neon colored ever is trendy, period."
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"text": "I will say nothing further in my opinion, very trendy."
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"text": "I think lace as a whole is timeless though."
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"text": "If it s in like a neon color, yeah, that s trendy."
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"text": "But for the most part,"
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"text": "Like, it is very beautiful."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And when it s used in a way that s classic and cool and sort of understated, wow, it can be so incredible."
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"text": "I m into it."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I m into it."
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"text": "I love it."
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"text": "And I think that it is timeless."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "when it s done right."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s been around for so long."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "You know, lace has been around for so long."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And I think when something has stood the test of time for that long, and it has come up over and over and over and over again for that long, it has to be timeless."
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"text": "Next, this is the trendiest one of the day."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Okay, I can t believe that these are back."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I m absolutely shaking in my boots, literally."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Heeled sneakers, okay?"
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "These were trendy for about three minutes."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Back in the day, I don t even remember when."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I feel like it was a fever dream."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I cannot remember when it happened."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Sneakers with a heel."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Converse with a heel, Skechers with a heel."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Like, literally looks like a sneaker, but it has a heel."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "These are so trendy."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s unbelievable."
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{
"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And they re back in right now."
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{
"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I m seeing them everywhere."
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{
"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I am seeing them everywhere."
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{
"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And I am, I m speechless to see these back again."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I really thought that these were going to be a one month wonder in like 2007 or whenever they were happening."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "But no, they re back."
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{
"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "They re totally back."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And I feel like they ve been back now for quite a few months and they re not going away."
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"text": "They haven t really hit mainstream though."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "They re not like full mainstream."
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{
"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "but I m seeing them, and it is shocking to me."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I actually, I ultimately do not like them."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Actually, I hate them, to be honest."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I ve seen people style them cute."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Like, I m not a full hater."
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"text": "I don t hate the people wearing them."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I hate them, okay?"
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "But I actually respect their bravery, and they re being, you know, they re exploring, and they re making it work, and it s kind of impressive."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "So to the people who are wearing them, fuck yes."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Don t listen to me."
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{
"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Keep pushing."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I don t like them."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I will never wear them."
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{
"chunk": "4",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "But these will be gone tomorrow again."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I can guarantee you that."
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"chunk": "4",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "They re too goofy."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "They re too silly."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I wonder if heels like high heels will ever go out of style like altogether."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I don t know."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Probably not."
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"chunk": "4",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "They re too classic."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I wonder if there ll ever be a phase where like, I don t know, like the heel goes out of style."
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"text": "I just don t know what would replace it."
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"chunk": "4",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Yeah, no."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Those are just timeless."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Like there ll never be nothing."
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"chunk": "4",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I don t know what would replace them, what would take their place."
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"chunk": "4",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Listen, I m just saying this because I want them to go out of style and I want"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "nobody to wear them anymore because then I don t wear them either."
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{
"chunk": "4",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "No, I just shouldn t wear them now."
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{
"chunk": "4",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "That s ridiculous."
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"chunk": "4",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "But, okay, next we have mid to low-waisted pants with a flare at the bottom, like a little bootcut sort of flare."
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"chunk": "4",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "This is a very popular pant silhouette right now."
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"chunk": "4",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I have, I believe, one pair of pants like this."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "You know what?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I actually think that this silhouette is timeless."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I don t think, like,"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Unless they re too low-waisted."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "If they re too low-waisted, then they re trendy, because I think anything that s super low-waisted or super high-waisted, like those types of extremes, trendy."
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"text": "But if they re like a mid-to-low waist, you know, and they re in like a simple color, and the design is not too overwhelming, I think that s a timeless silhouette."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "that wasn t necessarily in for a minute."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "However, I don t think that they re ever out all the way."
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"text": "Like, a full-on, like, 70s, like, flared pant, like, flare, where it s, like, flared out really wide."
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"text": "It s, like, bell-bottom."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s flare, flare, flare."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "That s trendy."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Again, too extreme."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s like, that has a moment every once in a while, and then it is gone."
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"text": "Like, those are not trendy right now, I don t think."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "But, like, a little, cute, minor boot-cut flare,"
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"text": "I think that that s always in."
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"text": "It s just, it s cute and it s feminine and it s fun and like, and it s versatile."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And I think for the most part, those are never going out."
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"text": "I think it depends on the color and the pattern and the material."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I think that that all comes into play."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Like I think the silhouette is timeless, but I think when it comes to individual pieces, it depends on the actual fabrics and color choices and things like that that are made, but overall timeless."
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"text": "Next, wide belts."
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"text": "I m talking about like a wide belt, like three inches wide."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "You know, a lot of times you ll see them over a mini skirt."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I ve even seen them worn as tops, sometimes over like a dress, maybe like lower on the hip."
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"text": "really wide belt."
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"text": "You know, I think with accessories, it really comes down to styling, whether or not it s timeless."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s like probably two or three inches wide."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "No, it probably is like three inches wide."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And it has like a big, you know, silver buckle on it."
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"text": "For some reason, that feels timeless to me."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It does."
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"text": "Whereas I think about maybe a really big belt with a bunch of studs on it or something."
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"text": "That s obviously not timeless to me."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I think that they can be timeless, depending on how they re styled, so what you pair them with."
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"text": "And then also, again, what s the design like?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "What s going on with the design?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Like is it something simple like a red with a silver buckle that s sort of just classic colors, simple, whatever?"
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"text": "Or is it something with studs on it and like charms hanging off of it and shit and it s like crazy?"
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"text": "I m gonna lean on big extreme belts being trendy because I think for the most part they are."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "But I think that they can be timeless if they re styled properly and they re the right, you know, like color scheme and stuff like that."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "But then again, like a big belt is so like unusable."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "You re not even really using it for anything."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Again, it s not holding your pants up like the belt intended."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "So maybe it is just trendy because again, anything that s not really serving a purpose and it s sort of just."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "slapped on there is sort of doomed to be trendy, right?"
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"chunk": "4",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "So maybe it is just trendy."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Let s just say 80% trendy for that one."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Okay, next we have tacky shit."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Like, purposely tacky shit."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I m talking about like,"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "t-shirts that have like a bunch of rhinestones on them and like super like early 2000s like have a bunch of rhinestones on them will have like sometimes like a cross on it or like a quote on it or whatever and and people buy these things I used to buy them too because they re tacky like it was on purpose it was like"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "The point of this is that it s, like, early 2000s tacky, you know?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "There ll be, like, frayed denim with, like, rhinestones on it, like, hats that, I don t know, have, like, a crown on them and, like, a bunch of, like, rhinestones all over them."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "You know what I m saying?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Like, purposely tacky stuff."
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"chunk": "4",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "By now, you know what I m gonna say, okay?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "This is obviously trendy."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I think it s like funny though to lean into things that are silly like this every once in a while like even though these things are ultimately very trendy and will last for literally a blip of time which is why it s like yeah maybe don t go buy these things maybe go into like a gift shop and take a selfie with"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "you know one of these hats on or something but like this is ultimately a trend so maybe don t buy it just take a pic in it for the memory I think it is fun though that s the thing like it s a terrible idea to participate in the trend go purchase these types of things but like if your mom has like"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "something like that from 2005 and you want to put it on, then like hell yeah, participate."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "But like going out of your way to participate in it, it s going to be over any minute now."
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"chunk": "4",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s already almost over, you know, because it s so tacky."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Like there s a way to do funny tacky that I think works."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Like being tacky on purpose is a trend right now."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "You know, you see people wearing like, people are starting to want to wear like yoga pants with the lace sort of waistband or like, you know, like a super dramatic, like big juicy couture purse."
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"text": "Like these things are coming back into the zeitgeist, you know, and it s fun."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Like I get it."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s fun."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s like,"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "nostalgic and costume-esque in a way and it s fun, but it comes in fast and it goes out even faster."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Oh, that s great."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "That s funny."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "But that s timeless."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "You ll never even want to get rid of that."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Or like, I have this bag that has a banana."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s a simple black bag, but it has like a real banana on it."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Like it looks like it has a real banana on it."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "The design of it is very simple and it is a goofy thing, but I think I ll use that bag for years because it s simple and it s weirdly versatile."
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"text": "I can wear that bag with anything, shockingly."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It goes with a lot of stuff."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "So you can be sort of funny and silly with your fashion without buying something that s going to be out just as fast as it came in, you know?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Next, Harley Davidson."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Harley Davidson has been in for like six years now, and I think it s kind of going out now."
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"text": "I don t know, like, I still really like some Harley Davidson stuff."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Like, I like the motorcycle vibe, like the motorcycle jacket, like the motorcycle t-shirts, like the old ripped up Harley t-shirts."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Like, I do actually like them."
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"chunk": "4",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "But I think that it kind of got overdone, like I really do."
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"text": "And I want that to be timeless because Harley-Davidson is like such a classic brand."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And I don t know, they ve made so much cool stuff over the years."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "So like you can go and buy such cool vintage Harley-Davidson stuff."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "But I do think that it got overdone, and I think that it is now something that s trendy."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I don t know."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I m bummed, though, because I like Harley Davidson, maybe because my grandpa"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Was like a motorcycle dude."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "So I d like he always had a Harley Davidson stuff."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "So I m like Maybe I m emotionally attached and it s just a trend."
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"text": "And maybe hopefully I can inspire you to get better about that."
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"text": "Although you re on your own journey and I m not judging you and I love you regardless."
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"text": "Anyway, all of that to say, let me know what you think."
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"text": "Do you agree?"
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"text": "Do you think some of these things are timeless?"
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"text": "When I said they re trendy, vice versa."
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"text": "Let me know what you think."
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"text": "You can let me know on the Instagram at anythinggoes."
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"text": "Check out my Instagram if you want and Emma Chamberlain, see what I ve been up to."
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"text": "Check out my coffee company, Chamberlain Coffee."
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"text": "As always, it s a pleasure."
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"text": "I guess no one is, but as it stands now, TikTok still exists, and I will be redownloading it on my phone."
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"text": "In fact, I haven t redownloaded it yet, but I m going to redownload it right now, and I m going to do it with you"
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"text": "But I really, my fingers crossed that I m starting to reach social media nirvana."
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"text": "Okay, I have to go now."
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"text": "I love you all."
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"text": "I appreciate you all."
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"text": "Thank you all for listening and supporting me in all the ways that you do."
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"text": "I m so fucking grateful."
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"text": "Listen, new episodes of Anything Goes, Thursdays, Sundays, anywhere that you stream podcasts."
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"text": "All the video is exclusive to Spotify."
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"text": "You can check me out on Instagram at Emma Chamberlain."
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"text": "Check out my coffee company at Chamberlain Coffee."
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"text": "Welcome back to Advice Session where I give you advice about various dilemmas that you all have sent me on Instagram at anythinggoes."
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"text": "And you can choose to take or leave this advice."
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"text": "And today I gathered various dilemmas that you all are experiencing in regards to whether or not you should leave your partner."
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"text": "That was a reoccurring theme."
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"text": "And I empathize with this because it s one of the hardest decisions to make in life, whether or not you should leave someone."
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"text": "And this applies to any type of relationship in life."
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"text": "There are times when there are family members that you need to distance yourself from."
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"text": "There are times when there are friends that you need to distance yourself from."
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"text": "So, okay."
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"text": "But it s not that serious, you know?"
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"text": "And I think there can be moments of doubt, you know, like, hey, should I be like exploring different options?"
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"text": "So I feel like even though you re young, it doesn t mean like you re blinded to the world around you."
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"text": "Like if you start to feel like, ah, you know what, there are things out here that I,"
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"text": "If something s happy and healthy and feels good, you just got to run with it."
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"text": "And you ll know when it s time to leave if that time ever comes."
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"text": "Don t just leave because you feel like you re supposed to."
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"text": "Because society s like, you re not supposed to get married until this age, or you re not supposed to find the love of your life until this age."
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"text": "I m an adult."
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"text": "So yeah, I think ride it out."
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"text": "Anyway."
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"text": "And if you did, feel free to DM on Instagram at Anything Goes and send in various dilemmas that you re going through right now and maybe you might be included in a future advice session."
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"text": "Follow me on Instagram at Emma Chamberlain."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And that s all I have for today."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I love you all and I appreciate you all and I just hope that you re doing awesome and having fun and living life to the fullest and feeling various emotions and sinking into them and enjoying the experience of what it is to be human."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Love you all."
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"chunk": "2",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "People are going to be like, hear me say shit like that and not think that I m, they ll be like, oh, so she s not kidding."
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"text": "She means that."
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"text": "She s slowly trying to become a cult leader."
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"text": "Cringe."
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"text": "Have I talked about it before?"
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"text": "Yes."
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"text": "Have I said everything there is to be said?"
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"text": "Yes."
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"text": "Am I revisiting it today because it s still sort of an issue in my personal life and I m trying to work through it with all of you?"
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"text": "Yes."
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"text": "should be over necessarily, I sound like, listen, I know I sound like your mom or your dad or your grandma or your uncle coming to you at Thanksgiving being like, you need to get off that phone."
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"text": "This is just the reality of who I am."
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"text": "I ve said this before also, but it s almost like I have a mom, like a built-in mom in my own brain."
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"text": "And those two sides of my brain are constantly fighting."
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"text": "But today I m going to be talking from the mom in my brain."
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"text": "the grandma in my brain for the most part."
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"text": "I m going to warn you."
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"text": "We live in a time where you don t have to be bored anymore."
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"text": "Oh, you ve never heard that before."
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"text": "I know."
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"text": "You know why."
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"text": "There s endless entertainment, readily available at all times, and it s addictive."
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"text": "Everything going on around us pushes us towards overstimulation in one way or another."
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"text": "And I came to the conclusion the other day that I need to allow myself to be bored more often."
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"text": "Now, this is not a conclusion that I m coming to for the first time, okay?"
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"text": "I have talked about this, but I ve come to the conclusion again recently that, you know what?"
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"text": "Based on my experience with doing it a year ago, that was kind of true."
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"text": "And I think by doing a longer but less strict version of it, I ll learn more about what s sustainable for my life"
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"text": "However, I think that there is something weirdly cool about liking things that are choogy in an unapologetic way."
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"text": "Like, there s some really incredible things that are considered choogy."
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"text": "And so today, I wanna talk about all the things that I love that are choogy."
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"text": "So I already sort of went on my rant about the Stanley Cup, so that was my first item, but I think that we ve said enough there."
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"text": "Actually, no, we haven t."
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"text": "I m just gonna say one more thing about the Stanley Cup."
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"text": "I truly do believe that this is a timeless item."
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"text": "Hear me out."
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"text": "I use my Stanley Cup every single day, and even when it s not cool anymore, it s already not cool."
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"text": "I don t think I m gonna be onto the next cup, because it s not about that for me."
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"text": "Like, this cup,"
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"text": "is the most useful cup I ve ever used."
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"text": "Like, I enjoy these cups simply because they are a phenomenal product, not because they re trendy."
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"text": "And I think a lot of people feel that way."
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"text": "Not everyone, but I think a lot of people feel that way."
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"text": "which is why I don t feel like they re just some stupid trend."
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"text": "Like the quality is way too high."
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"text": "The design is way too smart."
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"text": "It s just done way too well."
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"text": "I don t know."
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"text": "Like I, I just think it s a timeless cup that I m going to use for years to come."
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"text": "Even when a new cup comes along, if the new cup is better, okay, maybe, but I can t imagine a new, better cup coming onto the market anytime soon."
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"text": "That s more functional than this one."
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"text": "It just,"
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"text": "So, I don t know, we ll see, but I think it s a timeless cup."
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"text": "Next, I was on a road trip recently and I stopped at some gas stations that had gift shops and I was looking around at all this stuff and I was like, wow, all of this is chewggy."
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"text": "Okay, we have magnets with inspirational quotes, we have"
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"text": "little wooden sculptures like of animals and we have baseball caps that have quotes on them and we have all this shit right and every single time I stopped at one of these gift shops I spent at least an hour looking at everything and there were moments when I found things that I actually really liked"
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"text": "OK, there were some corny hats where I was like, I m holding back."
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"text": "Some corny magnets that were appealing to me."
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"text": "OK, like, you know, a funny one that s like, I don t know, like a magnet of someone sneaking tequila into their coffee."
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"text": "I was like, that s classic me."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I ve never done that."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
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"text": "I love coffee."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "That s so funny."
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"text": "I love that."
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"text": "The little wooden sculptures of animals."
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"text": "Okay, you know what, I ll admit it, I bought one."
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"text": "Actually, I bought two."
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"text": "I bought one for me and I bought one for my mom."
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"text": "Are they a little choogy?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Yeah."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I bought home decor from the gas station, but like, there s something so charming about little items that you can get at a gift shop."
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"text": "And a majority of it is corny."
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"text": "Majority of it is choogy."
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"text": "I d argue 95%."
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"text": "However, there s something so magical about this trademark chugginess that comes from touristy gift shops that I actually love."
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"text": "Not only do I love looking at all of it, but every once in a while I ll find something that I think could fit into my life in one way or another, and it s always something that I cherish."
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"text": "I love touristy gift shops."
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"text": "A few summers ago when I was in the south of France, there were like, those were not choogy at all."
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"text": "Actually, there was nothing choogy."
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"text": "Maybe they would be choogy to people who live in the south of France."
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"text": "As an American, it was not cringe to me."
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"text": "But that s sort of that s a rare example of it being cool."
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"text": "Most of the time it s shitty and it s cringe and it s choogy, but I fucking love it."
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"text": "And a few times they took me and my parents to Disneyland with them for a fun little trip."
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"text": "And I don t think that there s anything more magical than Disney for a child."
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"text": "I have this vivid memory of staying in the hotel that s on the Disneyland Park premises and every night they would leave a little chocolate coin under my pillow that had a little Disney character on it and I would eat that before bed and then I d wake up in the morning and I d go down for breakfast and like I d be eating my breakfast and then all of a sudden"
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"text": "Recently I realized, I don t hate Disneyland."
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"text": "The roller coasters don t feel scary, which is amazing for me, because I have way too much anxiety to go on a roller coaster that goes upside down."
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"text": "I m not interested in that."
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"text": "They re not scary, but they re still exhilarating, I think, from what I can remember."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "That sounds absolutely amazing."
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"text": "And I don t think I m ever going to be a Disney adult."
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"text": "I don t think it s ever going to be a part of my personality."
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"text": "And I hope that they will have me with open arms after my years of hating on them."
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"text": "OK, this next one s going to be controversial."
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"text": "Infinity Scarves."
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"text": "Hear me out."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I know infinity scarves were all the rage in like 2010."
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"text": "It s just one big loop and you wrap it around your neck until it looks right."
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"text": "Usually once or twice."
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"text": "I never thought I d be saying this."
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"text": "But infinity scarves are incredibly convenient and I think that they can be styled in a cool way."
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"text": "I know that we all think of infinity scarves and we think of 2014."
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"text": "I get it."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I know the image that you all have in your head."
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"text": "I beg of you to rethink."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Think of a simple black infinity scarf."
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"text": "Now think of it paired with a more modern 2024 outfit."
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"text": "It could work."
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"text": "Here s the reason why I love infinity scarves, because they are incredibly convenient."
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"text": "A regular scarf cannot even come close to the convenience of an infinity scarf."
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"text": "When the weather s cold and you re running around, like, I m thinking of myself running around New York City in January when it s fucking frigid, and I m thinking about,"
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"text": "I don t have any of those memories."
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"text": "It s similar to my feelings about a cross body bag."
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"text": "Cross body bags are not hot."
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"text": "I understand that."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
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"text": "that it makes them worth trying to make them feel modern and cool and trendy."
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"text": "It s the same thing with an infinity scarf."
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"text": "It has a negative connotation, but I think that their convenience makes them something that should not be forgotten, should not be left in 2014."
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"text": "Next winter, because I m a little late to this, I didn t realize how much I loved infinity scarves until I tried to figure out what I loved that was chewy."
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"text": "Winter 2025."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Yep."
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"text": "It might look a little bit bad, similar to a cross body bag, but I think it can be pulled off."
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"text": "I do actually think those are timeless."
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"text": "I think of like a surfer dude wearing them and I m like, that ll never not be cool."
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"text": "Like if you saw a photo of a surfer dude wearing them after the surf, it s like that will never not be cool."
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"text": "I think of somebody wearing like a simple UGG boot with a jean over it maybe and like a Carhartt jacket in a hoodie and like to me that s a timeless outfit."
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"text": "I don t think anyone s going to look back at that and be like, that s cringe."
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"text": "I think it s these other ones that are."
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"text": "And I don t like the ones that are chewy from 2014."
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"text": "So I guess it s not that I think of boots are chewy and I love them anyway."
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"text": "People lump in all the different styles of Ugg boots and then call them all chuggy."
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"text": "And I m here to say that there are some Ugg boots that are not chuggy and they re the ones that I like."
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"text": "Okay."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "In my opinion, that is so talky of me, but you get what I m saying."
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"text": "Next, we have a shoe again that I ve talked about before."
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"text": "Boat shoes like Sperry s."
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"text": "When I think of middle school, high school, preppy kid, I think of vineyard vines and I think of sparrows."
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"text": "And I know a lot of us think that sparrows are chewy because in a lot of ways,"
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"text": "Then a few months later, two or three months later, I m at the Miu Miu fashion show in Paris."
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"text": "And guess what I see on the goddamn runway?"
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"text": "Holy shit, it s boat shoes."
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"text": "This has never happened to me."
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"text": "It ll probably never happen to me again."
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"text": "It was a coincidence, but they re trending again."
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"text": "However, they re still a polarizing shoe."
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"text": "Even though they re starting to make their way back into the zeitgeist, they re not quite there yet."
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"text": "They re considered choogy."
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"text": "I don t know."
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"text": "I really do."
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"text": "All of these things I think are timeless, and I don t think they re choogy."
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"text": "I think they just got wrapped up in other trends that are choogy, and that s what left them in the past."
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"text": "Also, one time, Sperry s had to do a post, I think, because people thought that they paid me to say that I thought boat shoes were coming back."
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"text": "That did not happen."
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"text": "I would get sued if I said that, and then I didn t disclose it."
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"text": "I am not interested in fraud, okay?"
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"text": "So, if you re interested in fraud, find that elsewhere."
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"text": "It s not coming from me."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Next, we have"
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"text": "my last shoe apparently shoes are like very controversial oh my god wow I could list shoes all day now that I m thinking about it like what I was about to say was flip-flops but also like Merrells are kind of coming back into style even though those are considered chuggy and those don t really bother me those actually might be timeless I can t tell but anyway let s stick to flip-flops because I haven t really given enough thought"
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"text": "I like them, but I m not like passionate, whereas I m passionate about flip flops."
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"text": "Last summer I rediscovered the flip flop and I was like, no, this is not Chugi."
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"text": "Ultimately it s a classic sandal and it s the only sandal to me that s not Chugi."
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"text": "Even kind of over the Birkenstock sandal that has the double strap over the top of the foot, I still love the Birkenstock clog."
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"text": "That is not choogy to me yet."
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"text": "They re all a little chuggy, but flip-flops are chuggy in a way that I like."
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"text": "Like I like the cringy snapping sound that they make when you walk."
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"text": "I like the little tan that you get on your foot when you re wearing flip-flops."
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"text": "I like how they look with jeans."
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"text": "I like how they look with a cute little pair of, like, Bermuda shorts that goes down to your knees."
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"text": "Like, I kinda fuck with it."
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"text": "And there are some people who are gonna think that flip-flops are still choogy."
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"text": "I get it."
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"text": "But I think that they re the best summer sandal."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "That reveal toe, anyway."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I don t know."
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"chunk": "2",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Okay, next."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Emojis."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Using emojis."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "talking about emojis, emoji usage is considered choogy, especially when it s overdone."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I am an emoji overuser."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Now, I have a reason for this."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s because I use emojis"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "in the way that God intended, which is to add more dimension to my text message, to tell more of a story, to demonstrate more of my emotions, to allow the other person to understand my tone."
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"text": "Emojis are incredibly helpful."
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"text": "They re fun."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "They re simply fun."
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"text": "Like,"
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"chunk": "2",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Can we give ourselves that for a minute?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Emojis are fun."
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"text": "They re fun to use."
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"chunk": "2",
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"text": "It s fun to scroll through the emoji catalog when writing a text and to choose the one that works just right."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "My God, is that fun."
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"text": "And so I understand why it s choogy and cringy to use too many emojis."
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"text": "Why?"
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"text": "Because it s something that, you know, adults do to try to be cool, to fit in with the kids."
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"text": "Like all the kids are using emojis these days."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I m going to use emojis."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And then they use emojis that are cringe."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And it s like, and they overuse them and they send too many."
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"text": "And it s like, I get it."
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"text": "Not only are they helpful to demonstrate tone, but they re just simply there."
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"text": "So why not?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "You know what I m saying?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "They re there."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "So why not use them?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I don t know."
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"text": "I love emojis."
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"text": "I m not going and watching the emoji movie."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Okay."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I haven t seen that."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Although I did hear it was kind of good from a usually sarcastic source."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "So actually I need to ask them again if they actually liked it."
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"chunk": "2",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "But anyway, I love emojis and I love overusing them."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Next we have horrible, choogy television."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I ll give you some examples."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Ink Masters, a tattoo competition show where contestants compete to win to be the best tattoo artist."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And the show, if you Google it right now, it s very chuggy."
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"chunk": "2",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Okay, then we also have Drinkmasters, a show where mixologists, bartenders, compete to be the best bartender mixologist."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "The way that that show is shot and done, it s very chuggy."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "You know, we have shows like Is It Cake?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "on Netflix, where it s a show where"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "these people make things, make cakes that are supposed to look like real things."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And then it s like a game show trying to figure out what s real and what s cake and who can make the best cake that looks the most like a real thing."
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"text": "And anyway, all of these shows that are not necessarily cool, like, okay, what s a cool show?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Like Game of Thrones or White Lotus or"
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"text": "Even like Breaking Bad or something, I don t know, shows that are considered cool to like, right?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "These shows are not that."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "If you look up any of these shows, you ll be like, this is choogy."
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"chunk": "2",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Okay."
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"chunk": "2",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s trying too hard to be funny at times."
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"chunk": "2",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s shot in a way that s just choogy, like overly saturated and dramatic."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And like, it s just choogy, right?"
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"text": "I m so sorry, but nothing tames my anxiety better than this type of television."
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"chunk": "2",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "My God, do I love it."
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"chunk": "2",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Like, the other day I was having dinner with someone and they were like, can we watch TV?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And I was like, yes."
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"chunk": "2",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "What a treat."
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"chunk": "2",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Let s do that."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Turn on the TV."
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"chunk": "2",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And they re like, what should we watch?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And I was like, ugh."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And I m kind of scrolling around and I see the show, Is It Cake?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And I was like, you know what?"
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"chunk": "2",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Please."
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"chunk": "2",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And they were like, Emma, are you fucking with me?"
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"chunk": "2",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I was like, mm, mm, please."
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"text": "Because I was kind of anxious that day."
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{
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I was like, this just looks good to me."
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{
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Chugi TV, OK?"
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{
"chunk": "2",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Let me tell you what s so great about it."
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{
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Number one, the cast of characters in these shows are always so comforting for some reason."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "They re normal, chill, cool people who just are really good at one thing, and they tend to just be sweet, and they don t make you feel insecure about yourself."
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"text": "They re always very comforting people, whereas if you go and watch Game of Thrones, there s all these hot people in it, and everyone s in these dramatic costumes, and there s all this action."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "it s just not as approachable."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Okay."
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{
"chunk": "2",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "So that s number one."
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{
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Number two, the subject matter is low stakes."
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{
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Like you don t really care that much about the outcome."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Whereas you re watching game of thrones and you re like on the edge of your seat, like, Oh my God, what s going to happen?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Ah, what s going to happen?"
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{
"chunk": "2",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "You know what I mean?"
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{
"chunk": "2",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Again, great for anxiety."
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{
"chunk": "2",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "The chugginess is actually what makes it entertaining as well."
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{
"chunk": "2",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Like there s a novelty to when something s so chuggy that you re like, Oh my God, I can t take my eyes off because it s so chuggy."
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{
"chunk": "2",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s so cringe."
},
{
"chunk": "2",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s so, you know, like there s something engaging about that."
},
{
"chunk": "2",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "There s something fun about that."
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{
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I love Choogi TV."
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{
"chunk": "2",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Next, VSCO."
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{
"chunk": "2",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "This is very full circle for me because I used to be a very, very, very active user of VSCO."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "If you don t know what VSCO is, it is a photo editing app as well as sort of a social media where you can post artsy photos or photography if you re a photographer."
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{
"chunk": "2",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And it s pretty chill nowadays, like it s kind of under the radar these days, but used to be incredibly popular in like 2015, 2016, 2017."
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{
"chunk": "2",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Everybody would go on there and edit their photos because it was the first app that had relatively high quality filters."
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{
"chunk": "2",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And it was like a fun place to post artsy photos when social media first started to become a place where everybody was like, wait a minute, I want to be artsy too."
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{
"chunk": "2",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And then everyone was artsy."
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{
"chunk": "2",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And it was like, everyone was expressing themselves for the first time through photo."
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{
"chunk": "2",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And it was such a magical time."
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{
"chunk": "2",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And it was so fun."
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{
"chunk": "2",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "VSCO was actually like a really fun social media app to be a part of."
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{
"chunk": "2",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And I feel like it was almost always positive."
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{
"chunk": "2",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "You know, there was no comment section."
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{
"chunk": "2",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "There was no follower count."
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{
"chunk": "2",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It was just all about cool photos."
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{
"chunk": "2",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I took my VSCO very seriously."
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{
"chunk": "2",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I had a very curated feed and it was an obsession of mine in high school."
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"chunk": "2",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And my Instagram used to have super intense VSCO filters on them, like super heavily filtered."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And eventually that fell out of favor."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Using filters became choogy, right?"
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{
"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Especially Instagram filters, but VSCO filters as well."
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{
"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It became choogy to over-filter your photo."
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{
"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Well, I m here to say that I still use VSCO to edit photos sometimes."
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{
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And I still think it s a phenomenal app."
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{
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Okay."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "They have amazing filters."
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{
"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And listen, I m not a Photoshop like professional."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Okay."
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{
"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I ve never used Photoshop."
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{
"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I don t understand how to color grade on Photoshop."
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{
"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I m sure it d be helpful to learn and maybe at some point in my life I will, but I just never got around to it."
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{
"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And I think VSCO does great work for me, for Instagram."
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{
"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Like, I don t do it on my iPhone photos."
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{
"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Like, if I take a photo on the iPhone, I don t usually edit it."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "But if I take a photo on one of my DSLR cameras, I m sorry, but I ll throw that shit into VSCO and I ll edit it."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And I definitely edit it with a lighter hand than I used to."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I m not slapping the filter on and then calling it good."
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{
"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I m lightening the filter a lot."
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{
"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I m making it a lot less intense, but I m still using this goat filters."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I think that they re great."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And I ve just changed the way that I ve used the filters."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I don t know."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I still find them very useful."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I get the viscose cheugy, but I love that shit."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Next we have White Claw."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "So if you re unfamiliar with the White Claw, it is a very popular alcoholic seltzer."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "They were very popular in like 2016, 2017."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Well, a lot of people think that white claws are chewy."
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{
"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Like drinking a white claw is chewy."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And I understand why, because it had such a meteoric rise."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It was like the first really popular alcoholic seltzer in my generation anyway."
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{
"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It came out right when we were starting to drink."
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{
"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Gen Z was starting to drink."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And it was just like exciting."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "They re palatable."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "They re refreshing."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "They re pretty tasty."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I think they re tasty."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I like a white claw."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I get that they re chooky because it became like a thing, like, oh, you re having a party, like, you got to get a pack of claws, like, everybody, oh, my God, we re getting claws, everybody get claws."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Like, it became a thing."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s like, oh, my God, I drink two white claws, now I m drunk."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Like, it became this sort of, it became such a part of the zeitgeist that naturally it eventually became chooky."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I feel like when anything becomes too popular, it becomes chooky."
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{
"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "similar to the Stanley Cup."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I still fuck with a white claw."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I m sorry."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "You know, I ll tell you a story, actually, that is so fond to me, and it s in regards to a white claw."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I was in New York recently."
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"text": "And I d never been on the Staten Island ferry."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Okay."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Let me, let me give you some clarity."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I ve been to New York a lot and there s a lot of things that I ve not tried."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Okay."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Prior to this trip that I m discussing now, I had not been on the subway before."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I had not been on the Staten Island ferry before, et cetera, et cetera."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Those were two things that I did on that trip."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I went on the subway for the first time, loved it."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Absolutely loved it."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And then I also went on the Staten Island ferry."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Okay, just sort of checking off some things on the bucket list."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "So me and this person that I m with, we re like, like, should we like get a little snack or something to go on the ferry?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Like, what should we do?"
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{
"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And guess what we see?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "We see extra large white claws."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Huge."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Okay."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Huge."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Like double the size of a normal one."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "We buy those and we drink them on the side."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I mean that like, that s, I fucking love a white claw."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Like, that memory of me being on the Staten Island Ferry, okay, it would have been nice without the white claw, but with the fucking white claw, it made it even better."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "They still bring me joy."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "They still give me a nice little buzz."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Like, I just like a white claw."
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{
"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Sue me."
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{
"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And like, they re always a crowd pleaser."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Everyone loves them when you re throwing a party, if you get them."
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{
"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I don t know."
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{
"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Listen, I will say there are other seltzers that I prefer."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Like, I prefer a tequila seltzer."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Like, if I m buying them for my house, am I going to go buy a White Claw?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Not necessarily."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I m probably going to buy some sort of tequila seltzer."
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{
"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "But I like a White Claw still, and I don t care that they re chewy."
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{
"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Okay, next we have pop sockets."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Now, I don t have a pop socket on my phone currently, but pop sockets were all the rage back in the day."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "If you don t know what they are, they re a little"
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{
"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "sticky thing that sticks to the back of your phone and they re retractable."
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{
"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s like this little circular disc right on your phone but then if you pull out the disc it basically creates this sort of thing that you can grab onto with your fingers so that your phone sits more comfortably in your hand or you can"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "you know, stand it up on a table more easily and it has something to be propped up on."
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{
"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s just, okay, whatever."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Now, pop sockets became uncool over the last few years."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "They became chuggy over the last few years because again, I think that they just went too mainstream and then they naturally got rejected."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I was thinking about it the other day and I was like, I would get another pop socket like that."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "was actually a useful thing that I liked having on my phone."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It was actually handy and it was actually useful."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I used it all the time."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I used to play with it, like if I m waiting in the line at the grocery store, I d play with it."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It really did allow my phone to sit more comfortably in my hand."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I could prop my phone up anywhere and watch YouTube, especially when I m eating."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Like if I m eating in my kitchen and I have a YouTube video playing on my phone or something, like I ll just plop the phone down and continue watching it."
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"text": "You see what I mean?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I get that it s chuggy, but it s like kind of useful and I m actually thinking about ordering one."
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{
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I m not kidding."
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{
"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I think it s extra chuggy when they re fashion accessory."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Like I kind of can see where that s a little chuggy."
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{
"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s like, all right, let s relax."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Like it s a pop socket."
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{
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Just get a plain colored one."
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{
"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Like let s relax."
},
{
"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "But I think that the invention as a whole, it s good."
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{
"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I m sorry, but it s good."
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{
"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And everyone s been buying those cases that have the suction cups on the back that you can stick."
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{
"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "to the wall or stick to basically any flat surface because they re useful for like filming a TikTok or filming, taking a photo and self-timer or whatever."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I think those are more choogy than a pop socket because those are actually so fucking annoying."
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{
"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Your phone sticks to everything."
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{
"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "You put your phone down and sticks to the table."
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{
"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "If you stick the phone to the wall, sometimes it falls off."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Like, I don t know."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s just,"
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "That s less useful and more choogy to me than the pop socket."
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{
"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And that is a hot take that I m willing to put out onto the internet because I m brave, unlike some people."
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{
"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Actually, I m the least brave."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I m like the most afraid to say a hot take."
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{
"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "But that s my hot take."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Okay, next, I love chewy restaurants."
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{
"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I m talking about Applebee s."
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{
"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I m talking about Red Robin."
},
{
"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I m talking about Rainforest Cafe."
},
{
"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I m talking about Chili s."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Is the food good?"
},
{
"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "No."
},
{
"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Is it gonna give me an IBS flare-up after?"
},
{
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"text": "Next, on the opposite end of the spectrum here, we have Smoothie Bowls."
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"text": "And I ve been thinking recently that I want to start getting smoothie bowls more because I like them and they re tasty."
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"text": "Okay, that s all I have for today."
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"text": "Those are my favorite chewy things."
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"text": "I probably forgot a bunch because I think deep down I am maybe chewy."
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"text": "There are a lot of choogy things that I don t like, okay?"
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"text": "For example, I don t like skinny jeans."
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"text": "I don t like things that have sequins on them."
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"text": "I don t like a side part."
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"text": "I don t like cringy quotes on the wall."
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"text": "My dad probably would not have... He would have allowed it if it made her happy, I think, but I just don t think it would have happened otherwise."
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"text": "But still, I m going off on a tangent, but there are a lot of choogy things that I don t like."
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"text": "It s just better helping me accept others."
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"text": "Not that I ever didn t, but now I m even better at it."
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"text": "So what a beautiful thing that is."
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"text": "And on that note, that s all I have to say for today."
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"text": "And if you did,"
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"text": "New episodes every Thursday and Sunday."
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"text": "You can stream anywhere you get podcasts, although video is exclusively on Spotify."
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"text": "You can follow Anything Goes on Instagram at Anything Goes."
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"text": "Anything Goes is a TikTok now too, so you can go and find that."
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"text": "I don t have a TikTok, but Anything Goes does."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "So we ll see how that is for my psyche."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Still not going to have the app on my phone."
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"text": "It s a story for another day, but you can follow me on Instagram at Emma Chamberlain or follow me on YouTube at Emma Chamberlain."
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"text": "And last but not least, you can check out my coffee company, Chamberlain Coffee."
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"text": "Look on the store locator online, chamberlaincoffee.com."
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"text": "That s all I have for today."
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"text": "Thank you all for hanging out."
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"text": "It s always a pleasure and it s always a treat and I just love you all and appreciate you all and I hope that you re having a phenomenal day and if you re not then I hope soon you have a phenomenal day and I know you will."
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"text": "I benefit in no way."
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"text": "I need to find something that I love more."
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"text": "The only problem is gossip."
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"text": "Like there s something about it that s so satisfying and so fascinating to me that I don t know what could stimulate me as much."
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"text": "And, and that s not good."
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"text": "I think the way I m going to fix that is by eventually really getting rid of all the stuff that I can no longer fit in or aren t, you know, comfortable to a point where I don t ever wear it or is it my style anymore?"
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"text": "But also, you know, I ve been playing around with the idea of wearing a uniform every day."
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"text": "But bouncing off of that toxic trait, my next toxic trait sort of relates because it s also"
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"text": "regarding clothes, I need every outfit to match perfectly, including my pajamas."
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"text": "Like right now, you d look at what I m wearing as I m recording this and you d be like, Emma, this is not an outfit."
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"text": "Who cares if it matches?"
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"text": "They re like rusty orange."
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"text": "There s rust on my shirt, which brings out the rust in my fucking pajama shorts, okay?"
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"text": "And my slippers are gray because the gray looks better with this shirt than the black slippers."
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"text": "Like, I m not kidding."
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"text": "When I go to a workout, I have to wear all black."
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"text": "So it just feels like it s sticking out like a sore thumb, but you know what?"
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"text": "And then I m wearing my black slippers and then I ll change into my workout shoes later, but it s all a vibe."
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"text": "Black sunglasses."
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"text": "It all matches."
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"text": "Now that s like in mundane ways, I m obsessed with making sure that my outfit always matches, but it goes far beyond that to a point that is toxic."
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"text": "I m so insecure of the left side of my face that I ve gotten to a point, and maybe this is also as a result of working in this industry and becoming hyper aware of my appearance because, you know, I m on camera a lot."
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"text": "And for fuck s sake, cameras emphasize imperfections more than you could even know."
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"text": "This is so toxic."
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"text": "Like at 18 years old, your brain is not fully developed."
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"text": "I m pretty sure."
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"text": "I left high school to pursue an internet career."
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"text": "And if it s mostly by longevity, I think that can be detrimental."
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"text": "And now I m thinking about it, I am sort of avoiding a larger conversation, right?"
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"text": "So I leave them wondering and they never know."
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"text": "with the least amount of anger."
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"text": "Do they not?"
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"text": "I don t think there s necessarily anything wrong with that."
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"text": "If I m realizing like, I m not as into it and you are too, and we re like kind of calling a little less."
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"text": "So it happens all the time."
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"text": "Friendships themselves are largely circumstantial."
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"text": "So if both people kind of notice the fade out, and we re doing it because we re trying to spare the other person s feelings, and it doesn t feel like it requires a formal sit down, that s one thing."
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"text": "to dig into female friendships, because I actually made an episode once on female friendships that was very controversial, because I talked about the challenges in a way that was very, like, unfiltered, in a way, because, and I think that it was biased in the sense that it was based on my experience and what I had experienced in life thus far, but it was, you know, it was mainly focusing on the challenges that come with female friendship, mainly being"
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"text": "When it comes to romance versus friendship, the research says that people who are in a couple, mostly married couples, when they have friends outside of the friendship, those couples are more successful than people who do not have friends."
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"text": "Hey, come watch the show with me."
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"text": "Or even if it s not close friends and you re starting totally from scratch, okay, if I like to draw or read, can I go do it in a public space?"
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"text": "Like at least I m among other people and that positions me for opportunities for a person to say, oh, hey, what are you reading?"
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"text": "Or like, oh, hey, what?"
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"text": "but how do I position myself for more connection in my life?"
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"text": "And like, yeah, it s going to take away from other things, but I mean, it s that important to begin with."
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"text": "Is it something that needs to be planned or is it something that can be more intuitive when it comes to like managing these things?"
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"text": "I think it s a healthy mix of both because people who are believing like, friendship should just feel like easy and organic and natural."
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"text": "Like I totally get that."
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"text": "And to some extent, yes."
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"text": "Like it s a very elective relationship unlike other kinds of relationships, right?"
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"text": "Like, you know, professional, I m here for my check."
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"text": "Or romantic, we re opting in and then opting out."
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"text": "You know, like everything else is different."
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"text": "But friendship, we kind of fall into it."
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"text": "We kind of don t."
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"text": "And I don t have to be here."
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"text": "I have like no contractual obligation."
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"text": "Yeah."
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"text": "You know, so to some degree, we do want that kind of relationship to offer a sense of ease to our lives."
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"text": "So I get that."
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"text": "But there needs to be some intention as well."
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"text": "And by that, I mean this."
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"text": "There s research where they were trying to find how many"
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"text": "friends we can have and how many social connections we can maintain."
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"text": "Oh, I m curious."
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"text": "And they found that our brains can only cognitively really handle like 150 social connections."
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"text": "So if you think about that like a large circle and you think about smaller and smaller like concentric circles inside of that, it represents smaller and smaller numbers, but the degree of closeness goes up."
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"text": "So in that smallest circle, you have room for three to five super close"
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"text": "Ultra close relationships."
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"text": "The reason I bring this up is because when you start to get intentional about like, okay, do I have time for friends?"
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"text": "I don t know."
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"text": "If you re an extrovert trying to get coffee with 15 people, you are going to feel like I don t have time."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I feel overextended because you re trying to do all the things with too many people and your concern is going wide instead of going deep."
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"text": "So at some point, if you re feeling overwhelmed and you re like, I don t have time to be with all these friends, who are your three to five?"
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"text": "Who are your three to five?"
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"text": "And everybody else, maybe I ll catch you like in a group setting or maybe I ll catch... But who are my three to five?"
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"text": "Because it helps me to concentrate my time and it gives me more direction for how to spend my hours, which is a limited resource."
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"text": "And for the person who s like, oh gosh, I don t know if I want to spend time with... I would question you."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "do you like the people you hang out with?"
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"text": "Because if it feels like a chore every time, like, oh, I ve got to spend time with friends, I m curious about why you would feel that way."
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"text": "Now, I m an extrovert, and there are times when I m like, oh my god, I need a minute."
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"text": "I get it."
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"text": "But generally, when I think of friendship, I become tired instead of energized."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Who are you hanging out with?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Yeah."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And what are y all doing when you re together?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Because it might be an issue of you re hanging with the wrong people and y all are engaging in things you don t want to do."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Yeah."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "You don t enjoy."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "So that could maybe offer a starting point."
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"text": "Do you think it s important for the person that you date to like your friends?"
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"text": "Do you think that s crucial or do you think that s like an added bonus?"
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"text": "What should we be striving for there?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "OK, so in a perfect world, yes."
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"text": "Like your boo thinks your friends are like just amazing."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Yeah."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Right."
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"text": "And there actually is research that shows that couples who have an overlap, friendship overlap, meaning they share some friends are happier couples."
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"text": "So I know some people argue like, oh, they don t have to like them and our friend should be separate."
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"text": "And I get that."
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"text": "But in reality, for all kind of combining our lives, it helps if they kind of enjoy each other."
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"text": "Yeah, but the reality is that partner might not be a big fan of your friends, or maybe he s like, oh, she talks too much, or like, she s always got drama."
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"text": "And I think some of that s normal."
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"text": "I think what worries me is when you feel like you have to choose between them, or he s trying to make you see that they re not worth your time, and they re trying to make you see that he s, then that s when we have like some tension, and that can be really problematic."
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"text": "But you can t have an expectation that your partner"
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"text": "be in love with your girlfriend, sometimes it doesn t happen, but as long as we can have some kind of harmony, and one group s not trying to get me to terminate the other, you know, then we re good."
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"text": "But in an ideal world, and according to the research, it helps when you can all be friends, yes."
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"text": "Yeah."
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"text": "Talk to me about how to take a friendship that s maybe pretty good, pretty deep, and take it to the next level, like really,"
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"text": "I don t know, I think it can be challenging."
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"text": "I think some people even cringe at the idea of taking a friendship and making it deeper."
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"text": "How do you do that?"
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"text": "And I think it s because people, like the number one question I get is how do I make friends, which makes sense, right?"
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"text": "And typically it comes with some kind of qualifier, like how do I make friends as a new mom or as a woman in a new city?"
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"text": "I get all that."
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"text": "But at some point, you re collecting them."
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"text": "you know, remember what we said earlier about that research thing that quality relationships are what make us happy and physically healthy."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Yes."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "So it s one thing to have a lot of girls on the roster."
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"text": "It s another to have those all be superficial relationships."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "Yeah."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "So how do we develop the skill of like, okay, if I wanted to advance this, what do I say?"
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"text": "What do I do?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "So, okay."
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"text": "So three things."
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"text": "There is a concept known as friend-timacy by an OG friendship expert, Shasta Nelson, and she argues that you need three things to create depth."
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"text": "Positivity, consistency, and vulnerability."
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"text": "So positivity, there s research that shows that"
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"text": "So for every one negative interaction we have, we need to have five positives to offset that."
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"text": "But a lot of us get into friendships or befriend people who like, it s negative and it s chronic complaining and all that."
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"text": "That s fine to some degree, but how often are we doing that?"
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"text": "So one way to"
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"text": "Yeah."
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"text": "The second thing is consistency."
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"text": "You cannot get away from having to spend time together to deepen the friendship."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Yep."
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"text": "And I stand by that and people are trying to find hacks and get around and be like, oh, I just need like one coffee date every other month."
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"text": "And that s cool."
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"text": "But the research finds that it takes 34 hours to take somebody from an acquaintance to a friend."
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"text": "So I always joke, if you had a little timer on your head, would you be like, oh, OK, we need eight more hours?"
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"text": "How would you become more intentional if you knew, OK, it s going to take 34 hours?"
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"text": "No one s saying that has to happen in two weeks."
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"text": "Maybe over five months time, what s the rush?"
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"chunk": "4",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "But how am I sitting down and being like, OK, she s so cool."
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"text": "I want to get to know her."
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"text": "What am I actively doing to spend time with you to uncover more things about you, who you are, your style, your values?"
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"text": "I got to spend time together."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And then finally, I mean, we hear this all the time, but vulnerability."
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"text": "You want to get deeper and know her better, you re going to have to be vulnerable."
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"text": "And the one thing I will say here, because people are like, yes, vulnerability."
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"text": "If you are oversharing in a compulsive way, it is not vulnerability because vulnerability by definition means you re taking a risk of rejection."
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"text": "Meaning you say to yourself, oh, this might not go well."
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"text": "She might reject me for it, but I m going to do it."
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"text": "And I know some people might- Interesting."
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"text": "If I enjoy talking about all the quote unquote traditionally heavy things, it is not being vulnerable because I don t feel any risk."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Yeah."
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"text": "You have to do that with people you want to get deeper with."
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"text": "So vulnerability might look like you and I go on a coffee date and I m driving away thinking like, okay,"
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"text": "That s vulnerable."
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"text": "For me to say, hey, do you wanna get together again, is vulnerable."
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"text": "But if you are taking certain risks, putting yourself out there and opening up, you know it might be risky, but you re doing it for the sake to be more known and to be deeper in the relationship,"
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"text": "That is a good thing and the last thing I ll say is there s something known as the beautiful mess effect And it s this idea that we tend to like people more after they ve been vulnerable Yeah, so lean into that if your goal is to create more depth with existing friends."
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"text": "Yeah, I mean I ve I ve never experienced Like a person being vulnerable with me and me afterward"
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"text": "like them less."
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"text": "It s very humanizing and very endearing."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "I agree."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "It s it s so that s huge."
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"text": "Also, I think I m somebody who over shares and like but not I don t think it s in like a crazy way."
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"text": "And it s very hard for me to be in a weird way vulnerable because"
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"text": "Like, if somebody asks me a question about something deep, it s like, I don t care, I ll answer that."
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"text": "Like, I just, it s, so, for me being vulnerable is, like, going and asking about, like, I m, I don t like asking to hang out first."
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"chunk": "4",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "But that s not, that s where it is."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "So that s, you just spoke to me right there, because that s so true."
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"text": "How much should we be"
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"text": "going out and, you know, sort of chasing after friendship versus how much should we sort of wait for it to come to us?"
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"text": "I mean, I think it s sort of a similar thing to, you know, I don t chase, I attract."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "But that s sort of confusing."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "Like, there s a lot to that where it s like,"
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"text": "You do kind of have to chase after things a little bit."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "The whole I don t chase, I attract is a really cute phrase for a tote bag, I think."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Totally."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And I totally get that."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I think at the heart of that is to pursue things so much that you re losing a sense of self."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Yeah."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
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"text": "But the act of getting numbed hurts so fucking bad that you wish you were numbed for that."
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"text": "But some of the side effects of the medication that I was put on are stomach issues, fast or shallow breathing, fever, chills."
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"text": "It all came together in my brain at possibly the worst fucking time ever when there s no possible way for me to take a pregnancy test."
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"text": "I m in, oh, I forgot to mention this, I m in France."
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"text": "I end up taking it, negative again."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "What would I do?"
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"text": "The feeling never gets old of not being pregnant, I ll tell you that."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
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"text": "Migraines run in my family."
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"text": "It wasn t really that bad actually."
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"text": "It got really bad after the procedure."
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"text": "For the following two days, I had the worst cramping I have ever experienced in my fucking life."
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"text": "Like it was crazy."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
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"text": "But the joy I felt from being able to just have sex and not worry about getting pregnant."
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"text": "In relationships, not have to wear a condom."
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"text": "Everyone s tested, we all know we re good."
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"text": "Don t need to wear a condom."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Listen, you should still wear one."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Everyone says, I m so sorry, I m not."
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"text": "Okay."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "God bless all of you wearing a condom."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "If I don t have to, I m not."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Okay?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "You all know me."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Okay?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I m a boyfriend girl."
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"text": "Unless they re cheating on me, which I wouldn t know anyway."
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"text": "If we re only having sex with each other, great."
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"text": "And Emma s IUD really gets to have its moment."
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"text": "What a fucking treat."
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"text": "And I was like, you know what?"
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"text": "I know, like all this pain, all this torture for this fucking birth control."
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"text": "And you know what?"
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"text": "It s worth it for me because I like the freedom."
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"text": "I love the, no, I don t just like the freedom."
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"text": "I love the freedom."
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"text": "I do."
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"text": "So I have no regrets about my copper IUD, even though it was horrific."
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"text": "I have had a few scares though with it like where I ve thought that it s moved like actually kind of recently within the last few months I had to go to the doctor because I thought it got moved because I randomly like started bleeding and I wasn t on my period and I felt like something was sore inside like I was like I feel like this shit moved I don t know I couldn t know for sure because I can t see in there but I was like something feels off like there s something kind of cramping in there"
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"text": "and I m bleeding for no reason, and it s not my period, so I feel like it moved."
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"text": "I ll never know."
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"text": "And then I was afraid."
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"text": "Imagine, okay, so then imagine me already being afraid that I m pregnant all the time."
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"text": "Imagine my fear when I think, wait a minute, is my IUD in the right place?"
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"text": "I feel like it might ve gotten moved."
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"text": "Imagine how pregnant I thought I was that week."
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"text": "The drama never ends with the vagina."
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"text": "Like, it s never ending."
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"text": "Oh my god, I also recently thought I had toxic shock."
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"text": "Because toxic shock is very rare, but it s still something to consider."
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"text": "Toxic shock syndrome is a rare, life-threatening complication of certain bacterial infections."
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"text": "Risk factors include recent surgery, open wounds, and the use of super absorbent tampons."
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"text": "A high fever, low blood sugar, vomiting, and rash are some symptoms."
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"text": "Treatment includes antibiotics and possibly surgery."
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"text": "It can be very serious."
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"text": "I mean, it can kill you."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And it s basically if"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "this toxic bacteria sort of gets into your bloodstream."
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"text": "And according to self.com, expert analysis says the more absorbent the tampon, the more bacteria it can hold on to."
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"text": "That paired with a tiny tear from something like pulling out a dry tampon before it s saturated with blood can introduce the bacteria into the body."
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"text": "Okay, so that s sort of a rundown on toxic shock."
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"text": "It is very rare."
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"text": "It s best to just use tampons as they re instructed, use pads as they re instructed, change them out frequently as needed."
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"text": "If you re doing the best that you can and using these things responsibly, it s the best you can do."
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"text": "I thought that I started my period one time in a heavy way."
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"text": "So I put in a really absorbent tampon because I was not"
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"text": "going to be home all day."
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"text": "I was going to be out and about working and I was like, I can t be bleeding through my pants when I m working today."
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"text": "Like, you know what I mean?"
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"text": "I m not going to be"
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"text": "That s just not the right vibe."
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"text": "So I put in a super absorbent tampon."
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"text": "Literally a half an hour later, I go pee and it half pops out and I tear it out because I couldn t push it back in properly."
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"text": "It wouldn t go back in."
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"text": "So I was like, fuck it, I ll just take it out and put in a new one."
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"text": "But when I took it out, it ripped and there was a piece of tampon in my vagina."
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"text": "I stuck my fucking finger up."
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"text": "unsure if I was able to get it out."
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"text": "For days following that, I douched my vagina every single day, just hoping that I could get it out."
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"text": "If it was even still in there, I didn t know."
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"text": "I was so nervous about having toxic shock from having a little piece of tampon in my vagina that I gave myself a panic attack, which made me feel dizzy, which made me feel lightheaded, which made me feel feverish."
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"text": "So then I convinced myself, okay, wait, I do have toxic shock because I have all these symptoms."
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"text": "When you are an anxious person and you get panic attacks, you ll convince yourself that something s really wrong when it s really just you having a panic attack and the symptoms are so similar that you just can t."
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"text": "distinguish one from the other."
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"text": "Anyway, I ended up not having toxic shock."
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"text": "Thank God."
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"text": "But what I did do was give myself bacterial vaginosis in my vagina from douching it too much."
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"text": "I douched my vagina so much trying to clean it out, hoping that I would get that rogue piece of tampon out of my vagina."
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"text": "but I did it so much that I fucked with the pH of my vagina and ultimately gave myself bacterial vaginosis."
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"text": "Bacterial vaginosis is a condition caused by too much of a certain bacteria in the vagina."
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"text": "Bacterial vaginosis happens when bacteria usually found in the vagina grow too much."
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"text": "This growth upsets the balance of good and bad bacteria in the vagina."
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"text": "Bacterial vaginosis tends to occur during childbearing years."
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"text": "People with bacterial vaginosis often have no symptoms."
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"text": "Symptoms might include thin gray, white, or green fluid coming from the vagina."
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"text": "Other symptoms may include a foul, fishy smell from the vagina, an itchy vagina, or burning while urinating."
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"text": "Treatment can include prescription cream or gel that goes into the vagina or medicines taken by mouth."
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"text": "Last but not least, speaking of bacterial vaginosis."
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"text": "Let s talk about yeast infections because from ages like 17 to 19, I could not figure out why I kept getting yeast infections and yet I was."
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"text": "The worst thing that I would do is maybe wait an hour or two after, okay, maybe three hours sometimes after working out to shower."
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"text": "That was the worst thing I would do."
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"text": "That s a little gross, but I would, you know, go and do a workout class, and then I d go get a coffee with friends, and then we d like talk in the car for a little while, and then I d go home and I d shower."
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"text": "Probably."
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"text": "No."
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"text": "You probably do it all the time."
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"text": "But you know what s weird?"
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"text": "I m not fully convinced it was that, and I actually think it might have been coming from a man."
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"text": "But I ll never know for sure."
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"text": "Anyway, basically, yeast infections get a bad rap."
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"text": "People are like, ew, it s like a fishy cottage cheese."
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"text": "No, it s actually not fishy."
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"text": "That s the misconception about a yeast infection."
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"text": "It doesn t smell like anything."
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"text": "That s bacterial vaginosis."
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"text": "That s a different thing."
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"text": "That s what reeks."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Yeast infection is different."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Vaginal itching, red and inflamed vulva, thick white discharge with chunky texture, burning sensation when peeing and during sex."
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"text": "I was battling yeast infections for fucking years."
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"text": "It was so annoying."
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"text": "I worked so hard to get rid of them, and I could never really figure out what it was."
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"text": "I think in retrospect, it was not showering immediately after."
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"text": "working out."
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"text": "But also, I do that sometimes now, and I haven t had a yeast infection in years."
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"text": "I actually think it might have been coming from a guy I was talking to at the time."
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"text": "And I think that that is another thing that is not discussed enough about yeast infections."
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"text": "They can come from a dude."
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"text": "It can be spread to you."
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"text": "I don t know, because it s like there s kind of a correlation there that s hard to ignore."
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"text": "I don t know."
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"text": "The worst part about it is that I was constantly itchy and I was like walking around 24 hours a day with an itchy coochie like it was just and I I would take supplements."
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"text": "I d be like, okay."
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"text": "And then I would convince myself that because I did it for that one week, that that was enough and that it should have worked and that."
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"text": "the solution must be elsewhere because I tried it for a week like it should have worked when in reality it needed to be an ongoing treatment."
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"text": "So some of it might have been juvenile neglect."
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"text": "You give a kid a supplement and watch that sit in the cupboard for years to follow."
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"text": "It s like kids are like, I m sorry."
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"text": "And I ve neglected to take them ever since the doctor told me I should be taking them."
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"text": "A week here, a week there, blah, blah, blah."
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"text": "But recently, I ve gotten really good about taking those supplements."
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"text": "I m just such a bitch."
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"text": "I think what really helped me, though, is that now I actually have to take a medication every day, and I have to take it."
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"text": "Every day at the same time, and now that I m in a routine, it s easy to throw other supplements in there and just do a big gulp of pills twice a day, you know what I mean?"
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"text": "All of this just proves to me that it s so much better to address an issue the second it arises."
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"text": "Like, I wish I would have handled my vaginal cut when it first happened instead of waiting years to address it."
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{
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s like, how much stress and anxiety would we avoid if we just handled these things the moment that they happened?"
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{
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "But it s easy to turn a blind eye when it s not a violent issue that s begging for your attention."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "But it does cause an underlying anxiety."
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{
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Like I feel a weird relief today knowing that my vagina thing is being handled."
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{
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I don t know."
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{
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Anyway, so those are all my vagina stories."
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"text": "Hopefully you found some sort of comfort in them because we can feel very alone when it comes to our genitals, our hormones, et cetera, because it s maybe not the most discussed topic."
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"text": "And a lot of times we keep these things to ourselves, understandably so, you know, it s sort of private, but it is nice to know like these things happen to other people."
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"text": "I have had so much anxiety about my vagina cut"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And I asked my mom about it."
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"text": "I m like, have you ever heard of anything like this?"
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"text": "And she was telling me about a family member who had something sort of similar and was totally fine."
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{
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "That made me feel so much better, you know?"
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{
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"text": "And if you don t have a family member who also had a cut in their vagina that never healed, and maybe you have a cut in your vagina, let me be your friend in that."
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{
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Let me bring you some peace because"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Shit like that can be very anxiety-inducing, and it s normal."
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"text": "Being human is constantly taking care of your body and keeping things under control."
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"text": "Totally."
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"text": "No, they think that about me too."
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"text": "And iconic."
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"text": "Do you see where I m at?"
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"text": "Do you watch what you re in?"
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"text": "Stop."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_02",
"text": "No, can I tell you something about me that s crazy?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "Oh my god, I don t know how to have this conversation with you."
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"text": "Can we wrap this up?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "Oh my god."
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"text": "I know, I need to send you home."
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"chunk": "5",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_02",
"text": "Cause this is what you re doing all the time."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_02",
"text": "And you could be doing this."
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"text": "Instead of this."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_02",
"text": "Kids, get off your fucking asses and doing this."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_02",
"text": "And start clicking."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Can I tell you my excuse?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I didn t grow up with cable."
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"text": "So I grew up with a computer."
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"text": "I do."
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"text": "I do."
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"text": "No."
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"text": "No."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Really?"
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"text": "There s something wrong with you."
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"text": "If you have imposter syndrome, some of these things might help you."
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"text": "So I just got back from Fashion Week."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I was gone for two weeks."
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"text": "I did the whole thing this season."
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"text": "I went to seven fashion shows."
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"text": "And when I tell you that there is nothing in my brain right now other than fashion, there s nothing else in my brain."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I m not kidding."
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"text": "I had a conversation yesterday with a friend who could not give less of a fuck about fashion."
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"text": "And I was like, I don t know how to conversate with this person because the only thing I m thinking about is fashion."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Like I fully immersed myself in the fashion world in a dangerous way in the last two weeks."
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"text": "I think it s because I took it more seriously this season than I ever have before."
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"text": "I ve always loved fashion."
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"text": "Even when my imposter syndrome kicks in and I m like, why am I here?"
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"text": "Why did they invite me here?"
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"text": "Like after my first fashion show, I was like, yep, I love this."
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"text": "It s exciting."
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"text": "It inspires me fashion-wise."
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"text": "You know, even if I see a show that I don t like, it just further helps me develop my taste."
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"text": "I m like, okay, well now I know I don t like that."
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"text": "Like, even though I ve always loved fashion and Fashion Week, I ve never taken it as seriously as I did this last season."
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"text": "Like, this last season, it became a sport for me."
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"text": "put extra effort in and really make them good, you know?"
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"text": "Every last detail, from the accessories to the hair and makeup, my stylist and I really took it fucking seriously this season."
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"text": "Anytime we weren t at a show, we were planning the next look."
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"text": "You know, we were at fittings, we were making mood boards for the hair and makeup, like we were so into it, okay?"
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"text": "And it was so fun, like it was so fun, and it felt like"
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"text": "It s like the mini leagues."
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"text": "It s like third graders playing soccer because it s not that serious."
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"text": "I feel like a third grader playing soccer because it s not actually that serious."
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"text": "The Olympics are very serious."
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"text": "Fashion Week, it s not that fucking serious."
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"text": "So it is kind of like"
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"text": "It s like with third grade soccer, those third graders feel like they re in the Olympics, but really they re just in the mini leagues."
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"text": "That s how I felt with this fashion week."
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"text": "It was like, it felt like some sort of fashion Olympics for me, but it was really just, it was really not that important."
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"text": "Doesn t matter though because it was fun."
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"text": "All of this to say, my brain is so consumed by fashion, because for the last two weeks, it s all I ve consumed, that it s all I know how to talk about."
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"text": "So naturally, I m here today to talk about the trends that I saw at Fashion Week."
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"text": "I went to seven shows, but I looked at probably 25 shows and like really looked at them online."
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"text": "So the trends I m discussing today are things that I saw reoccurring through about 25 collections that I was interested in looking at."
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"text": "Now, I made this list completely on my own through analyzing various collections, but then I was like, am I just pulling this out of my ass?"
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"text": "Like, am I really seeing these patterns or these really reoccurring themes or am I reaching?"
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"text": "So then I had the genius idea to Google it."
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"text": "I was like, let me Google it and see what big fashion publications are saying."
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"text": "Are they seeing the same trends as me or am I losing my mind?"
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"text": "Turns out I was kind of on the nose, actually."
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"text": "And it was one of the best feelings of my life."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And I rarely toot my own horn."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "My God, do I rarely toot my own horn."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "So please let me toot it now."
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"text": "And you know what?"
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"text": "You re just going to have to take my word for it because that could have easily been a lie."
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"text": "I could have just looked up top trends from"
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"text": "fall winter 2024 women s fashion week and then stole them all and then you know said that I came up with them and then fact-checked them after it s like just trust me okay I would tell you if I stole them I always give credit where it s due or I try to and if I fuck up then I give credit later I m not a bad person I don t think so anyway let s get into the trends that I saw at fashion week this is fall winter 2024"
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"text": "Mainly women s clothing, but there were some men s looks in there."
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"text": "You know, how the trend relates to culture in one way or another."
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"text": "First trend I saw was a lot of mesh see-through clothing."
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"text": "And I was really into it."
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"text": "It s sort of a relief in a way to see the female nipple having a really vivid present moment because I m a person who doesn t like to wear bras."
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"text": "I hate wearing bras."
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"text": "Now this is a privilege because I don t have large breasts."
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"text": "And, you know, I think naturally in society, we look at nudity, especially like, no, nudity in general, showing skin in general as being sort of inappropriate, not classy, right?"
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"text": "I think that this will present itself as a trend in the world, starting with more celebrities wearing sheer gowns, dresses, etc."
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"text": "So we ll see what happens with that, but it looks great on the runway."
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"text": "Okay, next trend."
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"text": "I can t not mention this."
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"text": "Like big, big fur coats."
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"text": "And I saw some people talking about this new mob wife trend."
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"text": "Like there are people online saying that"
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"text": "the sort of clean girl aesthetic, whatever that really means."
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"text": "I guess it s like chic, clean, neutral colors, pretty makeup."
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"text": "Pretty meaning like very natural and I use the word pretty but that s such a terrible word for it."
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"text": "I mean like"
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"text": "Yeah, clean, minimal makeup, whatever."
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"text": "I ve seen a lot of people saying that that s out and what s in is like mob wife, you know, like grungier makeup, big fur coats, you know, like sassy boots, like tights."
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"text": "I don t know, probably like mini skirts, like stuff like, you know, a bit more edgy, a bit more sassy, right?"
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"text": "Definitely saw a lot of fur coats."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And I m not fully sold on them."
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"text": "I think a lot of times fur coats don t look great."
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"text": "Like a lot of times they can look very costumey."
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"text": "It really depends on the material that s used."
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"text": "Obviously, there s faux fur, there s real fur."
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"text": "Obviously, faux fur is the better option."
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"text": "It doesn t really matter what type of fur is used, real fur, faux fur."
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"text": "It can look costumey."
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"text": "It can look kind of, I hate this word, but it can look cheap."
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"text": "Like if you got it from"
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"text": "Forever 21 or something."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Even when it s a $20,000 jacket walking down the runway, you know, it can still look sort of cheap and not nice."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And that s a shame, especially if it is real fur and an animal died for the jacket and it doesn t even, and it looks bad."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s like, that s really bad."
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"chunk": "1",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "That s, that s a crime."
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"chunk": "1",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "That s a crime."
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"chunk": "1",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "But I saw some of that on the runway, you know, where I was like, this is,"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "a really expensive jacket, and it looks kind of cheap, you know?"
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{
"chunk": "1",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "That s a shame."
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"text": "You know, I saw some really cool, interesting fur coats that were furry in a way, but they were using an unusual type of furry material."
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"text": "Like, I saw one that looked sort of like a sheep, and like, that was cool, because it looked like a fur coat, but then it was sort of more like yarn-ish, maybe?"
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"text": "I don t—"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "But you get what I m saying."
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"chunk": "1",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I think unique takes on it are exciting."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Like I thought that that was really cool."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And I think it s interesting that fur coats are coming back in because, I don t know, I think people are much more aware nowadays of the harms of wearing fur, you know?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And so it s interesting to see fur coats come back into style because"
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"text": "I think a lot of people and most people, honestly, are like, I don t want to wear fur."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I mean, it s the same thing with even leather."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Anything that involves, you know, an animal, I think is sort of controversial in a way, right?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "So to see it sort of come back in, in such a big way, there was so much fur happening."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s interesting."
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"text": "I think the way that we re going to see this manifest in the culture is a lot of fur."
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"text": "I actually see this becoming a big trend."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I think most people are going to opt for faux fur for many reasons, but I think it s going to be a trend."
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"text": "I also think branching off of that, there s going to be, you know, little fur details, whether that s at the bottom hem of a pant or at the wrist of a long sleeve shirt."
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"text": "You know what I mean?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I could see that happening, but I don t think it s going to be in the same way that we saw on the runway because the"
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"text": "big, massive fur coats that were on the runway are not wearable, ultimately."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "They re too big."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "You would struggle to walk around in one of those fur coats."
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"text": "They were too big."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "So I think what we re going to see is big fur coats, but manageable fur coats."
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"text": "Not that big."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "But I think it s interesting because when I think of a fur coat, I think of more maximalist fashion."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Do you know what I mean?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "like a big fluffy fur coat to me, is not necessarily minimal."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "However, it sort of is, I guess, in a way, because the silhouette of it is somewhat simple, you know?"
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"text": "So I guess it still sort of fits in with that trend that s happening in the zeitgeist now of minimalism."
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"text": "But maybe, maybe it s a sign that we re about to enter a phase of maximalism again, but slowly."
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"text": "You know, it starts"
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"text": "where everybody s swinging in the opposite direction, rejecting maximalism, going all in on the simple silhouettes, nothing flashy, and then it slowly builds back up to being maximalist over time."
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"text": "Slowly but surely, that might be what s happening, and this might be the first sign of that coming back in."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Who knows?"
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{
"chunk": "1",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And maybe I m overanalyzing it, and I don t know what I m talking about."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "So love you."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Moving on."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I saw a lot of stiff, rigid, sculptural pieces, okay?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Like for example, a stiff leather dress that honestly probably is made of plastic on the inside."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s that rigid, okay?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I m talking about stiff plastic, like the type of plastic that would be used in a water bottle, okay?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Obviously it s not so stiff that it s like"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "you can t move it or bend it at all, but it s rigid enough that it s almost always in its form, you know what I mean?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I saw a dress that it was like black leather, but it was super stiff on the body and it had breasts sort of built out on the dress, you know?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It had these manufactured sort of boobs, you know what I mean?"
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"text": "And it was super"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "rounded on the bottom half so like where the skirt would be it sort of peplumed out in this very stiff way okay that was something that I saw I actually saw multiple dresses like that on the runway there were actually now I m thinking about it there was a lot of that there were like trench coats that were like that there were super sculptural like stiff stiff stiff okay"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I hope I painted that picture right, but I saw a lot of that."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Now, I love how this looks, okay?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It looks so cool."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Every single time I saw it look like that, I was like, ooh, yum, I love that."
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"text": "It looks amazing, okay?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It looks so cool."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It looks sort of like Polly Pocket clothes, like it looks like doll clothes."
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"chunk": "1",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "There s something sort of dystopian about it, you know?"
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"chunk": "1",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It looks like a video game or something."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s very satisfying to look at."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s also satisfying to look at because there s not one wrinkle in it."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "There s not one wrinkle in it."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s perfect, right?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s sort of perfect in a way."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "because it is so sculptural and it doesn t move."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "But I have a hard time imagining this trend actually making its way into culture because I don t think that these pieces are wearable, to be honest."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Like, they look amazing, but you can t sit in them."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "They re too stiff."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "They re too rigid."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "If you re wearing one of these dresses, you re not sitting."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "You know what I m saying?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "There s no way."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "So I don t know, I ve been thinking a lot about how this could translate into actual trends that, you know, the masses are wearing."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I just don t know what that looks like."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Maybe there s a less extreme version."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Maybe it s using a rigid material that s less rigid, right?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "So you can still sit in it."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "But would that then lose the effect of the design itself?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I don t know."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "So, I don t know."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "We ll see if that makes its way into the trend cycle."
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"text": "I could maybe see this becoming a trend in tops, like, because with the top, I don t know, like all your main hinges on your body, what your,"
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"text": "waist when you sit or your hips, I guess, when you sit in your knees, you know, none of that is obstructed with a top."
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"text": "And I mean, unless you re like hunching over, I guess it couldn t be a long sleeve top, though, because then your elbows wouldn t work."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "So I don t know."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I don t know how this is going to make its way in."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And maybe it won t."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Maybe it s just something that"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "we appreciate the art of, but we can t really adopt ourselves unless we wanna not move our limbs and have our joints be, well, we give our joints a break, that s for sure, but that s not very practical."
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"text": "So interesting, it s interesting to see something like that be so prevalent on the runway and be like, I actually don t think that this is functional though."
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"text": "So how does this manifest in the world?"
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"text": "I m very curious to see, but I will say,"
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"text": "It s something that I love."
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"text": "Like, I would maybe buy a piece like that if I could find one that was wearable but still had the same effect visually."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "So, we ll see."
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"text": "Okay, next."
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"text": "I saw a lot of delicate pajama-like knits, okay?"
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"text": "I saw a few pajama-like looks on the runway, which was very interesting to me."
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"text": "Because in all the collections that they were present in, it like came out of nowhere."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And I was like, what?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Like, what is this?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "But I saw it a few times, so I have to mention it."
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"text": "I m talking about thin, white, blue-ish, sort of pastel-y sort of fabrics, sort of sheer, in pajama-like silhouettes."
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"text": "Little pajamas, right?"
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"text": "I saw that on the runway."
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"text": "And I love"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
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"text": "Like when you look at someone wearing that type of clothing, you re like, oh, they look so comfortable."
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"text": "I mean, it looks like they re in their pajamas."
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"text": "Now, what was interesting was all the looks that I saw on the runway were very pajama in all sense of the word."
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"text": "Okay."
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"text": "And maybe this is a sign that we re bringing the pajamas out of the bedroom and we re bringing them to the world."
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"text": "And I actually kind of love that because I love these materials."
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"text": "I actually love these silhouettes."
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"text": "When you see someone in that type of clothing, you re like, ah,"
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"text": "They look so comfortable and they look so sweet and there s something so endearing about it."
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"text": "I love the idea of pajama-esque clothing becoming more trendy for out of the home because I think that, why not?"
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"text": "Like, if you take all societal expectations out of it and all societal rules, if something s comfy and you love to wear it and you feel good in it,"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Who cares?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "So, I don t know."
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"text": "I mean, people already sort of do that, but I think that we ll be seeing more pajama-like pieces styled, right?"
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"text": "Like, little pajama-looking shorts with like a t-shirt and like socks and sneakers."
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"text": "So maybe this was a reflection of things that are already happening out in the world."
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"text": "I don t know."
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"text": "But again, like that s kind of already happening, I guess."
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"text": "So I don t know."
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"text": "I don t know, but I thought it was nice, so no complaints."
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"text": "Next, I saw a lot of bows, which was interesting because I think that the bows being present in all these collections was not fashion thinking first."
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"text": "It was the culture thinking first."
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"text": "Because there s been a lot of bows happening for the last year probably, maybe even a few years."
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"text": "I ve seen a lot of bows."
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"text": "Like bows have been very trendy, like tying bows on everything."
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"text": "and that s not going anywhere because I saw a lot of bows."
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"text": "Bows are still very relevant, okay?"
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"text": "A dress with bows all over it, you know, a big jacket with a big bow on the front, like just bows, like ribbons, bows, it s all happening."
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"text": "I am sort of neutral on this trend, like, I think it can be done well, almost in a way where you re not even thinking about the bow piece of"
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"text": "the outfit or of the clothing piece it sort of just naturally becomes a part of the outfit or of the piece and it just works and that s great."
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"text": "I think sometimes the bows can be sort of overdone to a point where it s like okay let s relax you know what I mean like slapping bows all over something can feel maybe overly trendy in a way like bows are classic like I don t know but when the trend is leaned into too hard maybe it can"
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"text": "become a little corny in my eyes."
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"text": "What do I know?"
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"text": "But that s my read on it."
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"text": "But I like the use of bows, even dramatic bows or a lot of bows, if it s done in a way that feels unique and natural and cool and"
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"text": "It doesn t feel like a reaction to the trend, but it feels like just a genuinely thoughtfully made piece."
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"text": "Then I m like, yeah, that s cool."
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"text": "I think it s already a trend and I think that the trend will probably end soon and Bose will return to just being."
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"text": "a detail that we see every once in a while you know it won t be a trend they ll never go away they re bows like we will always have bows on things but yeah it ll just go back to being something that we see every once in a while because i feel like it was already a trend and then now it s on the runway it s like okay we re done maybe like i think people will be done with it soon so i think that was the last season for bows i don t think bows are going to be as serious next season but what do i know again what do i know i m just fucking spitballing here okay sue me"
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"text": "Next, I saw a lot of 1960s silhouettes."
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"text": "I m talking about pencil skirts, you know, skirts that cut off at the knee, little matching jackets, boxy dresses, cute little plain sweaters, you know, classy little shoes with it, like a little loafer looking thing or some sort of flat or like a short little heel or whatever."
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"text": "I love the 1960s silhouettes."
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"text": "Like, I fucking, I love it."
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"text": "Anytime I saw a 1960s silhouette, I was like, wow, that s just amazing."
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"text": "Like, it didn t look like a costume version of a 1960s person, you know what I mean?"
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"text": "whether it was by using different materials, like, I don t know, maybe integrating leather in a way that s sort of unique or maybe slightly modernizing the silhouettes."
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"text": "There s always a world where that can happen, but they re not always in."
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"text": "And I think that the way that they re being done now is just so, I love it."
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"text": "I love all the 1960s silhouettes."
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"text": "You will see me wearing sort of medium length skirts, whether it s"
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"text": "you know cutting off at the knee or maybe right below the knee with a cute little plain sweater and a cute little matching jacket like I love that and I would love to do that with a cute little easy shoe some sort of loafer adjacent shoe and like a sock always I mean I have to always wear a sock with that type of vibe but"
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"text": "I love that or with like a little kitten heel, you know, it s it feels retro."
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"text": "It feels vintage, but it can feel hot and cool and young, too, if it s if it s experimented with a little bit, you know."
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"text": "I think these 60s silhouettes are going to come back, for sure."
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"text": "And it s going to become cool again to sort of dress like your grandma a little bit."
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"text": "wearing what is traditionally known as clothing for people in their 40s, 50s, 60s, you know?"
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"text": "Like, these silhouettes are known as almost sort of grandma-esque clothing."
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"text": "There s no denying that, you know, there are stereotypes about how people in certain age groups dress, right?"
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"text": "We just think of these silhouettes as being for maybe people of a different generation, of an older generation, but I think it s really exciting to see them become relevant now and I think it will be picked up on."
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"text": "Next, I saw a lot of monochromatic outfits, okay?"
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"text": "It s like you re forcing yourself to wear all the same color, you know?"
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"text": "But you know what I think makes it work is when the color that s chosen is a really palatable sort of color."
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"text": "If somebody wears a monochromatic maroon outfit, that s a much more timeless color."
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"text": "It s more classy, you know?"
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"text": "It s like easy to create a monochromatic outfit with neutrals, you know, because a lot of us have those neutrals to begin with."
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"text": "are going to become trendy because you kind of have to make more of an effort with that."
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"text": "I love it."
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"text": "and it s nice on the eye it s really nice on the eye it s soothing to look at and it s honestly more flattering in a lot of ways like super bright colors just don t look good on me they do maybe look good on some people they definitely probably do but i don t know like i think almost everyone if you were to take anyone on the planet and take a picture of them in a neon pink shirt and then take a picture of them in like a pastel pink shirt"
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"text": "It s just it s like it s the color red."
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"text": "I don t."
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"text": "How do you even talk about that?"
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"text": "That s less of a theme."
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"text": "Like, yeah, I saw that color a lot, but it s also like."
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"text": "Am I just imagining that one?"
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"text": "I don t know."
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"text": "Anyway, I m loving the muted colors."
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"text": "Yum, yum, yum."
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"text": "And I think that will show up in the trends."
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"text": "I mean, I think it already kind of has."
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"text": "I don t think anyone s talking about neons right now or even just bright colors in general."
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"text": "I feel like most people are gravitating towards more muted colors right now just because it goes along with the more minimalist"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "phase that we re going through in fashion, you know, like people are not gravitating towards the eye-catching, the loud as much maybe."
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"text": "Next."
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"text": "I saw a lot of black and white outfits, but particularly black and white sort of suiting"
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"text": "like classic suiting like white button up in various different forms with some sort of tie and some sort of suit jacket okay and then some sort of classy pant it could be a skirt it could be you know slacks it could be whatever but i saw a lot of that and it was done in quite a few different ways like some felt sort of victorian some felt more just like kind of generic i don t know"
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"text": "But obviously the black and white suit is very classic."
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"text": "It s very timeless."
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"text": "But I don t know, it sort of reminded me of, like there s something sort of gothic about it."
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"text": "Like I ve been saying that I think it s going to be a trend to dress like Count Dracula."
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"text": "And I m not kidding."
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"text": "That s kind of how a lot of these suits look."
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"text": "Like if you look up Count Dracula right now, he s wearing a black and white sort of suit, sort of dramatic suit."
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"text": "And I saw a lot of things like that on the runway."
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"text": "And I was like, oh my God, this is very Count Dracula to me, the sort of classic black and white suiting."
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"text": "And I think it s cool."
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"text": "It does have a weird little gothic undertone."
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"text": "That could just be my imagination."
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"text": "Again, I don t know what I m talking about, but I really like it because not only is it timeless, but there s something really cool and weirdly edgy about it, which is ironic because it s like,"
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"text": "A black and white suit is as classic as it gets, but I think the silhouettes that I saw on the runway were a bit more dramatic, a bit more maybe Victorian-esque, which makes them feel a bit more gothic, which then makes them feel a bit more edgy."
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"text": "And I don t know, I m really into it."
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"text": "Like, I think, yeah, it just feels kind of like cool Dracula."
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"text": "I m into it."
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"text": "I actually don t know why I like it."
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"text": "Like, I m trying to explain why I like it, and I m realizing that I don t even know."
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"text": "I think it s because I ve always in my heart sort of liked gothic clothing, like anything that feels sort of gothic."
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"text": "I ve always loved that."
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"text": "And this falls into that category in a very mild and nuanced way, in a very wearable way, really."
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"text": "Because there s a range of gothic styles."
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"text": "You can go full gothic or you can just be lightly gothic and dress like Count Dracula."
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"text": "You know what I mean?"
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"text": "Now, I think this classic black and white suiting will... I don t know if it s going to become trendy."
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"text": "I ve been predicting it for months for some reason."
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"text": "Everyone s going to dress like Count Dracula."
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"text": "I ve been predicting this for some reason and I don t know why."
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"text": "Maybe I was manifesting it for myself because I just love this vibe."
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"text": "The only thing that I think is challenging about it is that it requires a level of tailoring, like you have to go and get a suit top like that sort of tailored a lot of times and"
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"text": "I guess maybe not."
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"text": "Maybe if it s made of like stretchier material, maybe."
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"text": "So maybe, maybe it will take off."
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"text": "I don t know."
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"text": "I think sort of vaguely gothic styles are going to come back in."
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"text": "Maybe as a response to a combination of the 2010s maximalism being like bright and neon and cheetah print and weird galaxy print and shit like that."
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"text": "Maybe as a response to that, and then also as a response to minimalism, which is like the complete opposite, it s like so simple, it s so timeless, it s so just, you know, what do you even say about it?"
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"text": "It s just, it is what it is."
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"text": "Maybe the response to both of those things is something a bit more gothic, you know, like a vampire vibe, a Dracula vibe."
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"text": "But also, you know, when you look throughout the years, there s always been people who have gravitated towards that aesthetic, and it s sort of always been present, but maybe it ll have a mainstream moment this year."
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"text": "I love it."
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"text": "You know, I ve been seeing people on TikTok and stuff, well, not TikTok, I don t have TikTok, I guess on Instagram Reels, like doing their makeup, making it look like they have bloodshot eyes or like dark circles under their eyes, like, you know, making themselves look"
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"text": "pale in a way like not bronzing their cheekbones and stuff like that to bring color to the face like instead just washing out the face and sort of doing a more vampire sort of aesthetic and maybe that s just my algorithm because I like"
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"text": "sort of gothic vibe and I always watch those videos all the way through, but also maybe it s happening."
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"text": "It s becoming mainstream that that s a cool vibe."
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"text": "So I don t know."
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"text": "We ll see."
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"text": "This is kind of random, but I saw a lot of skinny belts."
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"text": "This kind of goes hand in hand with like the 60s silhouettes."
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"text": "Like, imagine like a boxy sort of dress with a little skinny belt around it."
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"text": "Like it just looks so good."
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"text": "And I love the way that this looks."
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"text": "And I think that it s going to become a trend because it s kind of an easy thing to find."
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"text": "You can go to any thrift store right now and find a thin belt."
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"text": "Like, they re everywhere."
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"text": "So I could see this becoming a trend because it s easy, you know?"
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"text": "And I think a lot of times that s when things become a trend is when they re easy and they re doable, right?"
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"text": "big, massive statement belts, that s maybe a more challenging trend."
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"text": "You can t often fit them through your belt loops, et cetera."
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"text": "So I definitely see that happening."
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"text": "I think accessory trends tend to pick up a lot easier because it s just like the barrier to entry is just not nearly as challenging."
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"text": "Next we have a lot of hoods."
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"text": "But I think in more intentional ways, you know, like maybe pieces that are made to be worn out to dinner, for example, but have a hood built in that you can wear."
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"text": "it is comfortable because, I don t know if this is a toxic thing or a negative thing, but I love sort of covering up sometimes."
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"text": "Like the thicker neckline of a dramatic turtleneck, honestly, it looks great."
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"text": "So I don t know, I could see that having a moment."
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"text": "Next we have, I don t know how to phrase this, but"
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"text": "If anything, modern florals feels cringe to me."
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"text": "I don t like modern floral patterns."
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"text": "That s the problem with super distinct, super specific patterns is that they tend to go stale really quickly."
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"text": "Those trends tend to come and go real quick because it s so easily to become fatigued by something that s so specific."
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"text": "And then last but not least, I saw a lot of oversized clothing, a lot of baggy, oversized clothing, like baggy pants, big oversized jacket, sleeves are really long, shoulders are too wide for the shoulders, you know, like a lot of oversized baggy pieces."
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"text": "And this I love because"
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"text": "It s like, wow, like there s something kind of cool about it."
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"text": "Like when somebody s wearing sort of baggy clothes, I don t know, it just it does have a cool feel to it, but also it s fucking comfortable."
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"text": "So I m stoked."
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"text": "I saw this and I was like, great."
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"text": "I love being baggy and comfy."
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"text": "What a great trend."
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"text": "I d much rather that than skin-tight fucking latex, which looks amazing, by the way."
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"text": "It looks fucking amazing."
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"text": "Anytime I put on latex, I m like, wow, that looks good."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "But then I m like, nothing has ever felt worse."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "So I m always stoked to see this as a trend."
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"text": "I think this has already sort of been a trend but I think it will continue to become even more of a trend and I m excited about that because it s fucking comfortable and it s fun to wear and I love it."
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"text": "And that s it."
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"text": "Those are all the trends that I saw this fashion week."
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"text": "I think the things that I m particularly excited about are the mesh."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I love the mesh."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I love the 1960s silhouettes."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I m so excited about that."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Love the monochromatic."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Love the skinny belts."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Love the hoods."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "So excited about the hoods."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And really excited about baggy clothes, as always."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I mean, I m always excited about baggy clothes."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Oh, and the sort of gothic black and white suit."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Love."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "So, that s that."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "That was my Fashion Week analysis."
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"chunk": "5",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "That s all I have for today."
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"chunk": "5",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I really felt like I got a lot off my chest."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Like, now I think I m good."
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"chunk": "5",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Like, I can go back."
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"chunk": "5",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I got that all off my chest."
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{
"chunk": "5",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I talked about fashion so much that now I m sick of fashion and don t want to think about it for the next six months until there s another Fashion Week."
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"chunk": "5",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Like, I do not want to think about clothes ever again."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And I can think about something else."
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"chunk": "5",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I don t know what yet."
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"chunk": "5",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Maybe it s drama."
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{
"chunk": "5",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Maybe it is... I don t know."
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"chunk": "5",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Maybe it s a new hobby."
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"chunk": "5",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Maybe I ll start a new book."
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"chunk": "5",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I don t know."
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"chunk": "5",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Like it s something else."
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"chunk": "5",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Now something will take its place."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And I can t wait to find out what it is."
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"chunk": "5",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Oh, maybe I ll go through another cooking phase because that ended."
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"text": "I had a cooking phase and it ended."
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"text": "Maybe I ll get back into it now that I have all this empty brain space."
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"text": "So we ll see."
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"text": "I really appreciate you all for listening and I hope that you enjoyed this."
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"text": "Whether you re into fashion or not, maybe you learned something."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Maybe you are going to try out a new way of styling yourself in the morning."
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"text": "Maybe you re not."
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"text": "Maybe this further confirmed that you don t give a fuck about the trends and that you do your own thing."
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"text": "And that s when she came up with the concept for her podcast, Science Versus, where she basically takes a topic and lays all the science out on the table."
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"text": "Because"
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"text": "We re just gonna answer some questions that I have today because she s sort of like a walking scientific journal."
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"text": "Were you a science kid in school?"
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"text": "And then I walked out of that meeting and was like, okay, clearly I m not going to be a scientist."
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"text": "There s so much fun stories of discovery to be found in science."
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"text": "It s how we know how the world works."
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"text": "It s how we know"
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"text": "And I think because I was so bad at it, it helps me explain because it wasn t intuitive when I was starting out."
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"text": "People would say complicated science things and I d be like, I don t understand."
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"text": "Please say it again."
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"text": "See, that is such a perfect niche for you."
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"text": "It s like you are curious about all of it."
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"text": "That s right, and I think, like, because I had these, like, my parents, who were both academics, funnily enough, so I guess that must have been another thing in the mix, they re always telling me, like, if you don t understand something, just, like, ask more questions."
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"text": "you know, if someone s trying to teach you something and you don t understand it, you just keep asking questions."
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"text": "And so I think that really helps."
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"text": "It s like if a scientist is just using these complicated words."
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"text": "I can speak the language."
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"text": "Yes."
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"text": "But when I was starting out, there was just a lot of, okay, so what was that?"
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"text": "It s so important."
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"text": "Yes, there s so much garbage."
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"text": "Once you hit the top, I was like, all right, all right, this show is going to be done."
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"text": "Well, that s the thing that s so annoying about it, I think, too, especially, is the blatant and so obvious hypocrisy."
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"text": "If you say, like,"
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"text": "And I m like, that really pisses me off because they re clearly using their healthcare education, like whether it s their RNs or whatever it is, they re using that and they know they re using that to get"
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"text": "And if you re wearing your scrubs or you re like a doctor, you know, you need to be really careful about your facts."
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"text": "And so often I m like, because part of the show is like looking for like, what s the Internet saying about a particular thing?"
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"text": "And I ll see these like doctors saying stuff and then we fact check it with experts in the field and I m reading the papers and I m like, that s not, that s not real."
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"text": "So this is, this is like what we re fighting against."
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"text": "I m like, if you are about to go on a show like this with an audience, take some responsibility, get your facts right."
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"text": "So let s play devil s advocate then."
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"text": "Love it."
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"text": "We re all human, right?"
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"text": "Including the experts, including the people writing the most advanced, the most modern, the most accurate scientific papers."
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"text": "Can we really trust anything for sure, in your opinion?"
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"text": "It s a great question."
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"text": "So at its best, science is just testing all these theories we have, whatever it is, like will this skincare product reduce wrinkles?"
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"text": "Will ketamine cure depression?"
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"text": "You can say that, or even you can have had an amazing experience, or you and your friends can have had amazing experiences, and you can tell people about it."
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"text": "Like, was it something else that happened that night?"
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"text": "You know, were you actually moving to, like, was it starting to be a good place in your life and then you felt great?"
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"text": "Like, so the only way you could actually know, was it the ketamine that caused it and like, that caused this benefit?"
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"text": "Like, it is wonderful that the placebo effect."
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"text": "Yes."
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"text": "So science is the way that we can do that, that we can find that out."
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"text": "And then through other kinds of studies that we can actually test the mechanism of how the hell ketamine might be having these effects."
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"text": "And that s what we ve learned."
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"text": "Right, because I feel like some people can t"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_02",
"text": "Our entire view of female sexuality."
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"text": "Are women s orgasms bigger?"
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"text": "it ended up like covering the face just so they like wouldn t move so they had to wear this helmet uh-huh then they had to like you know sort themselves out or they had a partner partner do it but because it was so loud the the scientists had to be like relaying information like she described it as like a deranged and like a flight host where she was like she was like"
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"text": "finding it."
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"text": "They don t care, you know, like, or some men, some men, like, oh, no, definitely."
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"text": "Yeah."
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"text": "And there s, there s surveys that have been done of women that like, we prioritize male orgasm."
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"text": "That s when sex ends."
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"text": "And it s really sad that like that, that hasn t changed."
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"text": "Right."
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"text": "Yeah, and that sucks."
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"text": "I remember when I was in high school, I was like, the gender gap on many things."
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"text": "I was like, we re so close to getting that, right?"
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"text": "Once we get the wages sorted, equality s like, we got it."
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"text": "We got this."
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"text": "Then we re both going to come every time and it s going to be fucking awesome."
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"text": "And now I m like, no."
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"text": "It s still the primacy of the penis."
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"text": "It s still, sex is done when they come."
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"text": "And you can see it in the data that women will say, I prioritize them coming."
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"text": "No, I know."
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"text": "I ve done that."
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"text": "Because they should be like, okay, now it s your turn."
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"text": "it s a very hard conversation to have to be like, you re not doing it."
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"text": "Exactly."
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"text": "Do you mind if I touch myself while we re doing this?"
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"text": "Yes."
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"text": "Wouldn t that be such a treat?"
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"text": "That would be great."
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"text": "That would be great."
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"text": "I really thought, you know how there was big dick energy a couple of summers ago?"
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"text": "I was like, what about generous lover energy?"
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"text": "What about excited clit energy?"
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"text": "You know what I mean?"
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"text": "Why are we not doing that?"
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"text": "You re like, that s what we need."
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"text": "You can see that shit in my eyes."
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"text": "It s like you can see it in the eyes."
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"text": "Okay, so we re starting that as a hashtag, you guys."
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"text": "There s a few things we need to dig into that I know that you re like, you ve done the dirty work, you ve done the research, you ve whatever."
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"text": "And one of them is very relevant to me because I was addicted for many years vaping."
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"text": "How is your journey going, by the way?"
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"text": "What happened to me was I made an episode, a podcast episode, being like, I m quitting."
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"text": "So I started again."
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"text": "pregnancy and having to quit nicotine, which is so emotional."
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"text": "You gotta cut down on your caffeine."
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"text": "There s already a bunch of shit to do, right?"
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"text": "There s no tar."
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"text": "Yeah."
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"text": "Yes."
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"text": "Yep."
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"text": "And then we have data on the flavors, for example."
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"text": "The weird thing with the flavors is that a lot of them have been approved for safety for eating."
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"text": "What s wild is that that s where most of the flavors come from."
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"text": "It s like cinnamaldehyde is the chemical they use for cinnamon vapes, which I don t think is a very popular flavor."
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"text": "By the way, horrible flavor."
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"text": "Ew, who s smoking that?"
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"text": "Y all are weird for that."
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"text": "Okay, yeah, ew."
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"text": "So I ll tell you, I haven t smoked that one, so we re good."
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"text": "Continue."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "So that s how they started getting the flavors."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "They were like, oh, we already know like it gives whatever this chemical gives like a cherry, like to your cherry ripes or whatever."
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"text": "Like, what if you just inhaled it?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "And no one had really done the studies for inhalation."
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"text": "They were just like, it s safe to eat."
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"text": "But we know that like our stomach has acids, like our stomach evolved"
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"text": "to eat weird, potentially dangerous shit."
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"text": "You re eating berries and you re like, this wasn t great, but just get it out, you ll be fine."
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"text": "But your lungs weren t designed to have evolved for that sort of industrial-style clean."
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"text": "And we already have examples where stuff that has been safe to eat"
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"text": "we know is not good for your lungs."
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"text": "And so the example scientists like to use is diacetyl, which is like a buttery flavor that I don t, it shouldn t be put in vapes because we know it s really harmful, but it s put on popcorn."
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"text": "It gives like the buttery taste of popcorn as far as we know, really safe, like very yummy."
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"text": "But then in a popcorn factory a couple of decades ago,"
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"text": "This is how scientists were like desperate to like, do we know anything about its inhalation?"
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"text": "So popcorn factory where they re making their diacetyls going into the popcorn, but there was an accident and a bunch of people inhaled a ton of it."
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"text": "And it, and a lot of them, their lungs just like fucked up a couple needed like lung transplants as a result."
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"text": "And that s like the, and it s called popcorn lung, which maybe you ve heard of."
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"chunk": "4",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "which sort of sounds like, oh, your lungs turning into popcorns, but it s actually from this popcorn factory."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "Oh, I didn t know that."
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"text": "Yeah."
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"chunk": "4",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Okay."
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"chunk": "4",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Yeah."
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"chunk": "4",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "Yeah."
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"chunk": "4",
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"text": "And so that was like the first example where, you know, we know that diacetyl is bad for your lungs."
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"text": "And there have been examples of people who have inhaled a diacetyl in vapes and it hasn t been good for their lungs."
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"text": "So I mean just generally and then the propylene glycol which is the stuff that makes it like fog that makes it like it s like a little fog machine."
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"text": "It is actually the same chemical that s in theater smoke machines."
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"text": "Oh god."
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"text": "The amount of years that I inhaled that"
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"text": "That is so bad."
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"text": "Okay, continue, continue."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Tell me the truth."
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"text": "Right?"
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"text": "I mean, it s like fascinating from like a chemical perspective that you re like, oh, that stage like fog machine."
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"text": "It s like, oh my God, I m in like a fucking Halloween haunted house in my lungs."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "My lungs literally for years looked like a Halloween haunted house."
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"chunk": "4",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "That is exactly."
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"chunk": "4",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "For better or for worse."
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"chunk": "4",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Let me tell you, I was having fun blowing my O s, but I was really like..."
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"chunk": "4",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "But it can t be good."
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"chunk": "4",
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"text": "Or like you re out at a club or whatever and they re putting the pot, you know?"
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"text": "It s like a rave in my lungs."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Yes."
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"chunk": "4",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Okay, yeah."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "Yeah, that s right."
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"chunk": "4",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "And there s evidence that s also not great for your lungs."
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"text": "And they even have studies from theater workers who have had to inhale a ton of this stuff and things like that."
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"text": "So we know all these, they re not good."
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"text": "They re not good."
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"text": "And then there s also some upcoming research into nicotine itself."
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"text": "Because there s been a debate for a long time about whether nicotine is even that bad for you because it s addicting and it s the reason, as you well know, that you want to keep coming back."
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"text": "So in that way it s bad because it s bringing along the flavors."
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"text": "Being addicted to anything s not good."
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"text": "Well, yeah, I mean, I guess it s a philosophical debate."
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"text": "Yeah, that is."
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"text": "See, it s funny you say that because that was something that I did research on."
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"text": "I always would do research and cherry pick the studies or things that I would look at to allow me to continue vaping."
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"text": "I would literally cherry pick the articles."
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"text": "I fully know what I was doing, but I would be like, I read one article once that nicotine as a chemical, it s the same as caffeine."
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"text": "It might be a little bit more addicting, but when it comes to like,"
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"text": "it s risks, I guess?"
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"text": "It was equal."
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"text": "So now there s this new, that was kind of how I had understood it as well, and then when we did this episode and dove in, that was like kind of for a long time, and because it s so hard to study, because most of our nicotine research comes from smokers,"
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"text": "And so you re like, how are you supposed to know what caused the damage?"
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"text": "Like the nicotine in the tobacco or everything else that you re smoking?"
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"text": "Exactly."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "Like when you burn the tobacco."
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"text": "And so now they re doing research and it s really at its early stages."
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"text": "So what we ve known for a while is that smokers have a high risk of getting depression."
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"text": "And for a long time, there was this question of correlation causation, which is basically this question of what did the smoking"
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"text": "It just wasn t clear whether nicotine was... Then they started to see the same pattern with vapors."
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"text": "So now, to answer that question, science often uses, like, rodent studies, basically, to try and find, like, a mechanism, like, how on earth could nicotine, like, what do we know about nicotine in the brain?"
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"text": "Or in the rat brain?"
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"text": "Um, how could it cause depression?"
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"text": "Does that even make sense?"
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"text": "You know, this early research and the problem is it s in rats."
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"text": "It s not in humans."
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"text": "But what they re finding is that like, there are some areas in the brain, like the reward center that like makes things feel good."
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"text": "like nicotine does seem to be affecting the reward center in these rats."
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"text": "Yep."
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"text": "That makes sense."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "That makes sense."
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"text": "It makes sense."
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"text": "And so there is this question that maybe for some people it s sort of like dampening your enjoyment is sort of the theory, which we know is a symptom of depression is that like things that used to give you joy or that perhaps give other people joy don t, you re like, whatever."
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"text": "Yep."
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"text": "And so that, you know, so that s kind of where the research is at, which is like, we re seeing this trend."
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"text": "We see it in the rats."
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"text": "And yeah, we ll have to wait and see."
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"text": "But I don t want to oversell it that nicotine s going to cause everyone s depression, because that s clearly not the case."
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"text": "But we re just seeing that pattern."
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"text": "And so it s just another reason, I think, if people want to reduce consumption."
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"text": "The few times I ve quit, insane depression."
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"text": "So I think anytime anything changes, my anxiety is just the first thing to react, right?"
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"text": "But horrible anxiety, like the worst."
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"text": "That was really bad."
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"text": "Yeah, no, it was really bad and like mood swings and like all these issues and then you know now I m My nicotine consumption if you were to like look at how much I m consuming now versus when I was using the bit It s much less and I do feel much more emotionally stable"
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"text": "Which is interesting."
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"text": "And my parents noticed that too."
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"text": "They re like, oh my God, when you re not... I always get so mad at my mom, because she d be like, I swear to God, the vape makes you a wreck."
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"text": "Bitch."
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"chunk": "5",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Me being so mean to my mom, and it s because I m vaping?"
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"text": "Because I m vaping."
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"chunk": "5",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I m being rude to her because I m so strong on this shit."
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"text": "What are you saying?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "What are you saying?"
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"text": "I am so emotionally stable right now."
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"text": "I think it definitely made me, or I noticed that sort of, I don t know, I think there is an emotional impact."
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"text": "Overall, the consensus is we don t actually know that much about vaping, but we know that we shouldn t be doing it."
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"text": "All the signs are pointing to if you cannot do it, that s great."
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"text": "And the less that you do it, the better."
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"text": "Right."
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"text": "Have you done anything about alcohol?"
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"text": "Yeah."
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"text": "Is there any way to drink alcohol?"
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"text": "Because I ve seen so many contradicting things."
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"text": "There s been the study, a glass of red wine every night, it doesn t hurt."
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"text": "I ve seen that."
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"text": "It s like, if you only have it a few times a week, right?"
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"text": "Yeah."
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"text": "The alcohol episode was one that actually made me change my habits and made me change the way I drink."
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"text": "It s actually kind of like a really interesting science story of why we thought alcohol was good for your heart."
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"text": "Yeah, alcohol looks the best."
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"text": "Interesting."
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"text": "Antioxidants, antioxidants must be good for your heart."
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"text": "Now we have a mechanism."
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"text": "You can talk about philosophy, but when you, okay, but that s like, oh, okay, great."
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"text": "Now you have an hour used up."
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"text": "Then you start to feel the symptoms of anxiety, right?"
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"text": "You re like noticing maybe your heart s beating a little bit faster than normal or maybe you re breathing a little bit faster than normal."
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"text": "Like, is this the time that it never goes away and I feel like this for the rest of my life?"
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"text": "Because it s such an uncomfortable and eerie and weird feeling that you re like, oh my God, what if it never goes away?"
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"text": "That then makes you feel extreme fear, which then leads you to get a panic attack, which then makes you start breathing faster and makes your heart beat."
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"text": "Something s really wrong with me."
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"text": "And then you have a panic attack."
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"text": "See what I m saying?"
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"text": "It s like, it s all connected."
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"text": "One thing triggers, another thing triggers, another thing."
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"text": "Right."
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"text": "The dissociating passes so much quicker."
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"text": "Whereas when I allow myself to be afraid of it, it just makes it worse."
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"text": "And now that I know that it s normal, it s completely normal to feel like you can t breathe and to feel dizzy,"
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"text": "Now I don t get as afraid of those symptoms."
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"text": "I know, hey, you know what?"
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"text": "I m just on the verge of a panic attack or I m having a panic attack."
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"text": "When did this sort of message come into your brain and dig into it?"
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"text": "They re not working because they have to, they re working because they want to, right?"
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"text": "And so financial independence is anyone who has enough money to do that, right?"
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"text": "On a smaller scale, it s the person who works as a registered nurse, but saves"
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"text": "And so she s like, cool, I ve got enough, right?"
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"text": "But the problem is when we conflate those ideas together, we end up with a bunch of problems."
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"text": "So what about yours?"
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"text": "All right."
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"text": "And if you can master all of those, then you ve got the building blocks of good overall financial wellness."
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"text": "So financial psychology is the first piece, it s the foundational piece, and it s, I would argue, the most important piece."
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"text": "To get to the root of why we behave the way we do with money, we need to understand our own inner psychology."
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"text": "And by doing so, you ve sabotaged your own success, even at a subconscious level, you hold yourself back."
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"text": "Because why would you ever want to be rich or successful or powerful if you deep down believe that rich, successful, powerful people are evil or bad or greedy?"
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"text": "So either way, regardless of whether it s due to scarcity or due to abundance, you are living in the state of hypervigilance."
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"text": "So then what is the happy state?"
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"text": "No, I love this."
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"text": "But I wonder if that s because, you know, when you were a kid, you didn t have a whole lot."
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"text": "And now you have significantly more."
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"text": "Fundamentally, all you need is that, again, with mine, just like the other, just the F and the I. You need to understand your own financial psychology and you need to, at a minimum, you need to invest for retirement, right?"
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"text": "But you need some type of an account where you can make investments in, you know, you can buy into a broad market index fund."
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"text": "this is happening, there s a recession going on, or I m worried that there might be a recession coming up."
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"text": "There s a pandemic happening right now."
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"text": "People are looking around at all of these big geopolitical events, and they re trying to make guesses about what might happen in the future, and they re trying to time the market."
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"text": "That s a mistake."
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"text": "Don t do any of that."
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"text": "The people who are the most successful just routinely put in exactly the same amount of money with every single paycheck."
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"text": "And so imagine that you get paid once every two weeks, right?"
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"text": "And we ll say with every paycheck you put in X amount of money."
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"text": "Maybe it s $100, maybe it s $500, maybe it s $1,000, whatever you can afford."
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"text": "If you re putting in the same, we ll say just $500, if you re putting in the same $500 per paycheck,"
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"text": "then naturally whenever the stock market is expensive, meaning when stocks are high, naturally that same $500 is going to buy fewer shares because stocks are expensive."
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"text": "And if you re putting in that same $500 every two weeks, every paycheck, then naturally when stocks are low, that same $500 is going to buy more."
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"text": "So by virtue of putting in the same fixed amount of money with every paycheck, you inherently automatically end up buying more stocks when they re cheap and fewer stocks when they re expensive."
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"text": "So I guess that s sort of the most practical."
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"text": "piece of advice for like the average person."
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"text": "It s like it s like anyone can benefit from from investing in this simple way."
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"text": "But I guess my question is like, what about people who are, let s say, in student debt or"
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"text": "So it s like, how do you, you know, how do you get there?"
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"text": "then start with 1%."
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"text": "And if you just continually do that, start with 1% and then increase by an additional 1% every month."
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"text": "And do that for somewhere between 6 to 12 months."
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"text": "Right?"
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"text": "But it s going to be gradual, right?"
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"text": "It s going to start with 1% this month, and it s going to be 2% next month, and it s going to be 3% the month after that."
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"text": "And then the question is, all right, how do I either cut my expenses by $50 a month, or how do I increase my income by $50 a month?"
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"text": "And so you re every month you re solving for that."
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"text": "But of course, in a given month, you re never going to cut exactly 50 or earn exactly 50."
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"text": "Right."
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"text": "But what that does is like if you stay on that trajectory, if your goal each month, we ll say you make five thousand a month."
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"text": "your goal each month is just to increase it by an extra 50 bucks a month, then even if one month it s 30, and the next month it s 70, and the next month it s 45, you re still kind of hugging to that 50 bucks a month, and you re still increasing over time."
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"text": "So it s almost like it motivates you to sort of, I don t know, you can get really creative to make that $50, for example."
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"text": "it ll sort of give you a reason to do that that you wouldn t else otherwise, you know what I mean?"
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"text": "What is your advice for people who sort of maybe have a mentality where they re like, I can t, you know, like people who are like, I can t make money."
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"text": "Like I don t attract money."
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"text": "I don t make money."
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"text": "There s no getting out of it."
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"text": "You know, the story that you tell yourself, right, your money story that you tell yourself is the single biggest predictor of your financial future."
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"text": "If you tell yourself the story that you just described, then that story becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy."
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"text": "And a large part of that is because the story that you just described is a story where what s called your locus of control is outside of yourself."
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"text": "Locus just means location, right?"
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"text": "So where you locate the source of control, the source of power, if you locate that into the external world and you say, the external world is broken."
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"text": "which it is, that s true."
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"text": "But if you put all of your, if you give that all of your power and you don t see the power inside of yourself, then you do end up stuck."
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"text": "But so what you need to do is change that story and flip that script."
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"text": "I don t care."
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"text": "It truly is yours."
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"text": "realize something new about myself that I ve never even touched on in that I have never."
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"text": "It s weird."
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"text": "But I ve known many people like this."
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"text": "So that s why I m mentioning it."
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"text": "Another example, when people, primarily guys, try to start a fight at a bar to impress a girl."
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"text": "Like anytime someone tries to pick a fight to impress someone else, that is cringe."
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"text": "I think it s cringe because, again, it lacks social cues, so it s uncomfortable."
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"text": "it tends to be sort of awkward."
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"text": "It s not necessarily stereotypically uncool."
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"text": "Like I think stereotypically it is cool to win a fight in a way, but that s almost what makes it uncool is that anytime somebody tries to start a fight at a bar or something, it s very clear that they re trying to be cool by doing it, which then makes it uncool."
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"text": "Of course, when adults try to say young slang,"
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"text": "To be cool with the kids?"
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"text": "No."
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"text": "There s something really irritating about that when it s clear that the adult doesn t get it and isn t trying to figure it out even, just is just like haphazardly picking it up and throwing it around."
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"text": "That s cringe and that s infuriating."
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"text": "There are adults that can throw slang around and it works because for whatever reason, they get it."
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"text": "Like they did research on it, they get it."
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"text": "This actually goes beyond adults with kids."
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"text": "This can sort of happen in any scenario."
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"text": "It s just someone using terminology, slang if you will, that isn t theirs."
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"text": "Like they don t get it, you know?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Like there s slang terms that I don t understand, whether it s because I m not on that corner of the internet, or it s not relevant where I live, whatever it may be."
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"text": "And therefore, I don t use them."
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"text": "You know what I m saying?"
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"text": "Because it s like,"
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"text": "I don t get it."
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"text": "I m not in on that joke."
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"text": "I m not in that club."
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"text": "So I don t use that verbiage."
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"text": "You know what I m saying?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Now, it d be one thing if it started to click for me, it started to make sense for me, and then I start naturally using it."
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"text": "But it s when someone forces themselves to talk a certain way to try to fit into a certain group."
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"text": "whether it s adults trying to be like kids or whatever, that s cringe."
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"text": "I sound like such a bully today, but I ve done all the I ve probably done all these things, so it s fine."
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"text": "It s like I m guilty, too."
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"text": "OK, so keep that in mind."
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"text": "Another example, I think extreme narcissism is also cringe."
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"text": "Like, you know, someone who s constantly looking in the mirror, taking selfies, speaks highly of themselves."
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"text": "in unison with speaking horribly about others."
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"text": "You know, someone who never has anything constructive to say about themselves."
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"text": "It s always like, I m perfect."
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"text": "I have nothing to fix."
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"text": "That tends to be cringe, I think, because it s just naturally a delusional state of mind, I guess."
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"text": "We re all flawed."
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"text": "We all have work to do."
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"text": "We all have areas that we need to improve."
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"text": "And so if you re living in a state where you re like, I m perfect, no one s better than me, I m the princess of the universe, that s cringe because that s impossible."
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"text": "No one is that."
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"text": "So if you re aware that no one is that, then when you see someone behaving like that, you can t really take them seriously and you see them as sort of delusional and that is cringe."
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"text": "when someone fakes interest in something to try and bond and relate with someone else."
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"text": "This is cringe."
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"text": "You can tell when somebody doesn t really understand what you re talking about."
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"text": "You know, it s like if I were to go on a date with a guy and he s really into cars, guess who s not into cars?"
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"text": "Me."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I don t know shit about cars, but then I try to be like, well, my grandpa has a 1967 Ford Mustang."
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"text": "And I actually like worked on the,"
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"text": "worked on it once with him one summer."
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"text": "And then the guy s like, did you really?"
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"text": "Like, oh, well."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "What kind of motor does it have?"
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"text": "You know what I mean?"
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"text": "And then it s like awkward, because it s like obvious that you re faking it."
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"text": "That s uncomfortable."
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"text": "Or, you know, someone s nodding and shaking their head, being like, oh, yeah, no, I know."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Yeah, yeah, you know."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And then it s clear that they don t know what you re talking about."
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"text": "What I think is better than that is being like, I don t know anything about this."
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"text": "Tap me in."
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"text": "Again, I think that falls under the category of just trying too hard and also lying in a way."
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"text": "Lying itself isn t maybe cringe, but then getting caught in a lie is cringe because it s like, oh, you tried to pull a fast one and you failed."
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"text": "And that s sort of embarrassing, you know."
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"text": "Another cringe example."
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"text": "Someone who tries really hard to keep up with social media trends but they don t quite get it."
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"text": "You know what I mean?"
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"text": "Like there are certain trends that I ll never try because I just don t get it."
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"text": "Like if I tried to do it it would be cringe because it doesn t come naturally for me."
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"text": "So it doesn t look right."
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"text": "It doesn t feel right."
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"text": "It s clearly forced."
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"text": "And it s forced in attempt to maybe go viral, maybe to feel hip and cool."
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"text": "But if it doesn t come naturally to you and it s not something that you d authentically do on your own, it s clear and there s something off about it."
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"text": "You can feel it."
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"text": "And that s cringe."
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"text": "But even people trying to be cool is cringe."
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"text": "Like when somebody s standing in the corner of a party being all moody and whatever, or even when someone posts a photo on social media and they are clearly trying to pose really cool."
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"text": "I probably do this all the time."
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"text": "It s obvious that they re trying to be cool and intimidating and moody."
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"text": "And at times they can pull it off, but I d argue most of the time it s kind of cringe."
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"text": "There are infinite examples of things that make me cringe in a negative way where I m like, oh, oh no."
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"text": "Like, not all of these things are sinister."
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"text": "Not all of these things are wrong."
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"text": "And I actually think I ve probably done a lot of these things."
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"text": "However, these are all things that make somebody tough to be around for me."
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"text": "Fair enough."
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"text": "But they all fall under the category of negative cringe for me."
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"text": "Okay."
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"text": "Now, what do they all have in common?"
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"text": "Number one, their actions rooted in insecurity."
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"text": "I m starting to realize that that s the root of most bad behavior."
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"text": "Number two, lack of humility."
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"text": "A lot of these things lack a sense of humility, lack a sense of self-awareness."
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"text": "Number three, they re impulsive."
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"text": "A lot of these actions are impulsive, like you do these things without thinking."
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"text": "They re not well thought out."
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"text": "Four, they re not authentic to oneself."
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"text": "We have this innate sense in us."
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"text": "We can tell when someone s not being themselves."
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"text": "And we can t always pinpoint what it is, but we can feel it."
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"text": "A lot"
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"text": "these are actions that people wouldn t probably do if they reflected on themselves and their lives a little bit harder."
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"text": "Now let s discuss scenarios that make me cringe in a positive way."
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"text": "Like harmless, sweet, innocent cringe."
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"text": "Yeah, I m cringing, but I still love you."
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"text": "Okay?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Someone overdressing for an event, but strutting around confidently in it."
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"text": "Like, yeah, they stick out like a sore thumb."
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"text": "Everyone s looking at them."
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"text": "They look a little bit weird, but they re owning it."
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"text": "That makes me cringe a little bit, but because they re owning it and because they re selling it, it actually makes me respect them."
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"text": "someone who s dancing horribly at a party like imagine somebody standing in the corner at a party just dancing like a freak okay it s weird to watch it s actually kind of uncomfortable to watch they re in their own world they re deep in it it s cringy to watch but they re confident in their moves they re confident in their moves and they re having a good time and they re dancing for them they re dancing because they enjoy dancing"
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"text": "It s cringe, but again, you have to respect it."
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"text": "Like you can t watch something like that and not feel a little bit of respect for them."
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"text": "Another example, when someone is interested in things that I find to be really weird."
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"text": "Okay."
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"text": "That s a little cringe, right?"
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"text": "Because it s unusual to me."
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"text": "I hear something like that and I m like, what?"
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"text": "But if somebody can talk about those things to me and show me passion about them,"
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"text": "I might cringe a little bit, but my cringe quickly gets replaced by curiosity and there s something endearing about someone who has a weird hobby or thing that they like."
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"text": "I don t know."
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"text": "who is inherently cringe, like their wedding photos are just overdone over the top, and it s cringe, and they constantly are participating in PDA, and they always post photos of each other on Instagram, but you can tell that they re doing it for them."
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"text": "You can just tell, you can feel in your core that they re doing it for them."
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"text": "They re sharing it with the world because they re like, we don t know what else to do."
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"text": "We don t know any other way to live."
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"text": "We re so passionate about each other that there s no other way for us to take wedding photos, but to make them over the top."
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"text": "There s no way for us to be in public without being all over each other."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Social media is about posting about your life."
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"text": "I don t know what else to post about."
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"text": "I m just in love with my Significant other you can tell when there are couples like that where it s just genuine love and obsession and it is cringe."
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"text": "It s so cringe It s like stop you guys."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "This is so cringe, but also don t stop because this is actually beautiful and rare You guys just genuinely are this obsessed with each other?"
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"text": "You know what?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "That s endearing."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Enjoy it It s making me uncomfortable, but I can t help but be on your team"
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"text": "I could go on all day, but I can t make an entire episode of just examples of things."
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"text": "All of these things do undeniably make me cringe, but it s in a benign way."
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"text": "I think what all these things have in common is that even though they re uncool, they re weird, they re uncomfortable,"
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"text": "They re genuine and there s confidence involved."
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"text": "They re not trying to be something that they re not."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And so even though the action in itself is cringe, it s received in a loving way because it s rooted in somebody being their authentic self."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Now, here s the ultimate question, okay?"
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"text": "Is it possible to never be cringe?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I don t think so."
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"text": "I think that inevitably, we are all cringe sometimes."
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"text": "Let s say your goal is to never be cringe."
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"text": "If you re trying to be something that you re not, you will end up being cringe."
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"text": "Majority of the negatively cringey examples I had today were examples of people trying to be cool and it obviously not working because it s unnatural."
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"text": "So inevitably, if you re trying to be cool and trendy and whatever, you re gonna end up being negatively cringed sometimes, right?"
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"text": "that s the worst case scenario."
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"text": "When we re afraid of being cringe, we try too hard and then we re more cringe."
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"text": "And over time, it actually becomes something that you love about the person."
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"text": "Now, the reason why this is great is because then you can be more confident in who you are, which will then, ironically, make you less cringe because you will be being yourself."
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"text": "I made a whole episode about that, how nobody s actually cool."
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"text": "So if you want to listen to that, go listen to that."
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"text": "But everyone is cringe."
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"text": "Some people are just better at hiding it, but they re cringe too."
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"text": "I don t know."
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"text": "I don t know."
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"text": "This is all my opinion."
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"text": "You can shoot me a message on Instagram at anythinggoes."
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"text": "Follow my Instagram at Emma Chamberlain."
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"text": "Listen to new episodes of Anything Goes every Thursday and Sunday."
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"text": "Check out my coffee company, ChamberlainCoffee.com."
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"text": "And that s all I have."
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"text": "That s all I have."
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"text": "Please let me know your thoughts."
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"text": "And hopefully, I ll get to talk to you soon."
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"text": "Okay, love you all."
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"text": "Talk to you soon."
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"text": "I m gonna go be positively cringe today."
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"text": "So, I don t know what that looks like yet, but I ll figure it out."
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"text": "Just the fact that I have a Stanley Cup two feet away from me right now is a little cringe."
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"text": "Who knows?"
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"text": "Anyway, okay, I love you all, and I appreciate you all, and thank you for listening and hanging out with me."
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"text": "It s always such a treat, and I ll be talking to you soon."
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"text": "to be human today."
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"text": "is to be stressed out."
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"text": "We shall see."
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"text": "Let s start out with the pros of dressing in a uniform."
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"text": "Number one, I can spend almost an hour, I mentioned this earlier, picking out an outfit."
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"text": "Dressing in a uniform would save me so much time."
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"text": "Let s say, for the sake of math and statistics, that it takes me 45 minutes on average to pick out an outfit."
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"text": "Usually I have to pick out an outfit three times a week on the low end."
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"text": "Usually twice during the weekend I have to pick out a cute outfit, whether it s to go hang out with friends or it s to go out to dinner."
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"text": "And then during the week I often have to get dressed for a meeting at least once or maybe"
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"text": "get dressed for a podcast interview where I m on camera."
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"text": "Sometimes I have to pick out an outfit seven times in a week."
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"text": "But for the sake of math, let s say on average three times a week I have to pick out an outfit."
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"text": "Having a uniform would save me two hours and 15 minutes per week on the low end."
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"text": "Nine hours a month, 108 hours per year on the low end."
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"text": "That s a lot of time."
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"text": "So not having to pick out an outfit, that would save me a lot of time."
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"text": "You know what else I do a lot?"
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"text": "Shopping."
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"text": "That s again, on the low end."
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"text": "By quitting that, I would save eight hours per month in 96 hours per year."
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"text": "On the low end."
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"text": "That s a lot of time."
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"text": "I would also save time when packing for trips."
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"text": "I travel approximately twice a month and it usually takes me approximately eight hours to pack and I know that that sounds wild but I ll tell you why."
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"text": "It s because I only pack a carry-on and when I pack for a trip I have to figure out how to create as many"
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"text": "So what I usually do is pick out four pairs of pants that all look good with the same one or two pairs of shoes, and then I pick out like four tops that look good with all of those pairs of pants and those one or two pairs of shoes."
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"text": "It takes me so long."
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"text": "You know, is this trip more casual?"
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"text": "Great."
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"text": "Then I can create casual outfits."
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"text": "Am I doing a little bit of both?"
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"text": "Am I going to some events?"
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"text": "Okay, well now I need to somehow balance that."
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"text": "Do you see what I m saying?"
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"text": "It takes me a long time to pack."
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"text": "I travel approximately twice a month, okay?"
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"text": "I travel a lot."
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"text": "Now listen, I d probably still need an hour to pack with a uniform because packing just takes a while in general, but if I had a uniform, I d save seven hours every time I pack, which would save me 14 hours a month, 168 hours per year."
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"text": "Okay, so now let s add this up."
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"text": "If I had a uniform, I would save approximately 372 hours a year."
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"text": "That s a little bit over an hour a day, which might not seem like a lot, or it might."
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"text": "You can do so much in 372 hours."
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"text": "Now, ideally, I would use this time wisely, right?"
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"text": "I d learn a new hobby."
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"text": "I don t know."
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"text": "But it cannot be overlooked that a lot of time would be saved having a uniform."
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"text": "Like, it s very safe to say that, I would say."
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"text": "Now, a promising pro is that not putting creative effort into picking out my outfits will leave more creative juice for other things."
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"text": "And don t get me wrong, I enjoy the act of picking out an outfit."
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"text": "I love it."
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"text": "Like, I d rather take that energy and make a YouTube video, you know, like make an interesting YouTube video or learn how to use my camera better so I can take better photos or learn how to play an instrument so I can learn how to play music."
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"text": "Putting together an outfit is fulfilling to an extent, but doing it on a weekly basis and spending a lot of my creative energy every week doing that, I just, I think it s wasting a lot of my creative juice."
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"text": "And I never thought of it like that because to think of it like that feels like overthinking it."
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"text": "And also on top of that, this is maybe a more niche sort of element of all this, but when I go to fashion shows, fashion events, red carpet events, et cetera, I work with my stylist, Jared, and he goes and basically rents clothing for these events."
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"text": "That could be an opportunity for me to play around, because those clothes are ultimately given back, right?"
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"text": "The amount of closet space I m gonna have if I do this, wow, it makes me smile, like I m smiling thinking about it, because I am a clothing collector."
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"text": "And also, it s like a good way to stimulate collagen in your skin and keep your skin healthy."
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"text": "And these are all different wavelengths of light in order to stimulate collagen growth and to stimulate the skin to regenerate itself, right?"
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"text": "So if you re 15 years old and you get a cut on your face, it heals pretty quickly, right?"
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"text": "I think the only risk would be if you come in and you have been on Accutane or Retin-A, those things make your skin more sensitive to any light, right?"
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"text": "And so you can use, if somebody came in and say they lied and they didn t tell me, and then I would use the setting that I thought was appropriate for them, and it was like really bad, it could possibly blister or something like that."
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"text": "And then I have Morpheus, which is, and again, these are microneedling with radio frequency."
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"text": "So important."
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"text": "After I ve done it three times, that s 15%."
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"text": "So people are doing it on their abdomen."
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"text": "I m doing it."
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"text": "And skin that you didn t even know was going to be a problem starts to become a problem."
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"text": "You re like, I never knew I had crepey, thin, saggy skin here."
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"text": "Totally."
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"text": "Because some people genetically, and it s not an age thing, they just have a heavier hooded eyelid."
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"text": "And so instead of going in and getting surgery there, you can do a teeny bit of tightening."
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"text": "We don t have to reverse, we don t have to completely stop, but pumping the brakes just makes you tread water."
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"text": "How long have you been in this field?"
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"text": "You ve seen it all."
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"text": "I made her promise to never do it again."
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"text": "There s so many other reasons why it s not okay, which I will get into."
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"text": "I mean, one highly illegal, but that s not even... The real problem here is if that needle punctures a blood vessel,"
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"text": "Just like I said, the street that I pulled in here, it s connected to the 405, it s connected to a freeway in New York if we drive long enough, right?"
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"text": "that can go to your head and you have a stroke and die."
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"text": "You can go to your lungs and you can have a pulmonary embolism."
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"text": "You can die."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
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"text": "And the other problem is that they show their friends."
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"text": "For a few years."
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"text": "And so, and they re not looking at, I feel like I m a skin detective."
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"text": "Is that right?"
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"text": "And they re like, oh, I didn t think about that."
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"text": "So all of these things you don t think about, you know, that are, that are exacerbating whatever problem you have with your skin."
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"text": "There s so many factors."
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"text": "Your diet."
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"text": "You ve got to decrease the amount of sugar and processed foods that you re eating."
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"text": "bird s eye view, if you wanna get a procedure done, you should probably get your routine in order first, because I think- It s like before you get pregnant, be in the best shape."
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"text": "Yep."
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"text": "So you could make the pigmentation worse."
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"text": "Yep."
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"text": "If you get this sun exposure."
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"text": "So, I m going to show you a picture."
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"text": "I want you to tell me what, this is a truck driver, he drove a truck his whole life."
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"text": "Okay, so we know that UVA rays penetrate glass and clouds, right?"
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"text": "Can you tell me what side his window was on?"
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"text": "It s pretty fucking obvious."
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"text": "That s on the right, the one I m looking at."
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"text": "It s on his left."
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"text": "Okay, so what does that mean?"
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"text": "That means that the UVA light that s penetrating into your car is aging your skin."
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"text": "Yeah."
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"text": "And he just started wearing sunscreen."
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"text": "Isn t that so funny?"
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"text": "Weirdly, this just made me want to wear it better."
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"text": "So there s a reason why it s called the glove box, right?"
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"text": "Yeah."
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"text": "You can get gloves on Amazon that are like $5 that have the fingers cut out."
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"text": "And guess what else you can use them for?"
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"text": "Oh, when you get your nails done."
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"text": "I think they re $5.99."
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"text": "But the other culprit to skin aging is the sunroof."
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"text": "We re sitting in our car all day long."
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"text": "And some people go, Oh, I think mine has a UV filter."
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"text": "I went in and got a piece of black poster board."
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"text": "Great."
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"text": "I have total blackout in my car."
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"text": "Wait, you have so many life hacks."
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"text": "I feel like go through all of your life hacks."
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"text": "OK, so that s a great life hack."
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"text": "Yeah."
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"text": "Oftentimes people will also do it while they sleep."
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"text": "Or there s also a tape by 3M, it s called paper tape, and you can get it on Amazon, but you can also get it at all of the drugstores, right?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Oh!"
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"text": "And then every time you make that frown, it s like a constant tap on the shoulder reminder."
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"text": "You can t do it."
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"text": "So wear that when you sleep."
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"text": "You can leave it right by your bed, and it comes right off."
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"text": "Do you feel like people take the hacks too far?"
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"text": "Like, how do you feel about, I remember I saw this straw one time that s like, so that you don t like,"
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"text": "It s like so instead of going like I think that s a little crazy."
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"text": "It was like a straw where you could just go."
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"text": "I think that s ridiculous."
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"text": "Dude, I ve seen it."
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"text": "I think it s a little ridiculous."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Isn t that crazy?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Yeah, because wrinkles are there when you re doing something constantly and excessively."
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"text": "Yeah, like having a little sip out of the straw, it s like, what s happening?"
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"text": "Exactly."
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"text": "It can t control your life."
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"text": "take seriously enough how your well-being impacts the way that you look."
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"text": "It s everything."
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"text": "People do not realize that."
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"text": "It really does."
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"text": "And it sounds corny and it sounds stupid, but I think even you must agree."
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"text": "It s so true."
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"text": "It all starts there."
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"text": "It s like when someone s in love."
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"text": "You can tell."
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"text": "I want you and everyone else to be in love with themselves."
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"text": "Yeah, so much in love with yourself that you re like, oh no, I m going home to go to bed."
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"text": "Yeah."
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"text": "Oh, no, I m not gonna do that."
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"text": "Yeah, super kindly and You ll see a difference."
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"text": "It s so true."
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"text": "Yeah, it is palpable true."
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"text": "Yeah Is there anything else you want to touch on?"
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"text": "I mean, I don t think so."
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"text": "I think that s good."
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"text": "That was great."
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"text": "Well, thank you for coming on."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Of course."
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"text": "You re the best."
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"text": "That was awesome."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And I ll see you soon for laser."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "For sure."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And maybe masseter Botox."
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"text": "You are noticing a decrease, right?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Oh my God."
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"text": "I exfoliated and it was like, it all fell out."
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"text": "Like I don t eat whatever."
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"text": "you feel, you know, the muse keeps like tapping you on the forehead long enough and you re like, ah, for fuck s sake, I ll be fine."
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"text": "What would be your advice, I guess, to somebody who is so obsessed with productivity and like, you know, and success and this, this, and that, but they re miserable?"
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"text": "Yeah, that s a big question."
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"text": "A lot of things are fundamentally driven by a desire to improve our lives."
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"text": "But we can get distracted by these secondary metrics."
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"text": "Investing."
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"text": "Why are you investing?"
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"text": "People say, well, I m investing to grow my money."
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"text": "OK, you re investing to grow your money."
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"text": "Why do you want to grow your money?"
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"text": "Well, because then I ll have this money, and I ll have retirement."
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"text": "OK."
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"text": "Well, because I want security."
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"text": "Okay, what is security?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "What is that feeling that you re going for?"
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"text": "Well, it s ultimately, for a lot of people, feeling more peace of mind on a day-to-day basis."
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"text": "But what do they do?"
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"text": "They decide to put it in the latest shitcoin, crypto, whatever, that is bouncing all over the place, and they re stressed out of their minds."
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"text": "And I m like, if you get distracted by the secondary metric of, like,"
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"text": "compounded annual growth rate, you re going to make bad decisions."
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"text": "You have to keep the fundamental"
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"text": "So I would say that for people who are miserable in the quest for productivity, often it s because they forget about like the layer one, now I m using crypto terms, but meaning the fundamental layer, they forget about the fundamental layer driver, like the primary driver they should pay attention to, and they re getting distracted by metrics that are higher up."
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"text": "that are vanity metrics or they re just distracting metrics, right?"
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"text": "And not to beat this drum too hard, but it s like modern tech platforms are not"
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"text": "designed to maximize your well-being."
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"text": "Oh."
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"text": "Just to be very clear."
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"text": "Oh, no, they re not."
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"text": "And we can come back to that."
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"text": "But I will say that for people who are miserable with productivity, I would say generally it s because they probably have a target that is energy out instead of energy in."
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"text": "Yep."
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"text": "Or they have not taken the time to define a target, which is even worse."
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"text": "And secondly, it s the belief that productivity means more is more."
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"text": "And for me, I ll add one more thing to that, but for me, I m always looking for, if you look at any of my books, one of the commonalities is searching for something that"
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"text": "Especially with things that are a little dicey, like Tylenol, acetaminophen, which can have incredible liver toxicity if you take too much."
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"text": "And it s not that much at all."
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"text": "You re looking for the least you can take to produce the desired effect."
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"text": "That s how I think about productivity."
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"text": "I m trying to do, and there was a very famous, I m blanking on his name, track athlete who had many athletes with world records."
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"text": "And he said, the goal is to do the least necessary, not the most possible."
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"text": "And that is a fun puzzle for me to try to solve."
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"text": "And I use the word elegance very deliberately."
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"text": "I mentioned it earlier."
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"text": "It s like the fewest pieces in the least dose to get what I want."
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"text": "Because when you aim for that, you get fewer side effects, just like with drugs."
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"text": "The last thing I would say is a lot of folks who are striving to be hyper-productive and they re really stressed out, it s because they have chosen a really crowded, what you might call red ocean."
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"text": "A brutally competitive, fast-changing game."
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"text": "Totally."
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"text": "Aim to be a category of one."
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"text": "Choose an uncrowded game or create a new game for yourself where you can be the one and the only."
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"text": "And part of the reason I m looking for what my new experiments might be is that when I started, for instance, the podcast in 2014, there were already podcasts."
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"text": "So there was a proof of concept, but it was not mainstream in any capacity."
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"text": "I feel that."
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"text": "And then they re like, you know what, Mr. Ferris, stay exactly where you are."
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"text": "And they move the tables."
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"text": "And now the roulette is in front of me."
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"text": "we re in a real, like, hustle culture of it all, to use the lifestyle hustle."
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"text": "I know, I used that in the beginning."
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"text": "Like whether you have a bakery or you are, you know, you re the bakery and you re like, whatever it is."
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"text": "It s like, if I didn t post on social media, I would delete the apps to not be addicted anymore."
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"text": "But I can t."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Let me push back on that."
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"text": "This might be helpful."
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"text": "Because I m so addicted to my phone."
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"text": "Let s push back."
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"text": "I don t have any social media apps on my phone."
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"text": "I m not saying that is optimal if your goal is to grow your following because the platforms and the algorithms dictate what you will be rewarded for as an obedient little"
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"text": "little puppy begging at the heels of whatever platform you happen to be on."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "That sounds a little harsh, but you get the idea."
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"text": "Like the rules of the games, how confident can you feel in your choice of game when the rules of the game constantly change?"
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"text": "No wonder you re stressed out, of course."
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"text": "And what I would say though is"
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"text": "But that seems like a hypothesis worth testing where you could say, OK, I m going to do two weeks, no social."
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"text": "Now, to do that, though, you have to decide how you re going to evaluate whether"
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"text": "So this is where I think it gets challenging for folks if they, for instance, have sponsored posts on social and that is their metric, as an example, or in stories or whatever it might be."
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"text": "Then, yes, you are captive to the platform."
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"text": "You can assess your progress, what you need to do or don t need to do, by something other than the metrics the platform gives you."
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"text": "And this is just a long way of saying, you can test it."
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"text": "You can test all of these things."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "They are not permanent decisions."
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"text": "Right."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Right."
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"text": "Absolutely."
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"text": "I know."
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"text": "And I ll add one thing to that, which is sometimes the pain isn t acute enough."
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"text": "So, you know, I listened to your episode from 2021."
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"text": "Rock bottom."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And but you said something which I ve thought a lot myself."
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"text": "If something is just if something s mediocre or a little bit painful and you can tolerate it for a long time, that is oftentimes a more precarious situation than really acute"
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"text": "devastating pain because the latter forces you often to do something."
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"text": "Yes."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Sometimes you need to manufacture that though."
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"text": "Yes."
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"text": "So for instance, right now you re like, I d love to, but I can t, I can t, I m not sure."
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"text": "It s like, okay, let s say you continue doing exactly what you re doing."
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"text": "What does your life look like?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Mental health, physical health, friendships, finances, this, this, this."
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"text": "If you look out three years, all right,"
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"text": "Okay."
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"text": "It s like pebble in the shoe that right now is a little irritating, but on a hundred mile march, like you re going to tear your feet to pieces."
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"text": "Yep."
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"text": "So like, let s just say the risk of taking two weeks without doing any social posts yourself."
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"text": "And we think about the risks of that action."
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"text": "That s a new thing."
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"text": "But we don t compare it to something."
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"text": "Yeah."
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"text": "And it s the simplest thing ever."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
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"text": "There s a book called The Case Against Reality by a scientist named Donald Hoffman, which I think makes this very compelling."
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"text": "But if I were a mantis shrimp or a sparrow, this room would not look the same."
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"text": "So that s okay."
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"text": "That s so real."
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"text": "A lot of what we think, the things we take to be our beliefs are not our beliefs."
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"text": "They re our parents beliefs or expectations or the product of difficult experiences or maybe fantastic experiences that have distorted things and those things have not been reexamined."
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"text": "Amen."
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"text": "Thank you so much."
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"text": "Yeah, thank you."
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"text": "or for their YouTube channel or for whatever, they start coming up with stories about ghosts, okay?"
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"text": "in my house like talking to this ghost like dude cut it out all right simmer we re gonna have to take this down to a better level because where you re at right now uh-uh you re getting too brave with it you re getting a little bit too brave with it i m not gonna kick you out you know what you live here too maybe you lived here when you were before you died i don t know this can be your house too but you just need to respect me and my and my well-being because that was too far"
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"text": "You have no idea."
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"text": "And I m just so grateful that I m okay and that everything s fine and that, oh, but I just, oh my God."
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"text": "So moral of the story is I think I have a ghost in my house, but maybe I m being dramatic."
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"text": "Do you think this is just a weird string of coincidences?"
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"text": "Like, let me know on the Instagram at anythinggoes."
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"text": "You can follow me on Instagram at Emma Chamberlain."
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"text": "You can check out my coffee company, chamberlaincoffee.com."
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"text": "See if we re in a store near you or just order online, straight to your door."
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"text": "Boom."
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"text": "Coffee, matcha, cute little accessories."
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"text": "New episodes of Anything Goes."
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"text": "I love you all."
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"text": "I appreciate you all."
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"text": "So stop lying to the public."
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"text": "It s just weird."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "But that s fair."
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"text": "By the way, that s happened, not with you, with other people."
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"text": "I ll tell you about it later."
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"text": "Sending someone out and having no control."
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"text": "Horrible."
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"text": "There s a gust of wind when the photo s taken."
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"text": "Uh-oh."
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"text": "Horrible."
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"text": "I don t think so."
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"text": "I don t think I ve ever told this sort of story."
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"text": "Like, I don t think I ve ever talked about this publicly."
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"text": "Maybe I have."
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"text": "When I go to events, when I do red carpets, when I go to the fashion shows, I m also a mess."
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"text": "Yeah."
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"text": "As you should be, yeah."
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"text": "I m like, it doesn t matter how good I feel in person, it doesn t matter how confident I feel in person, if the lighting s off, if the photographers aren t good, if, I don t know, there s a weird shadow somewhere, I mean, Jared, you know, it s ruined my day."
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"text": "Which one are you referring to?"
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"text": "It s not always the outfit."
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"text": "Like Venice day one red dress."
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"text": "Which was crazy because I thought you looked amazing."
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"text": "It looked so good on Instagram."
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"text": "Or no, it looked so good on iPhone."
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"text": "Sometimes you just can t."
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"text": "It s like... Vanity Fair."
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"text": "Sometimes I do."
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"text": "That s an impossible place."
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"text": "Yeah."
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"text": "Red dress."
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"text": "You tell it."
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"text": "challenging and this specific dress was too long so we had to figure out a way to make it shorter but it was so thin that it wasn t an easy dress to make shorter so a special like hand sewn alteration that didn t cut anything had to be done and it was like kind of a big train so it was all the way around so that happened you tried it on you did glam"
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"text": "And this is just what happens, like you, no shade to the tailor, like that just happens when you re working with- Well, because my shoe got caught on it and ripped the thin thread, and it s just like, that s all that-"
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"text": "in a way that s shocking if you actually think about it."
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"text": "But I will say it is so influential, because our little sliver of time and what we currently wear is so different than even 50 years ago, which is so different than 50 years before that, and is so different than what it will be."
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"text": "So there s a lot of politics and culture."
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"text": "deeply embedded in fashion."
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"text": "Like when you wanted to start doing minimalism, which was like maybe a year ago?"
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"text": "Yeah."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "I was like, okay."
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"text": "And then it was a thing."
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"text": "At least for us."
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"text": "I feel like, remember when I, okay, so I wore that black dress."
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"text": "To the CFDA Awards, and it was this corseted black strapless dress, and I did a little Vogue interview on Instagram where I was like, I don t know, I ve just been in a more grungier phase, and all the comments were like,"
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"text": "I m like, no, no, no."
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{
"chunk": "5",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Yeah, we re on the clock."
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{
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "This is a fucking meeting."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Okay, we re on the clock."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I m in a really weird phase right now."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I have a few things happening in my head."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "Talk to me."
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"text": "Okay, number one, it s definitely vampire core for me."
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"text": "Explain but like not full vampire, but like I don t know, you know, I ve been loving like it s it s black white gray Yeah, it s silver jewelry."
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"text": "It s like, you know, super like Suiting like silhouettes like yeah, you know like a little vest a little, you know My favorite black bag is like sort of almost a briefcase briefcase esque it s like wearing like a deep lip liner not covering my under-eye bags and"
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"text": "I think it maybe speaks to like your previous conversation about through lines and like maybe figuring out a way to make it feel like one girl, even if it s just for like... I love this."
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"text": "Love!"
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"text": "We re so far apart."
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"text": "What do you think?"
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"text": "And there s a lot of time."
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"text": "That s totally true."
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"text": "Okay, yeah, let s leave."
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"text": "Thank you for coming on my show."
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"text": "A few weeks ago, I was talking to a loved one, and this particular loved one makes music."
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"text": "I wish I at least knew how to make ambient music because number 1, I like listening to it."
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"text": "Number 2, it would be so cool to put ambient music in my YouTube videos."
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"text": "Like I found the best definitions on websites that are not like scientific journals, okay?"
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"text": "They create self-awareness that stops you from chasing after your dreams, forming healthy relationships with people, and creating change in any area of your life."
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"text": "Having primarily negative beliefs puts boundaries and limitations on things in our lives and keeps us within our comfort zones."
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"text": "It is these thoughts, whether conscious or unconscious, that we regard as absolute truths."
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"text": "But yet, I didn t realize until recently that I had a limiting belief about my own personal ability to teach myself things."
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"text": "I ve been subconsciously telling myself that it s too hard for me because I m not smart enough and I m not capable enough to figure it out and that it s too hard to find adequate resources."
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"text": "And lazy people can t teach themselves how to do new things, now can they?"
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"text": "I ve subconsciously told myself that I don t have enough time."
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"text": "I ve subconsciously convinced myself that there s no use in challenging myself outside of my work life, because what s the point?"
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"text": "paying the bills, you know?"
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"text": "And it s crazy to me how different that perspective is from the message that I spread to the rest of the world, you know?"
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"text": "So I already did that with at least a good chunk of my limiting beliefs."
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"text": "The internet recommends that you reflect on your behavior, figure out when this belief formed and why, then write everything down on paper."
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"text": "It s easier to organize your thoughts when they re outside of your messy brain."
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"text": "Like trying to organize things like this just in your head is so, it s so challenging."
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"text": "It s just messy, at least for me."
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"text": "This will show where your specific problem areas are and can help you sort of connect the dots and figure out, okay, what are my limiting beliefs?"
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"text": "This is a belief rooted in a mini little trauma or a dumb idea that you picked up a long time ago."
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"text": "If you ve had a certain belief for a long time, there s a chance that you have a strong emotional bond to the belief."
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"text": "And if you have a limiting belief that s a huge chunk of your foundation, taking that out makes you feel uneasy."
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"text": "Like you either are lovable or you re not."
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"text": "But I can t go back in time, can I?"
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"text": "And give another example."
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"text": "You get what I m saying, okay?"
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"text": "If your limiting belief told you that you were too old to start a new hobby, instead adopt the belief that it s never too late to start."
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"text": "But if you re just trying to convince yourself in your imagination, it s much harder."
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"text": "Because a lot of times, our limiting beliefs come from life experience, you know?"
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"text": "To get there, we have to put ourselves out of our comfort zone a little bit, but if we can do that, then it s good."
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"text": "With this, you ll be sending congruent signals to your brain, making it work for you."
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"text": "That s a really abstract piece of advice from the internet, but I m going to try to analyze it anyway."
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"text": "For the limiting belief that I will never be enough for a man, I need to replace the thought that there will always be someone out there who s better than me with there s no one else out there like me."
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"text": "We ll see how it goes then."
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"text": "And it was hard for me to admit to myself because I didn t want to believe that the advice that I give to the world could be so different to the beliefs that I hold so close to my own heart."
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"text": "And this is how my limiting beliefs present themselves, but everybody s different because some people have more limiting beliefs about the world or about how life works."
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"text": "When it comes to limiting beliefs, I m a narcissist, okay?"
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"text": "It s all about me."
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"text": "I m excited to see how eradicating these beliefs impacts my life, and maybe at some point I will update you on that."
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"text": "But anyway, I hope you enjoyed this episode, and if you did, tune in Thursdays and Sundays."
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"text": "You can follow anythinggoes on Instagram at anythinggoes."
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"text": "You can follow me on Instagram at Emma Chamberlain."
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"text": "You can check out my coffee company, Chamberlain Coffee."
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"text": "And if we re not, or if you just don t want to go to the store,"
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"text": "Or sometimes I ll have been a fan of maybe it s a music artist or an actress or a model or something like that and you ve become friends with them and then you come home and then you tell me stories about an evening out where you ve run into them and then the conversations you ve had or whatever."
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"text": "Really?"
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"text": "Okay, that s great."
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"text": "That s out."
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"text": "Five, constantly being available and responding to every text."
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"text": "No, an expectation has been created to constantly be available, constantly respond to everything."
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"text": "And a lot of us feel bad that we re not like that all the time."
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"text": "You know, we feel bad if we can t respond to everything."
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"text": "We feel this pressure to always be available."
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"text": "And I think that s out."
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"text": "2024, I think we re all going to collectively agree that it s not that deep if we don t respond to a text for a few days."
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"text": "It s not that deep if we don t respond to a text at all."
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"text": "Sometimes we just don t have it in us to be communicating at all times."
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"text": "I think the expectation is going to lower in 2024."
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"text": "And I hope that in 2024, we collectively take that pressure off of ourselves to always be available."
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"text": "But in addition to that, we also take the pressure off of others to always be available."
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"text": "It s kind of ridiculous if you think about it."
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"text": "It s a really big ask of ourselves and of others to always be available and to always want to respond."
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"text": "We re not built to communicate in that way."
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"text": "We re built to communicate in a much less intense or frequent way."
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"text": "I feel like we re built to communicate with people who are around us in a given moment."
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"text": "And then when we re alone, to be fully alone."
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"text": "But that s sort of gone now because we can just text each other, email each other, call each other, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, at all times."
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"text": "And it makes it so that you never get to fully be alone and recharge in a way."
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"text": "And so I think"
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"text": "Maybe."
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"text": "Maybe things are going to change."
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"text": "Going off of that, number six, showing virtual face on FaceTime or on Zoom."
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"text": "2024, we can turn off the Zoom camera."
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"text": "We don t need to show our face in every meeting."
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"text": "We re calling instead of FaceTiming."
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"text": "It s so exhausting to always be on camera."
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"text": "I already started turning my Zoom camera off nine out of 10 meetings that I m in."
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"text": "And I always apologize for it."
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"text": "I say, sorry, I don t really want to be on camera today."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Well, I don t say it like that."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "That s so weird."
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"text": "Sorry, you guys."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I don t really want to be on camera today."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I just feel like, no, it s not that."
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"text": "Excuse me."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
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"text": "I always bring it up and I m like, don t take it personal."
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"text": "I just don t like being on camera, basically."
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"text": "On top of that, I ve been calling people instead of FaceTiming them."
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"text": "Because there s something fatiguing and exhausting about having a conversation virtually and your face being visible."
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"text": "It s not that it s just visible to them, it s also visible to you."
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"text": "Like, when you re on Zoom or you re on FaceTime, you can see yourself in the corner of the screen."
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"text": "And there s something exhausting about that."
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"text": "I don t like to think about what I look like when I m having a conversation."
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"text": "I feel like it distracts me from communicating properly."
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"text": "So I think showing face virtually, it s out."
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"text": "Listen, it s fair to feel guilty if you really did something wrong."
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"text": "Like cutting a friend out of our lives who doesn t make us feel good, doesn t click with our life."
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"text": "We don t need to feel bad about that."
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"text": "We re human."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Being lazy sometimes."
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"text": "We don t need to feel guilty about that."
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"text": "It s out."
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"text": "We ve all found ourselves going through a rough time and thought, you know what would fix this?"
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"text": "Adopting an animal companion."
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"text": "Okay, it s not a coincidence."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I have multiple options available for that, but that s not an ideal situation."
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"text": "I probably shouldn t have done that, right?"
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"text": "No, you don t."
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"text": "You need to analyze your entire life."
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"text": "Is this a good idea?"
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"text": "How often do you travel?"
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"text": "Do you work from home?"
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"text": "I would say 9 out of 10 people shouldn t have a pet."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Like my lifestyle does not align with having a pet."
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"text": "2024, we re not impulsively adopting pets."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s done."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s out."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s over."
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"text": "Hear me out."
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"text": "I think food delivery on a special occasion is phenomenal."
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"text": "Occasional food delivery is incredible."
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"text": "It s great."
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"text": "It s a novelty."
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"text": "That is out."
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"text": "I m not sure if this is something that people do more in big cities."
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"text": "So I don t know if this is more of a niche one, but I know a lot of people that order food delivery on a daily basis."
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"text": "And understandably so."
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"text": "I ve gone through phases like that because it s so convenient."
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"text": "I m just going to order food, you know?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "But here s why I think it s going to be out."
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"text": "Number one, it is definitely not cost effective."
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"text": "It s very expensive."
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"text": "It s an expensive habit."
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"text": "Not only is restaurant food more expensive, but also there are delivery fees."
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"text": "There s all these different taxes like, oh, delivery."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I don t know."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "There s all these things happening."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "The price is always higher than you think it s going to be."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "You re burning money almost, you know, if you re doing it all the time."
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"text": "It s like burning money."
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"text": "But if you do it all the time, then it s not that anymore and you take it for granted."
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"text": "I ve been really cooking for myself."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I m making the same things every week."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s boring."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s therapeutic in a lot of ways."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Not only that, but it s much more cost effective, okay?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "My grocery bill compared to like my postmates bill, oh my God."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I think abusing food delivery is out."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Special occasions only."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Get back into cooking again."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And you don t need to cook yourself anything super extravagant."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Just do what your ancestors were doing and cook again."
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"text": "Number 10, ordering everything online."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Don t get me wrong."
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"text": "We re never going to stop ordering things online."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Never."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "But now that COVID s over and everything s open again and it s been a few years, I think shopping in person is going to come back."
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"text": "And I think ordering everything online is going to be out."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Here s why."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "In a lot of ways, it s less convenient to order everything online."
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"chunk": "2",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s so nice to go into a store and enjoy your time there."
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"chunk": "2",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And to get all the stuff that you need, but also maybe pick up some other stuff that you didn t know you needed."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Discover new stuff."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "If you re shopping for clothes, you can try things on."
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"text": "You don t have to deal with the pesky returns."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I don t know."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "For a long time, it was all about online shopping."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And online shopping will never fully be out, but I think it s going to go out a little bit."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I think ordering everything online is out."
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"chunk": "2",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I think it s going to become ordering just some stuff online and getting back into the stores."
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"chunk": "2",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Maybe I m wrong."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "If we were to look at the data, the data is not showing that."
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"text": "Okay, I m going against all the data, but I could see people craving the experience of going to a store again and the convenience in some ways of going to the store again, especially I think for clothing shopping."
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"text": "11."
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"text": "Irresponsible tattoo."
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"text": "Picture this."
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"text": "It s a night out."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "You and all your friends are a little buzzed."
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"text": "You walk past a tattoo shop."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Somebody says, wait, we should all get a matching tattoo."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Fuck it."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "You go in and get something hideous."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Two years later, you re not even friends with those people anymore."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "This shit s out, okay, this shit is out."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Irresponsible tattoos are out."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Getting a matching tattoo with your significant other, don t do that, that s out, that is out."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s cursed and it s out, don t do that."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Getting a super trendy tattoo that s really of the now, that s not even that personal to you, it s just trendy, that s out, don t do that."
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"text": "What s in is to take tattoos seriously."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "What s out is to just go out on a whim and get a tattoo."
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"text": "That has to be out soon."
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"text": "I feel like a lot of us don t take tattoos that seriously, but it is crazy how permanent they are."
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"text": "They re very permanent."
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"text": "You can t get them lasered off, sure, but who wants to do that?"
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"text": "It s a huge decision to get a tattoo."
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"text": "You want to make sure you go to a great artist who has good technique and has a lot of experience."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "You want to make sure you re in the right frame of mind and that you ve fully thought about what you re going to get."
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"chunk": "2",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "and you love the idea and you know that it s timeless and it ll never get old to you."
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"text": "It s the only way to get tattoos I think."
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"text": "I have quite a few actually."
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"text": "I have like 12 or 15 and they re all on the insides of my arms and every single one is meaningful to me."
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"text": "I do have one irresponsible tattoo."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Do I regret getting it?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "No, because I just don t think regret is a necessary emotion."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "But I do have one."
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"text": "If I were to be faced with the choice of getting it now, would I get it?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "No, absolutely not."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "But in the moment, I wanted to do it."
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"text": "And you re young and you re like, oh, I m going to get a matching tattoo, like with someone."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Terrible idea."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Don t ever do that."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Literally don t ever do that."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Sorry."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I don t regret it, but I wouldn t do it again."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And if I could go back, I wouldn t do that."
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"text": "And moving forward, I won t do that again."
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"text": "I think irresponsible tattoos are out."
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"text": "Number 12, tampons."
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"text": "I m so sick and tired of tampons."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I need them sometimes."
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"text": "If I m going to a red carpet event and I m wearing this gown and I won t be able to address the situation for hours on end, it s pretty handy to have a big tampon that will soak it all up, holding it down in there."
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"text": "Don t get me wrong, I rely on tampons."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "But I have a very vivid fear of toxic shock."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "If you don t know what that is, I will tell you."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It is a rare, life-threatening complication of certain bacterial infections."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And you can get it from wearing a tampon."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "According to my.clevelandclinic.org, there isn t a set time for when symptoms of toxic shock syndrome start after using a tampon."
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"text": "However, tampons should be removed from your vagina after eight hours to lower your risk of toxic shock syndrome."
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"text": "This doesn t mean that you will get toxic shock syndrome if a tampon is left in your vagina for longer than eight hours."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It means studies have shown that prolonged use of a tampon promotes the production of harmful bacteria."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s so scary."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Now I don t want to fear monger here because I don t think that it s, it s not very common, right?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And I think if you re using tampons responsibly and you re taking them out responsibly, you know, you re not leaving them in for too long, I think."
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"text": "you know, you re most likely going to be fine."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And if you start to get a fever while you re wearing a tampon, then you take it out immediately and go to the hospital."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s like, you know, we re going to be fine."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "But I have a lot of paranoia around them because it scares me."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And also a lot of them have fragrances in them."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Like a lot of tampons have fragrances in them and other like harmful chemicals and stuff."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And you can buy ones that don t, but they re less available."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "So like if you randomly ask someone for a tampon, they re probably going to give you one that"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "isn t like all natural and shit, and that s not good for your vagina."
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"text": "I m just over tampons."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "They stress me out so much, and they re very uncomfortable, and I think that tampons are out."
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"text": "Sorry."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I love wearing a pad."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I ve been wearing pads more recently, and it s like kind of amazing."
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"text": "I can t do it when my period s super heavy,"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "But when it s a bit lighter, I m wearing a pad."
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"text": "I also wear period underwear that soak up the blood."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It kind of has like a built-in pad."
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"text": "Love those."
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"text": "I ve been pondering getting one of those menstrual cups."
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"text": "It s like a reusable cup that collects all the blood and you can reuse it forever."
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"text": "Probably not forever, but for a while."
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"text": "I just think tampons are out."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "They re so convenient, but they might be"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Be out."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Number 13, extreme PDA."
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"text": "I m talking about grabbing each other s asses in public, making out when it s kind of inappropriate."
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"text": "It s like the lights are a little too bright in here for you guys to be making out."
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"text": "You know, being super overwhelmingly affectionate with your significant other in front of other people during conversation, like it s distracting, it s inappropriate, it s weird."
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"text": "I love PDA."
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"text": "When I m in a relationship, I actually enjoy it."
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"text": "I like a little grab on the leg under the table at a restaurant with friends, with bae."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I love that."
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"text": "I love even a casual arm around me."
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"text": "I like a little kiss on the cheek in public."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I love that."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I think that s great."
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"text": "I love a little holding hands when waiting in line at a coffee shop."
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"text": "I love that."
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"text": "But I think overwhelming PDA kind of needs to go out."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Like, a few weeks ago I was at a party, and let me paint the scene for you, okay?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Well-lit room, like very well-lit, like everyone could see everyone."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Everybody s sitting around super casually, right?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Just sitting on the couch casually."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "There s a lot of space for everyone to just hang out comfortably and spread out."
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"text": "And this one couple, and I don t want to shit on them because I bet they re really happy and I don t want to shit on their happiness, but at the same time I m about to do it, so sorry."
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"text": "They re sitting on each other s lap."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "kind of like making out a little bit like not fully but like kind of and it was just a little inappropriate to me i was like this is not the right time for that you re gonna go home and you re gonna like have sex like just wait or like"
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"text": "sit next to each other and hold hands, but like sitting on each other and like kind of making out in front of everyone in a well-lit room."
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"text": "I just think it s a little weird, and I think it makes people uncomfortable, and I just don t think it s the vibe in 2024."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I just don t."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I think we re leaving that in the past."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "But see part of me is actually hesitant to say this because I actually kind of love watching a super affectionate couple, even if it makes me kind of cringe, I kind of love it."
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"text": "you know put their hand on each other s butt or something and like kind of squeezing a little bit it s so cringe it s like please don t do that like why are you doing that that s really like don t wait just wait but then i m also like can t take my eyes off it i m like i m so intriguing i i can t stop watching or if i see like a couple making out in the middle of a party in front of everyone part of me is a little uncomfortable and part of me is like come on you guys like save it"
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"text": "you know, save it or like go in a corner, you know, but then part of me is like, I can t take my eyes off."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I don t know."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Maybe I m being a little bit too rigid about it."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Maybe I m being close minded about it."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Maybe there s something I need to work on myself."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Maybe I m being too judgmental."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Maybe I m inflicting my own beliefs on other people."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "But I don t know."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Extreme PDA."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I don t know."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I think it s out."
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"text": "Speaking of that, number 14, hookup culture."
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"text": "I think it s out."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I think it s out."
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"text": "It was in for the last few years, you know, being on the dating apps simply to hook up with people, going out, just wanting to hook up with people, a societal fear of commitment, like everyone collectively being afraid of commitment."
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"text": "I feel like that s out actually."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I feel like this year people are going to be looking for someone serious."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I think hookup culture has its benefits."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I get it."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "You know, the idea that you can be single, but yet you can still enjoy sex."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Like, I get it."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I totally get it."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "But I think a lot of people do want a partner in crime."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "deep down."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And not everyone, okay, not everyone."
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"text": "I think there s always going to be people who prefer just hooking up."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "That s great."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "That s fine."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I m not judging."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "But I do think that in mass, people are going to be looking for more serious relationships."
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"text": "You know, they re going to be using the dating apps and putting in their little description, I m looking for something serious."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Like I see that happening and I see intense hookup culture sort of dying out a little bit."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I think it might be out."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I don t know."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I actually saw some people say that in their ins and outs list."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And I, I d been thinking that too."
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"text": "I mean, for me, it s always sort of an out."
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"text": "I ve tried."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I ve tried."
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"text": "I ve tried."
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"text": "I ve tried to enjoy like a random hookup."
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"text": "I really have tried."
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"text": "It s just not me."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I m such a relationship girl."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And so maybe I m biased, right?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Maybe I m biased."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "But I don t think so."
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"text": "I actually think"
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"text": "It s happening in our culture."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Maybe not though."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Maybe not."
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"text": "We ll see."
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"text": "Number 15, playing hard to get."
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"text": "Stop."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I m so done with that."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I m so done with that."
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"text": "Games, playing games and relationships are out in 2024."
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"text": "It s time to say to the person you like, I like you."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s time to shower people with love and affection."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s time to respond to your crush the second that they text you, not wait four hours to make them think you re busy all the time."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "That s out."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I m so done with that."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "If you feel like you have to do that, chances are the person that you re talking to is not good for you."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I ve learned that recently."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "If you feel like you need to manipulate them into being excited about you by being a challenge, I genuinely don t think they re good for you."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Now,"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Have I played that game a lot in my life?"
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"text": "Absolutely."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I ve never been great at it, but I ve definitely tried it."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I ve definitely toyed around with it."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And I ve personally made the decision that I m done, okay?"
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "But I think that, again, as a collective, we re all sick of it."
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"text": "We re all sick of the games."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s so fun to really like someone and them really like you and to just lean into it full throttle, just to gush for each other."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "to be present for each other and to be vulnerable and put it all out on the table."
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"text": "I think finding somebody that you re able to do that with is rare, but it s worth the hunt because I think that those are the relationships that are going to last longer."
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"text": "If you feel comfortable and safe to do that, then you ve found somebody who likes you just as much as you like them."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Because a lot of times we end up playing games because either one, we don t feel like the other person likes us as much as we like them."
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"text": "And so we re playing hard to get in a way to match their level of effort or to make them more obsessed with us."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Or we play hard to get because we personally are insecure and we re like, oh my God, I don t feel like I can"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "fully show how much I care, blah, blah, blah, because I don t feel like I m worthy of love and appreciation and reciprocation of that."
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"text": "It s just naturally loving and exciting and warm and open and vulnerable."
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"text": "Number 16, waiting in long lines."
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"text": "I recently saw on the news that"
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"text": "There was a Target-Starbucks-Stanley Cup collab."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s this bright pink cup."
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"text": "If you don t know what I m talking about, just look up Target-Starbucks-Stanley Cup and you ll see what I m talking about."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "There were people waiting outside of Target for eight hours to get this cup, okay?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It was ridiculous."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And everyone was in a line."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It was intense."
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"text": "Unbelievable."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Now, I actually appreciate people being excited about things."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I think that that s great."
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"text": "Okay?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
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"text": "I more want to shit on waiting in line."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Waiting in line for that just to potentially not even get the cup, I don t know."
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"text": "I don t know if that s a good use of your time."
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"text": "But I also understand the novelty of it."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "So I m sort of on the fence with this, but I think in general, waiting in line, I just think it s out."
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"text": "The only difference is the ambiance in one of them is better than the other."
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"text": "Maybe the other one s more trendy."
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"text": "Maybe the one with the long line is like the hot spot, whereas the other one is maybe a little bit less Instagrammable, a little bit less aesthetically pleasing."
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"text": "It s maybe a little bit more homey."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Maybe the crowd that goes to that coffee shop is a little bit different than the type of crowd that you tend to surround yourself with."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I think it s in to go to the underrated coffee shop and not have to wait in the line."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Like another good example, okay?"
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"text": "On New Year s, I was in New York City and there are all these parties with long lines and all these bars with long lines because those were the hotspots to go."
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"text": "You know what my friends and I did?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "We went to this horrible, horrible dive bar."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "No one was there."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "There was no line."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "You know, every time we wanted to get a drink, it was like, okay, just walk up to the bar."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "You don t even have to wait."
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"chunk": "4",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And we ended up having more fun."
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"chunk": "4",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "We ended up having more fun."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It was so tempting to go to the popular spot and to wait in that line."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "But you know what?"
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"text": "I m so glad we didn t because we would have gotten in there and we would have ended up getting disappointed."
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"text": "That s the other thing about a long line."
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"text": "If you re waiting in a long line for something, it s because you have an expectation and you re so much more likely to be disappointed."
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"text": "If you aren t waiting in a long line, you have no expectation."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "You re like, this is easy."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "So I m just going to be happy with what I get."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I don t know."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I think long lines are out."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Number 17, quantity over quality."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Buying one really nice shirt instead of five shitty ones."
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"chunk": "4",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Getting one really nice bottle of wine instead of ordering 10 shitty cocktails over the course of the night."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "10 cocktails is a lot."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Okay, don t do that."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Let s say this, okay, getting one nice bottle of wine instead of ordering five tequila shots over the course of the night."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "You know, quality over quantity."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "One good friend instead of five mediocre ones."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "One good romantic interest instead of 10 mediocre ones."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "That s the mindset for 2024."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "A lot of us by default feel like more is better."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "you know, with shopping, for example, buying clothes."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s like, I d rather have five different shirts than one shirt because now I can make more outfits."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Yeah, but one really good shirt can be styled a bazillion different ways, and it s enjoyable to wear, it s comfortable, and it lasts forever."
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"text": "Five shitty shirts, you get sick of them."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "They start falling apart."
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{
"chunk": "4",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "They re not as comfortable because they re not made beautifully, you know?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "10 mediocre romantic interests."
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{
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "will leave you feeling more lonely and more sad than one really promising romantic interest."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "You know what I m saying?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "One really nice bottle of wine is a novelty."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "God, that s my word of the day."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "W-O-T-D, word of the day, novelty."
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{
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I love that word today."
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"chunk": "4",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I always do this."
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"chunk": "4",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I always get a word that I can t stop using."
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"chunk": "4",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I have a few words right now that I can t stop using."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Novelty, apparently,"
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"chunk": "4",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Indulgent, can t stop saying it, such a good word."
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"chunk": "4",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Oh wow, such a good word."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Indulgent, novelty, and that might be it right now."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "The word prior to those two was phenomenal."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I couldn t stop saying phenomenal."
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"chunk": "4",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It was really heavily in the rotation."
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"chunk": "4",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Kind of glad to see it go though, to be honest, because it was sort of, not pretentious, but it was just,"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "kind of pretentious."
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{
"chunk": "4",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "But I was always saying it tongue-in-cheek,"
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{
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Like being like, wow, this food is phenomenal."
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"chunk": "4",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s just like, Emma, shut the fuck up."
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{
"chunk": "4",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s not funny, no one s laughing, and it s just cringe."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "But I couldn t help it."
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"chunk": "4",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I couldn t help it."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Quantity over quality is out."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Number 18, spinach artichoke dip."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I m so sorry."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Can we not order that for the table?"
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{
"chunk": "4",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Can that just be taken off of every menu?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I know a lot of you are gonna be mad at me."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "A lot of you are gonna say, Emma, spinach artichoke dip is delicious."
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"chunk": "4",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Why don t you give it more of a chance?"
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{
"chunk": "4",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "No, it s gross."
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"chunk": "4",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "If there was no spinach and no artichoke in it and it was just like a cheesy sort of dip, great, I would eat it."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I don t need the spinach in it."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I don t need the artichoke in it."
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"chunk": "4",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s like slimy and gross."
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"chunk": "4",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I don t like it."
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"chunk": "4",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Every time I see it on a menu, I m like, why?"
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"chunk": "4",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I find it to be disgusting and I think it s out."
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"chunk": "4",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I think it s going to be exiting the popular restaurants menus soon."
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{
"chunk": "4",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I think it s just going to be out soon."
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"chunk": "4",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And I m fucking stoked to see it go."
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"chunk": "4",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I m so stoked to see it go."
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"chunk": "4",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "If that gets ordered for the table, I m not going to have a bite of it."
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{
"chunk": "4",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Same with tartare."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I mean, I m a vegetarian, so I wouldn t eat it anyway, but even if I wasn t, I would be so grossed out by it."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Steak tartare, tuna tartare, mashed up raw meat."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Ew."
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"chunk": "4",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Okay, sorry."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Again, I don t want to yuck someone s yum."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And I don t think Tartare is going out anytime soon, but ew."
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"text": "Number 19, movies with old stories."
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"text": "Let me explain."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I feel like all the movies that I ve been seeing coming out recently are old stories."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Okay, for example, celebrity biopics, Marilyn Monroe movie, Elvis movie, et cetera, et cetera."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I appreciate it, but it s also like, what about something new?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "What about something fresh?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "You know, they re remaking a lot of the Disney movies."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s like, what about a new story?"
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"chunk": "4",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "That would be so fun."
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"chunk": "4",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Maybe it s because it doesn t perform as well."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "But I don t know, like new stories."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Like they ve made so many Exorcist movies."
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"chunk": "4",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s like the same story over and over."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I don t know."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Like, I feel like in Hollywood, they just keep doing remakes or retelling old stories."
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"text": "Number 20, being late."
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"text": "Can we all just leave 15 minutes earlier than we think we need to?"
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"text": "And it s so, so intriguing, and it s so interesting, and it s so hard to look away."
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"text": "If you want to know what s going on, you have to be involved."
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"text": "And I need to elaborate because there s a lot of nuance here."
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"text": "The Instagram for Anything Goes is at anythinggoes and you can let me know what you think there."
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"text": "stream anywhere, you listen to podcasts, watch video exclusively on Spotify."
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"text": "You know, and so like and you keep getting better, you know, and so"
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"text": "Apparently, all the cool kids have been discussing what they think is going to be in in 2024 and what they think is going to be out in 2024, what they think is going to be hot in 2024, what they think is going to be not in 2024."
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"text": "This is the conversation happening on the internet right now."
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"text": "And normally, I m late to these conversations because I don t have a TikTok."
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"text": "Normally, I find out about these conversations three months late through Instagram Reels and in really dark times, YouTube Shorts."
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"text": "But not this time."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Not this time."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "This time, the conversation made its way to Instagram Reels and YouTube Shorts a little bit early."
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"text": "So guess what?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Emma gets to participate."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Emma gets to participate in the trendy conversation that s happening."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "This is so exciting for her."
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"text": "I m so excited that I m going to make a two-part series."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Yeah, a two-part series about what I think is going to be in and what I think is going to be out in 2024."
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"text": "It s such a rare occasion that I m on time to these conversations that I have to take advantage of it."
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"text": "I have to enjoy this experience."
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"text": "And so in this episode, I m going to share what I think is going to be in, in 2024."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And next week, I m going to share what I think is going to be out in 2024."
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"text": "So stay tuned for that."
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"text": "But today we re going to be discussing what is going to be in."
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"text": "What is in?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Now let me be clear, I m not talking about what s going to be in, in any particular category, okay?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "This is just what I think is going to be in broadly."
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"text": "And you can disagree with me."
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"text": "In fact, I love when you disagree with me."
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"text": "But this is just what my gut is telling me."
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"text": "This is just what my intuition has told me, and I can t fight that voice."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I m sorry, I just can t."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I just can t."
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"text": "Let s begin."
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"text": "Number one, being unapologetically choogy."
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"text": "Most of you probably know what choogy means, but for the few of you that don t, choogy is a slang adjective mocking someone or something as uncool."
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"text": "They are out of touch with current trends or trying too hard to be trendy."
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"text": "Similar slang terms are basic or normie."
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"text": "Listen, a lot of us want to be cool."
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"text": "I want to be cool."
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"text": "I d say it s been a priority for me in the past to be cool."
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"text": "And I think it s even still a priority for me now, but I m ready to go back to being a little chew-gear."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "A little more basic, okay?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I m sick of everything having to be perfectly aesthetic, and vintage, and retro, and artsy, and tastefully done."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "No!"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "We can t live like that 100% of the time, okay?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Sometimes we want to go to Bath & Body Works and buy a fucking candle that has terrible packaging, that smells delicious."
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"text": "Is that chuggy?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Yes, that s chuggy."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "But do I have a Bath & Body Works candle lit right now that smells like sugar cookies?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Yes."
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"text": "Is it making me happy?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Yes."
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"text": "Does it completely throw off the aesthetic of my room?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Yes, it ruins it."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "But fuck it, because the candle smells good and it makes me happy."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "You know what?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I like my Stanley Cup."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Okay, Stanley Cups are considered choogy."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "If you don t know what a Stanley Cup is, Google it, look at the photo, and you ll say, oh yeah, I know what that is."
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"text": "It s the big stainless steel cup with the handle on it that has a straw coming out the top."
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"text": "You ve seen it."
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"text": "A lot of people think that this cup is chuggy."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Because it is."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Okay?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Everyone has one."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "But I fucking love my Stanley Cup."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I love my Stanley Cup."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It keeps me hydrated."
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"text": "It makes me happy."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "When I buy a new color of a Stanley Cup, I m happy."
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"text": "I m excited."
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"text": "It brings me joy."
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"text": "It s something I use every single day."
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"text": "I love that fucking cup."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Let me correct myself."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I love those cups."
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"text": "I have three of them."
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"text": "And I use all of them."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "One of them goes in the dishwasher pulling out the other one."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "One of them breaks or I leave it somewhere."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Oh, great."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I have a third one."
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"text": "It s all amazing."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "The Stanley Cup is amazing."
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"text": "I don t care that it s choogy."
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"text": "I m going to own it."
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"text": "Ugg boots?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I ve been wearing them for the last few years."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I love Ugg boots."
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"text": "Are they choogy?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Yeah, they are."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "But you know what?"
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"text": "Actually, Ugg boots kind of became trendy."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Honestly, Ugg boots really became trendy."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Wow."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "They re not even choogy anymore, I m realizing."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Okay, well, ignore that example."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "You get the idea, okay?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Everyone s so obsessed with being cool these days that they don t get to enjoy choogy shit anymore."
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"text": "And I think, as a collective, as a society, we should all come together and be okay with being choogy again, just a little bit."
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"text": "We don t have to be choogy across the board, just choogy in little ways that make us happy."
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"text": "It s in, it s in for 2024, mark my words."
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"text": "Number two, the five second rule with food."
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"text": "Let me explain."
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"text": "There are a lot of foods that I eat that are perfect for the five second rule."
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"text": "For example, I love grabbing a little handful of almonds."
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"text": "My God, do I love that."
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"text": "I love pouring myself a little bowl of popcorn."
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"text": "Want to know what these two foods have in common?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "They always end up on the floor."
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"text": "Always."
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"text": "Now, every single time I drop a piece of popcorn or an almond on the floor, I ask myself, is it okay for me to eat this?"
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"text": "And almost every time I decide, yes, it is okay for me to eat this, and I eat it off the floor."
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"text": "Now, I don t recommend the five second rule across the board in life."
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"text": "okay if you drop a wet food like you know a piece of pizza with wet cheese on it or i don t know like ice cream on the floor yeah don t pick it up and eat it okay don t do that because it s like picking shit up right but like something a bit drier something a bit airier like a piece of popcorn or a chip or an almond you know what i m saying you can eat that"
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"text": "I guess I must also be clear about where you drop the food."
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"text": "If you re walking around the streets of New York and you drop a piece of popcorn, my God, let that thing go."
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"text": "Let that thing go, okay?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "If you re sitting on public transportation and you drop an almond, my God, kick that under the seat, okay?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Use common sense here."
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"text": "We all have common sense."
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"text": "We know when the five-second rule applies and when it doesn t, but I know that there are a lot of us out there that don t utilize the five-second rule when it s meant to be utilized."
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"text": "Like, when I m at home and I drop an almond on the floor, for fuck s sake, you know, I m not wearing my shoes in the house."
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"text": "I can eat that."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Damn, sometimes, yeah."
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"text": "Shit, I m probably eating dog poop when I drop an almond on the floor and then it picks up a piece of dog poop from my shoe and then I m eating it."
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"text": "But you get what I m saying."
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"text": "Like, we can utilize the five second rule more often than we are."
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"text": "And we re all gonna be fine."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Maybe."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Just be smart."
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"text": "Use common sense with the five-second rule."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Okay, let me clarify."
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"text": "What s in is using the five-second rule with food with common sense, okay?"
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"text": "If you don t have common sense, then you shouldn t use the five-second rule."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "But if you do, you should be using the five-second rule."
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"text": "Just don t forget that it s there and don t be ashamed of it either."
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"text": "Like sometimes I eat a snack in my bed, especially popcorn."
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"text": "I m really in a popcorn phase."
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"text": "I ll eat popcorn in my bed and I ll get a few pieces of popcorn in my bed and I won t notice until like the next day."
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"text": "I m eating that shit."
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"text": "Sorry, I m eating that."
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"text": "That s sort of a version of the five second rule in a way because"
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"text": "Your bed is so clean that it becomes like the 48-hour rule."
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"text": "You can still eat it, in my opinion, in my humble opinion."
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"text": "I just don t think there s anything wrong with it, as long as you re using common sense."
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"text": "And I like the rush that it gives you."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It gives you a little rush, you know?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Fuck it, I don t know."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "You can disagree with me on that one."
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"text": "Number three, high quality entertainment."
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"text": "I ve talked about this quite a bit because I am so dedicated to this concept of consuming high quality entertainment to improve your life."
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"text": "not to be corny, but we are what we consume."
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"text": "When I m watching a lot of toxic shit, like I m watching shitty videos about celebrity drama or"
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"text": "Like, when I m watching shit like that, I feel my brain rotting, okay?"
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"text": "I feel my brain rotting."
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"text": "Now, don t get me wrong, that type of stuff is fun every once in a while."
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"text": "I don t think it s realistic to cut all of that out, but, oh no, you know what?"
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"text": "It is realistic, actually, and that is a goal that I m going to set for myself."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I don t need to consume that type of content at all, okay?"
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"text": "It doesn t benefit me in any way, shape, or form."
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"text": "well-done documentaries, listening to educational or inspirational podcasts, making creative mood boards on Pinterest, watching interesting or wholesome or educational YouTube videos, all put your brain in a better place."
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"text": "I ve noticed in myself, it lowers my anxiety."
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"text": "It teaches me things."
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"text": "It makes me feel more inspired on a day-to-day basis."
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"text": "It changes my whole mindset."
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"text": "I don t know."
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"text": "High quality entertainment is in."
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"text": "Low quality entertainment, gossip, drama, overindulgence, you know, like people flexing their wealth or whatever."
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"text": "No, no, no, no, no."
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"text": "Out."
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"text": "Things that are artistic and beautiful and wholesome and educational and interesting."
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"text": "In, in, in."
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"text": "In."
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"text": "I ve also noticed that that type of content is less addicting."
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"text": "It s much easier to just enjoy a little bit of it and then go back to what you re doing."
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"text": "Because that type of content makes you feel inspired and excited about your life."
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"text": "So then you re stoked to get back to your life when you re done eating your lunch and watching your little YouTube video."
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"text": "You know what I m saying?"
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"text": "When you re scrolling on TikTok, you feel weirdly doomed."
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"text": "And then you don t want to do anything after that."
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"text": "High quality entertainment is in."
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"text": "Reading is in."
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"text": "Okay."
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"text": "I love reading a good fucking book."
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"text": "Fuck."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I love that."
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"text": "But I m so not disciplined about it."
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"text": "I m so bad about it."
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"text": "And this year, I m making it a priority."
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"text": "I m going to read at least a book a month."
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"text": "That s not going to happen, but I m going to set that goal."
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"text": "And even if I read one book every two months, I ll be happy."
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"text": "When I m reading, I ve noticed I m so much less anxious."
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"text": "My vocabulary improves."
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"text": "I feel like my attention span improves."
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"text": "Like, it forces me to slow down."
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"text": "You know, it s just great."
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"text": "It s also a great thing to do before bed, okay?"
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"text": "Instead of scrolling on your phone, scrolling on your computer, watching TV, read a little book for fuck s sake."
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"text": "Reading is in."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s gonna take discipline from all of us, okay?"
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"text": "It s hard because there s so many easy sources of entertainment all around us."
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"text": "But reading has got to be in this year."
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"text": "We have to go back to reading."
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"text": "We have to."
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"text": "We all need it."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "We re all rotting our brains."
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"text": "We have to read this year."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I was so good about reading like a year and a half ago, two years ago, and then I just fell off the horse completely."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Fuck it, I m back and I want it to last for the rest of my life."
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"text": "Reading is in in 2024 and beyond."
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"text": "It has to be."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It has to be."
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"text": "Okay, number five, badminton."
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"text": "Yeah."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Yeah, in 2023, it was all about pickleball."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I m not sure if you heard about that craze, but I did."
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"text": "And I ll tell you, I never played pickleball."
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"text": "I still, actually, maybe I did once with my little cousin."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I can t remember."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Even if I did, my little cousin, this specific little cousin is like eight."
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"text": "And so if we did play pickleball together, she s not, she wasn t playing it properly."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "So it didn t count."
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"chunk": "1",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Does that make sense?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And that s no shade to her."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I love her, but you get the idea."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Did I play pickleball?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Whatever."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Fuck it."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I never participated in that trend."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s all the rage these days."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "That s great."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I think badminton s better."
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"text": "Sorry."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I think badminton is better."
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"text": "Badminton is so unbelievably underrated."
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"text": "If you ve never played badminton, what are you doing?"
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"text": "You have a racket and you have this little thing called a birdie that s this ball with a"
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"text": "It s like a ball that has feathers coming out of it almost."
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"text": "And it s very lightweight and you just hit it back and forth."
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"text": "And it s so much fun."
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"text": "It s easy."
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"text": "There s barely any learning curve."
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"text": "Like you can be good at badminton almost immediately."
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"text": "It s not like tennis where there s all this technique."
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"text": "You know, I even think pickleball probably requires some technique."
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"text": "You can be good at it in an hour."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "You could figure it out."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And I think that that s good when it comes to little activities, you know?"
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"text": "A lot of us have jobs, have shit that we have to do."
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"text": "Something like badminton inspires us to go outside and play like kids again, and my God, do we need that."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Yeah, we need that."
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"text": "2023, everyone was cutting their hair."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Everybody was getting a haircut."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Everyone was cutting their hair short, dyeing it various colors."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "2024, we re healing our hair."
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"text": "We re going back to our natural color."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "We re growing it out long just to see what it feels like again, because my God, haven t we all forgot?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Natural hair is back."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s in."
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"chunk": "1",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It wasn t in for a while there."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It was all about doing something eye-catching with the hair."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I did a blonde bob for a while."
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"text": "I did an orange bob for a while."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I had a super dark brown shag, which was not an intentional haircut."
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"text": "That was kind of an accidental haircut, but regardless, I did that."
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"text": "Now I m ready to grow my hair out, okay?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I m ready to just be natural again."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "My hair was so damaged, and it was so short, and yeah, you know, having long, natural hair is maybe less fashion forward."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I don t give a fuck."
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"text": "I m going back to all natural, okay, with the hair."
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"text": "This might not be in for everyone, but I m telling you it s in for me."
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"text": "And I think it ll be in for a lot of us, not for all of us, but there s been so many damaging hair trends over the last few years that I think everyone s ready to just go back to natural hair."
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"text": "Hear me out, okay?"
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"text": "Imagine this, you cook yourself a little pasta, nothing special."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "That is a whole new dish."
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"text": "Wow, that s a whole new dish."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Potatoes without rosemary."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Okay, that s pretty good."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Wow, that s good."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Wow, that s good."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Wow, that s good."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Wow, that s good."
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"text": "They wilt immediately."
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"text": "It s a nightmare."
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"text": "And it keeps growing more and more."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Wow, that s delicious."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "You make a little fresh mint tea."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Oh God, that s amazing."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "You re making little spring rolls, you throw some basil and some mint in there, and some cilantro, maybe you throw some cilantro in there, wow, that s amazing."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "You re making some potatoes, wow, throwing in some rosemary, all from my garden, wow, that s amazing."
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"text": "You don t need to have a big garden, okay?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s gardening for the average person, and it s satisfying in all ways."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s unrealistic for all of us to start a garden, okay?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I have a small little garden in my backyard, and let me tell you, it s a mess."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s a mess."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Everything s dead."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s too much work."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
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"text": "Then I might get 50 cherry tomatoes during the summer, but I end up getting to a lot of them too late."
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"text": "They re not all done at the same time."
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"text": "I don t know."
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"text": "I don t know."
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"text": "I ve had a hard time with my garden, except for with the herbs."
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"text": "The herbs, they re thriving, and I always have enough."
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"text": "Number eight, random weekend road trip."
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"text": "We need to be going on random little weekend road trips more often."
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"text": "I m not kidding."
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"text": "Otherwise, we find ourselves in a slump."
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"text": "It s so important to change up the scenery every once in a while."
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"text": "Now, when I say a little weekend road trip, I m not saying you need to rent an Airbnb and have this extravagant road trip."
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"text": "driving to a friend that lives five hours away and staying at their house for the weekend."
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"text": "It could be driving home and visiting your family for the weekend if you live a few hours away from your family."
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"text": "It could be a little camping trip."
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"text": "Like it doesn t need to be extravagant."
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"text": "It doesn t need to be fancy."
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"text": "But there s something about a little weekend road trip that will get your ass back on track."
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"text": "I get back from a little weekend road trip feeling like a brand new person."
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"text": "There s something about splitting up two work weeks with a little change in scenery that gets me back."
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"text": "And it can be random, it can be spontaneous."
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"text": "Actually, I d argue it s even better when it s random and it s spontaneous."
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"text": "Call your friends, say, hey, let s go camping."
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"text": "Fuck it."
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"text": "Let s go backpacking."
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"text": "Fuck it."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "I don t know."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "Calling your mom and saying, I m driving home this weekend."
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"text": "in."
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"text": "And I think what s especially in about it is that it doesn t need to be extravagant."
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"text": "I think a lot of people feel intimidated by the idea of like taking a little weekend trip because they re like, oh, we have, you know, I have to fly somewhere and I have to get an Airbnb or I have to get a hotel, you know, and then not necessarily."
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"text": "Think outside the box a little bit."
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"text": "That s what I m going to do."
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"text": "Okay, number nine, being silly and funny in business settings."
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"text": "I m so sick of the business facade that everyone puts on."
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"text": "You know what I m talking about."
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"text": "I understand being professional and being respectful and being somewhat elevated for that environment, but I feel like the norm right now is too sterile and too boring."
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"text": "Like, there s no room to burp during a meeting."
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"text": "There s no room to make a little silly joke during a meeting."
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"text": "I m sick of this."
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"text": "I ve been trying to disrupt the stiff business setting ever since I joined the business setting."
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"text": "I m in a meeting."
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"text": "It s so stale."
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"text": "Otherwise, someone has to do it."
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"text": "And you know what I ve noticed too?"
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"text": "The second that somebody makes a joke in a business setting, everyone becomes disarmed and the environment becomes so much more productive."
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"text": "At the end of the day, what is everyone doing in a business setting?"
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"text": "They re trying to make money."
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"text": "It s so much easier to work together and succeed when everybody feels disarmed."
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"text": "Being silly in business settings is in."
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"text": "Stop with the, how was your New Year s?"
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"text": "Oh, it was good."
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"text": "Oh, that s amazing."
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"text": "Mine was good, too."
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"text": "I was in Sedona, Arizona with my family, and my granddaughter just got into college, and she s very excited."
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"text": "Shut the fuck up and make a joke or something."
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"text": "Like, make a joke already."
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"text": "Do something funny."
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"text": "This is why I should... I m only partly kidding."
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"text": "Number 10, re-wearing outfits."
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"text": "Yeah."
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"text": "The whole always having a new outfit on social media, always having a new outfit for every event is out."
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"text": "That is out."
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"text": "It s not a sustainable way to live your life."
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"text": "We all have shit to do."
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"text": "meeting, every date, you know, every night out."
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"text": "And listen, some people do it."
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"text": "I made this decision recently that I want to buy the perfect dress, okay?"
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"text": "No."
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"text": "I ll wear the same outfit twice, two nights in a row, if I m seeing a different group of people."
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"text": "The boy wasn t there the night before, and my friends aren t there."
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"text": "You know what I mean?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "And also, they wouldn t care anyway, but you get the idea."
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"text": "I m wearing the same outfit twice."
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"text": "There s such a weird stigma around outfit repeating."
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"text": "We re done."
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"text": "Outfit repeating is cool now."
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"text": "It s hot and it s in 2024."
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"text": "11, asking for extra sauce on the side."
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"text": "I can t tell you how often I purchase food from an establishment and it comes with some sort of sauce or dressing."
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"text": "and it s simply not enough."
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"text": "It s just not enough."
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"text": "For example, whenever I get a salad, I always ask for an extra side of dressing because a lot of times it ll be underdressed."
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"text": "Now, sometimes it s perfectly dressed and that s great."
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"text": "I d argue three out of five times, not enough sauce."
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"text": "I love sauce."
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"text": "My favorite part about the salad is the dressing."
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"text": "What does the dressing taste like?"
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"text": "My favorite part about ordering a french fry is what sauce I get to dip it in."
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"text": "Is it a Dijon aioli?"
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"text": "Is it a spicy aioli?"
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"text": "What is it?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "What s it going to be today?"
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"text": "It s my favorite part."
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"text": "When I get a bowl at a restaurant, some sort of vegetarian bowl,"
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"text": "Whatever sauce they put on it is the highlight for me."
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"text": "And when there s not enough sauce, I m bummed."
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"text": "I m bummed and my food is dry."
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"text": "I like a lot of sauce."
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"text": "And I think a lot of us do."
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"text": "So you want to know what s in for 2024?"
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"text": "Asking for another side of sauce right out the gate."
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"text": "Now, some of you might be saying, Emma, that s wasteful."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "That s wasteful."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "Not necessarily."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "I could always ask for the sauce to go and then eat it with something the next day."
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"text": "Do you see what I m saying?"
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"text": "I ll make that sauce."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "Hey, I ll put that sauce to work."
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"text": "Don t worry about that part."
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"text": "I ll put it to work."
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"text": "It won t be wasted."
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"text": "If you knew that every extra side of sauce that you ordered would be utilized, would you order it?"
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"text": "Yeah, and a lot of times they don t even charge you for it."
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"text": "They ll just bring it."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "I don t know."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "It s in."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "Fuck it, it s in."
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"text": "Number 12, getting a random massage every once in a while."
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"text": "I thoroughly believe that we all need a massage."
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"text": "You, me, everyone."
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"text": "Everyone needs a massage at all times."
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"text": "It doesn t matter what your job is, how often you exercise, because obviously, if you exercise, you get tight, sore muscles, and you need a massage even more."
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"text": "But it doesn t matter who you are or what your lifestyle is like."
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"text": "Everyone needs a massage for one reason or another."
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"text": "If you sit a lot at your job, your lower back s hurting."
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"text": "If you exercise a lot, you have muscle soreness."
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"text": "If you stand on your feet a lot for your job, you need a foot massage and a back massage."
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"text": "You see what I m saying?"
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"text": "Everyone needs a massage and you can find some really great spots."
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"text": "Like every town has a massage place."
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"text": "I ve popped into some random places for a massage before and I ve almost never been disappointed."
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"text": "Actually, I was disappointed one time when I went to this massage chain."
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"text": "It was like a chain type of place."
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"text": "I won t say who it is because I m about to give them a bad review and I don t think that this is a reflection of their business."
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"text": "I went in to get a massage and I booked it super last minute because I had the epiphany, I need a massage."
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"text": "And it was probably like the second massage I got that year."
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"text": "Not only for me though, for all of us."
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"text": "It s not my idea of a relaxing Thursday evening."
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"text": "You know what I m saying?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Now it s weird a little bit."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And I can t help but wonder, like, are you into this a little bit?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Like, sorry, but you know what I mean?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "You can t help but wonder that, right?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "To make a long story short, he ended up talking to me about his Subaru that he s fixing up himself."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "and his ex-girlfriend the whole time."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I wanted a relaxing massage."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I wanted to close my eyes and go to sleep."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "No, he was not having that."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "He needed to tell me about his Subaru, and he needed to tell me about his ex-girlfriend, and he needed to tell me that I m much nicer than his ex-girlfriend."
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"text": "He did make sure to let me know that."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And that was a nice compliment, but I had a horrible time."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I still tipped well, but I really was upset."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Maybe I shouldn t."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "No, it s fine."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Yeah, so that was the only bad massage experience I ve had."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Other than that, it s been amazing."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Like every hole in the wall you find, random massage, it s probably gonna be good."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "But before you confirm, just ask if the masseuse is 25 and has a Subaru."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And if the answer s yes, then say, do you have another massage therapist, please?"
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"text": "13."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Politely speaking up."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s so in."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "So many of us don t speak up enough."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I ll give you an example."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "We re at a restaurant."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "They bring out the wrong thing."
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{
"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "We get nervous."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "We don t want to speak up."
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{
"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "We don t want to send it back."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "That s out."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "2024, we re speaking up."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Okay?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Another example."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "This just happened to me the other day, and actually I didn t speak up."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And I should have."
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{
"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And for the rest of 2024, I m going to speak up."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I was getting my nails done at the salon and I wanted to get a dark brown, almost like a dark roast coffee bean."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Okay."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Like very dark, almost black, dark brown nail."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Okay."
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{
"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And I picked out what I thought was that."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It was not, okay?"
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{
"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It turned out to be more of a milk chocolate color."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Like imagine, my nails right now look like chocolate almonds."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "They look delicious, but this is not the color that I wanted."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "She painted a swatch of it on my finger and showed it to me and she s like, what do you think?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And I was like, fuck, I hate it."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "But I didn t speak up for some reason."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And now I regret it and my nails look horrible."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I hate this color."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s not what I wanted."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "But I didn t speak up."
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{
"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Uh-uh."
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{
"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "That s done."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "2024, we re speaking up."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Somebody says something rude to you, speak up."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Politely, though."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s all about the delivery."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Just be polite."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "There s nothing to be afraid of as long as you re being polite."
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"text": "Nobody can get mad at you if you politely speak up."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "14."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Hanging out at a cafe for like three hours."
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"text": "I miss this vibe and I think it s so in."
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"text": "I need more of this vibe and I think it s going to be in."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Bringing a book, bringing a journal, bringing some work to a coffee shop, sitting and hanging out for like three hours."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Maybe some friends that you know pop by, they sit with you for a little while."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "vice versa."
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{
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "We need more of that."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "More community happening."
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"text": "There s something so inspiring about getting out of your house and going and hanging out at a cafe for like three hours."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It makes you want to work harder."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It can sometimes be distracting, I will say."
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"text": "It can sometimes be distracting, but it can also sometimes get you to focus because like you have more distractions in some ways and then you have less distractions in some ways."
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"text": "But I used to work in a cafe every single day."
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"text": "I d drive 15 minutes from my hometown to go to this little cafe every day and I d edit my YouTube videos and I would do emails even though I was like 16 and didn t even know how to read an email."
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"text": "But like I was doing it though or I was trying and it was kind of amazing."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "You know, I started to become friends with the baristas at the coffee shop."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I started to see other regulars there on a consistent basis, and I sort of became friendly with them."
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"text": "I think we re lacking that in-person community element of life, and we need that back."
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"text": "We need that back now more than ever."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "2024, it s in."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "15, having a sweet treat after dinner."
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"text": "I ve never been somebody who wanted dessert after dinner until recently."
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"text": "It s so in, it s so in to have a sweet treat after dinner."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "A sweet treat after dinner?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Mm-mm."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I don t know how I ever lived without it."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I think it s so in."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "16, becoming friends with somebody before you date them."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Ooh, that s in."
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"text": "You wanna know why that s in?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Because I think that is one of the most promising things you can do to build a long-term relationship."
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"text": "If you want shit to last, that foundation of friendship has got to be there."
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"text": "And I think this whole immediate romance is out."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I think that s out."
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"text": "Some people might disagree with me, and that s totally fine."
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"text": "But being friends first, it s amazing in every way."
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"text": "My dad has always told me this."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And I ve always been like, okay, thank you."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And then gone and like immediately like met them and then like kiss them the same day."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "You know what I mean?"
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s terrible."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s horrible because it never works out."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It never works out because it just never works out for me."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Okay."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It might work for you."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It doesn t work for me."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And I know it doesn t work for a lot of other people too."
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"text": "It s so much better to build that foundation of friendship and then add in the romantic element."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s very hard to backtrack and build the friendship after you ve already gone romantic mode."
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"text": "I don t know why, it s just very challenging."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And it s possible, but it s very challenging."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "What I think is good about being friends first is that you get to fully suss them out."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Do I get along with this person?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Do I click with this person?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Do I actually enjoy spending time with them?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And you re not biased based on your sexual chemistry."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Like let s say you like hook up with somebody immediately,"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "and you guys have a good sexual chemistry, great, that s half the battle, right?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "But then you actually don t get along on a friendship level very well, but you are able to sort of ignore that red flag by covering it up with sex, you know what I mean?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Becoming friends before you date somebody, that s in."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "17, maroon nail polish."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I m not kidding."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Dark red, fingers and toes."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I m obsessed."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And you know, I ve been obsessed for years, but I ve never been like, oh, that s my signature color on my nails."
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{
"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I m in."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I m locked in on maroon nail polish."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s so hot and cool."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And I think that it falls under the category of the red nail effect."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "You might have heard of the red nail effect, which is that red nails help to attract a lover."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Whether that s true or not, I don t know."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "But I do feel the hottest when I have a red nail."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I do."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s like baddie mode for me."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "But bright red doesn t always, it s not always what I want, you know, like a bright apple red."
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"text": "I think it s my new default color."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I m obsessed with it."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I love the maroon now."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I m sold."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And right now, oh, my nails."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I hate my nails right now."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I need to go back in and get the maroon, to be honest, because that s just what Emma likes now."
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"text": "18, onion rings."
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"text": "Don t get me wrong, I love ordering a french fry for the table when I m at a restaurant."
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"text": "French fries are delicious, they re amazing."
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"text": "But I recently ordered an onion ring instead and I said, hold on a minute, this is even better."
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"text": "It s so much more of a dynamic experience."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "You know, it s fun because it s in a ring."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "You have to rip it in half, dip it into the sauce."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s crispy."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "The onion inside is sweet."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s delicious."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Onion rings are absolutely delectable."
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"text": "And I have been just sleeping on the onion rings for years because I m like, a fry is so much better."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s classic."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Yeah, it is classic."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And yeah, it s harder to fuck up a French fry."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Sometimes an onion ring will get fucked up, but there s always a French fry on the menu."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "There s almost never an onion ring on the menu."
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"text": "When I see an onion ring on the menu, I say, I m getting that."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "No one is talking about onion rings at all."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I haven t heard somebody talk about an onion ring in years."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "When was the last time you heard someone talk about an onion ring?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And when was the last time you thought about an onion ring?"
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{
"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s been too long."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "You see what I m saying?"
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{
"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "They re in."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "2024, onion rings are in."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Tater tots too, but those are even more rare to see on a menu."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Onion rings are in."
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{
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Oh man, so good."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "So freaking good."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "On the topic of food, number 19, feta cheese."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Feta cheese is in."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I was all about Parmesan cheese for the last few years, obsessed with Parmesan cheese, wanted Parmesan cheese on everything."
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"text": "You know what I m saying?"
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"text": "Fuck it."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s amazing."
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"text": "That s in."
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"text": "25, music with good lyrics."
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"text": "I want to read the lyrics and be like, wait, I don t get it."
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"text": "That s crazy."
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"text": "It read my mind."
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"text": "You see what I m saying?"
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"text": "I don t know."
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"text": "Now listen, I m not saying simple lyrics are bad, but there s a difference between simple and lazy."
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"text": "You know when you re reading lyrics to something and you re like, come on, you know what I mean?"
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"text": "You know what s in?"
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"text": "That s in."
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"text": "2024, living life for you is in."
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"text": "I don t need to explain that anymore."
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"text": "You already knew that."
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"text": "We re all on that wave."
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"text": "2024, we re all on that wave."
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"text": "I can feel it in my bones."
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"text": "That s all of my predictions for what s going to be in in 2024."
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"text": "Please share what you think is going to be in in 2024."
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"text": "You can comment on the Anything Goes Instagram at Anything Goes and let me know what you think is going to be in this year."
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"text": "Now stay tuned for next week because I m going to be talking about what is going to be out in 2024."
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"text": "So stay tuned for that."
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"text": "And I just love you all and appreciate you all."
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"text": "I m so happy that you came to hang out with me today."
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"text": "I hope that you had a good time with me."
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"text": "And if you did, new episodes of Anything Goes every Thursday and Sunday."
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"text": "If you didn t, new episodes still every Thursday and Sunday."
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"text": "You just don t have to listen."
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"text": "Follow Anything Goes on Instagram at Anything Goes."
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{
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Follow me on Instagram at Emma Chamberlain to see what I m up to."
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{
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Check out my coffee company, Chamberlain Coffee."
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{
"chunk": "4",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "we might be in a store near you."
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"text": "See if we re in a store near you and go pick up some Chamberlain coffee or you can order online."
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"text": "If it s not in a store near you, order online or do both."
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"text": "Order online and go to a store and pick it up."
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"text": "Listen, I m not going to stop you."
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"text": "Thank you all for listening."
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"text": "Thank you all for hanging out."
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"text": "I love and appreciate you all very, very, very much."
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"text": "She has two teenagers, so she s in the thick of it, when it comes to parenting anyway, and her first book is coming out January 2024, and it s called The Five Principles of Parenting, Your Essential Guide to Raising Good Humans."
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"text": "Parenting is a topic that you could truly talk about it forever, but we re gonna scratch the surface today and start thinking about parenting, so."
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"text": "I introduce to you, Dr. Pressman."
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"text": "Do you think parenting comes intuitively?"
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"text": "Is it just like a human thing to parent?"
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"text": "Or do you think that it s something that in order to be good at, you kind of need to research a little bit."
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"text": "You kind of need to ask, you know, the older and wiser in your life."
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"text": "I m curious how much of it is instinctual and how much of it is learned."
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"text": "I mean, you don t waste time."
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"text": "And like even if you didn t birth an infant, if you re the person in charge of that infant, like things kick in."
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"text": "But part of the problem is that some of the things that kick in"
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"text": "And so for some people, instinct is awesome."
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"text": "And for other people, instinct, it s like people that you re attracted to."
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"text": "Like, does your gut lead you to someone that says, this is safe, but actually safety for you is a memory of an unsafe home?"
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"text": "Right."
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"text": "And also, like one of the biggest predictors of a positive attachment relationship with your child is to have come to terms with your own experience."
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"text": "You know, and so I do think that it s nice to find people that you feel like safe, trusting, that they have, you know, like you just look at them and you just think, you know, and it could be your mother."
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"text": "So that didn t really answer your question, but it s a little bit about it did well I also think to you know, what works for one parent is not going to work for the next"
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"text": "Like, do you think that the philosophy on parenting is consistent, you know, just in general for raising all kids?"
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"text": "Or does one piece of advice not fit all?"
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"text": "For sure, one piece of advice does not fit all."
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"text": "I ve noticed that, yeah."
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"text": "Right?"
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"text": "Like, what?"
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"text": "And I think that that s a red flag."
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"text": "Like any time where you re going to be a robotic parent because you have so much, you know, like here are all the rigid scripts and all the ways that you should be, because of course it s different."
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"text": "I mean, that s such a loaded question."
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"text": "You know, in the same way that talking about a partner who s able to repair, like you re setting the stage for your child to see that you make mistakes and that you can come back from them."
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"text": "Back to kids."
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"text": "Thank you."
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"text": "Because I don t want to think about how quickly time is moving."
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"text": "Talk about fashion."
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"text": "I m going to share what I think is going to be trending in 2024."
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"text": "Now, I will say it is harder to pinpoint trends nowadays because we re so exposed to various niches and aesthetics through the internet and trends just don t feel as universal as they used to pre-internet."
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"text": "For example, in 2023, we had ballet core."
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"text": "People were wearing little ballet slippers, little leg warmers, little leotards."
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"text": "There were ribbons, you know, like ballet-esque sort of pink ribbons happening."
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"text": "There was the quiet luxury stealth wealth trend, which was pretty much just basic clothing, okay?"
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"text": "Like simple, minimal designs, classic, timeless pieces."
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"text": "that are classy have always sort of been somewhere in the zeitgeist."
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"text": "But this sort of style became very trendy in 2023."
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"text": "A lot of people, especially celebrities, were really gravitating towards that sort of aesthetic."
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"text": "And I ll be honest, I hate"
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"text": "calling that aesthetic stealth wealth, quiet luxury, old money aesthetic."
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"text": "I hate it because you can accomplish that aesthetic for so cheap."
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"text": "You can go to a thrift store and buy everything you could possibly need for that aesthetic."
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"text": "Go get a simple button down, a pair of khakis, a pair of simple, well fitting jeans, a pair of old loafers,"
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"text": "a few nice sweaters, you can get all of that from the thrift store for like 30 bucks."
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"text": "I don t like how it s being associated with wealth, though I understand it in a way because prior to this being a trend, designer clothing, expensive clothing, was mainly very loud."
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"text": "Lots of logos, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah."
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"text": "That was the trend."
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"text": "Now it s all about wearing designer clothes, but it not being obvious."
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"text": "In a way, I sort of appreciate that sentiment too, but I guess my issue with the name of the trend is that it sort of excludes people."
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"text": "who can t spend $500 on a button up like most people can t."
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"text": "So that s so exclusionary."
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"text": "It s unfair to me."
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"text": "Like it paints this picture that only wealthy people can participate in this trend."
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"text": "And I just, I fucking hate that."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "So anyway, I went off on a tangent."
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"text": "What else did we have in 2023?"
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"text": "Oh,"
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"text": "Sort of a soccer, or if you don t live in America, football aesthetic."
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"text": "A lot of people were wearing soccer jerseys and soccer shoes, like the Adidas Samba was the shoe of the year, I would say."
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"text": "That s sort of a soccer shoe."
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"text": "And so many people were wearing soccer jerseys."
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"text": "It was like all the rage."
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"text": "So all of that to say, you know, yes, it is harder these days to pinpoint what the trends are, but in retrospect, there still definitely are trends happening."
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"text": "You know, it s not like a complete mess where it s like everything is happening all at once."
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"text": "We can t put a finger on one thing."
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"text": "So here are my 2024 fashion predictions."
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"text": "These predictions are based on things that I ve seen on the runway over the past few months and gut feelings that I have."
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"text": "My predictions are somewhat rooted in reality because I m kind of seeing what s on the runway and the runway tends to predict what s gonna happen in the world, but I m mainly going off of gut feeling, okay?"
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"text": "And I m probably gonna be wrong about everything."
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"text": "I don t know, maybe not, maybe not."
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"text": "So we ll see."
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"text": "Okay, to start, 2010 Abercrombie and Fitch aesthetic."
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"text": "I think it s gonna come back."
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"text": "I lived through this time, okay?"
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"text": "I remember what everybody was wearing, okay?"
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"text": "It was skinny jeans, low-waisted, button-up sort of polo shirts."
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"text": "Everything was really fitted."
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"text": "There was definitely some preppiness going on, you know, the collared shirt, little preppy, khaki sort of skirts."
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"text": "very much a New England vibe, a East Coast sort of vibe, like upstate New York vibes."
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"text": "You know, the jackets had these like big buttons and sometimes were lined with fur."
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"text": "I feel like the Abercrombie and Fitch aesthetic from 2010 combined preppiness with outdoorsyness in a way that felt completely impractical."
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"text": "Okay."
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"text": "Like Abercrombie and Fitch is not like Carhartt in the way that Carhartt is actually outdoorsy."
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"text": "Abercrombie is not fully preppy."
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"text": "There are skinny jeans, there are mini skirts, there are short shorts, but there are also polo shirts and sweaters."
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"text": "I really think that the entire vibe of Abercrombie and Fitch in 2010 is gonna come back now."
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"text": "Okay, I predict fitted collared shirts"
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"text": "I could even kind of see skinny jeans."
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"text": "I don t know."
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"text": "Like I feel like we re due for skinny jeans to come back and Abercrombie really loved the skinny jean."
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"text": "Abercrombie tended to stick to a very nautical, outdoorsy, preppy color palette."
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"text": "with your little sweater and you go out and take a walk by the lake and then afterwards you go and, I don t know, like ride a horse or something and then after that you go to bed and then the next morning you wake up and you put on your cute little collared shirt again and you put on your little skirt and your little boat shoes and you go to school."
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"text": "It s that sort of fantasy."
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"text": "I really, really realized that this was coming"
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"text": "back when I went to the Spring 2024 Ready to Wear Miu Miu show."
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"text": "Go check out that collection if you want to see proof that I think that this is coming back."
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"text": "If Miu Miu is doing this, it must be coming back."
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"text": "Yeah, it s like this preppy"
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"text": "It s definitely an aesthetic."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Okay, next trend is sort of similar."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "So be patient with me, because you re going to be like, Emma, you re a broken record."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Yeah, we have other stuff to talk about, but that comes later."
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"text": "Next trend, sailor."
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"text": "I m talking about someone who sails a boat, a sailor."
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"text": "People are gonna be ripping off that style, or not ripping off, but copying that style."
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"text": "Okay, a classic sailor s uniform is white pants, white sort of button-up top,"
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"text": "Maybe with some navy blue details, like a navy blue handkerchief around the neck, and then a classic sailor s hat, which is like a round sort of cap that has sort of a lip at the front of it."
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"text": "It s usually white, although, you know, they come in various colors."
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"text": "And then of course, boat shoes."
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"text": "Okay, boat shoes, I m not kidding, like Sperry s."
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"text": "I swear they re going to be in in 2024."
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"text": "And I m not going to lie, I m going to get a pair because I forgot about boat shoes."
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"text": "Fast forward two months later, I go to the Miu Miu show, the same one that I just referenced earlier."
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"text": "The classic brown boat shoe with the little brown lace on top."
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"text": "I just really see people finding inspiration in the classic sailor uniform that we all know and love."
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"text": "Obviously, there s the boat shoe."
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"text": "We already covered that."
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"text": "And even beyond that, just nautical themes in general, like sweaters that have anchors on them or fishes on them, quilted-looking fabrics that have sort of a beach scene on them."
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"text": "I just think nautical in general is going to come back, but more specifically, sailor aesthetic."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "We have the French artist aesthetic."
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"text": "Let me explain what this is when I imagine it in my head."
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"text": "Okay."
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"text": "I picture a black and white striped top."
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"text": "I picture a little beret."
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"text": "I picture loafers or ballet flats, but not like a ballet flat that actually looks like it would be worn for ballet, like no pink satin."
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"text": "Specifically, black and white stripes."
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"text": "I feel like that is going to be the pattern of the year."
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"text": "Actually, that s a huge statement."
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"text": "I don t know if I want to make that statement, actually."
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"text": "Now I m getting nervous."
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"text": "But I really think that black and white stripes are going to come back and be a very popular, popular, popular pattern."
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"text": "Because obviously, horizontal black and white stripes are always somewhat in, you know?"
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"text": "It s a very classic pattern, but I can see it being like the pattern for a moment."
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"text": "And the cute little French beret hat with the little thing sticking up, the little boop sticking up at the top."
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"text": "They add so much personality to an outfit."
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"text": "And I don t know, I really like them."
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"text": "And maybe even with the pants, pants that have like paint stains on them and stuff."
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"text": "I don t know."
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"text": "We ll see."
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"text": "We ll see if it happens."
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"text": "But the French artist aesthetic might be hot this year."
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"text": "And if it is, I fucking told you so."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And if it s not, forget I said anything."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Okay, next, I m seeing vampire comeback."
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"text": "And I feel like we ve already sort of seen the vampire kind of aesthetic comeback, but I think it s gonna get even stronger in 2024."
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"text": "When I think of sort of a Count Dracula-esque look, I think of black clothes, maybe with some pops of white, maybe with some pops of maroon or dark red."
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"text": "Maybe I m missing something, but I haven t seen a lot of lace."
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"text": "Not lace everything, but people who are into this sort of Dracula aesthetic will definitely be wearing a lot of lace."
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"text": "I can imagine people wearing clothes that have like a skeleton on it, you know?"
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"text": "Like I feel like that fits into this vampire core as well."
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"text": "Imagine a shirt that looks like it s an x-ray and it can see through to your ribs and stuff."
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"text": "I think that s going to be really trendy."
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"text": "Like clothes that have a skeleton sort of printed on it."
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"text": "I actually just bought a shirt like that."
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"text": "Actually, I bought two shirts like that."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Oh my God."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Wow."
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"text": "See, like,"
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"text": "I can t tell what came first, you know, the chicken or the egg."
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"text": "Like, did I buy those just because I like them and now I m saying that I think it s going to be a trend because I like them?"
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"text": "Or is it starting and I m just on the bandwagon without even realizing it?"
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"text": "I don t know."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "But I do think that that s going to be a big part of that trend."
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"text": "Okay, so next one is a complete random guess."
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"text": "I mean, I guess it s not a complete random guess, but I m definitely winging it with this one, okay?"
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"text": "But hear me out."
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"text": "Over the past few years, we ve had many trends based on sports, okay?"
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"text": "There was sort of the soccer core happening, which was the soccer jerseys, the Adidas Sambas."
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"text": "There was ballet core."
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"text": "The whole theme was like the ballet slippers, the leotards, the leg warmers, the bows."
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"text": "What s next?"
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"text": "There has to be another sport that has its moment in 2024."
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"text": "I have a few guesses."
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"text": "Number one, race car driving aesthetic."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Okay."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I m talking about race car jackets."
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"text": "looking outfits."
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"text": "This sort of happened already in like 2015."
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"text": "It might be too soon for it to come back, but I think it might come back."
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"text": "You know, the classic hockey jersey coming back in with the sort of zigzag laces on the neck."
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"text": "I don t know though, there s not really a lot to do with that."
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"text": "There s not a lot to rip off from hockey, so I m not sure."
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"text": "It could be baseball."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Am I losing my mind?"
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"text": "Honestly, baseball jerseys are really cute."
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"text": "No."
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"text": "So I don t know."
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"text": "We will see."
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"text": "sort of the 90s minimalism vibe."
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"text": "a long black skirt with a button up top and a black sweater on top."
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"text": "Speaking of trends that I think are gonna continue, I also think the sort of stealth, wealth, quiet, luxury trend is going to continue, and you know how I feel about that, okay?"
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"text": "I already went through that, so I don t need to go through it again."
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"text": "I love that."
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"text": "I tend to dress that way when I don t want my outfit to overpower me."
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"text": "I want to be the star."
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"text": "Okay, now completely opposite to that, I also think that funny slash ironic clothing will continue to be trendy."
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"text": "And then fast forward to like a few days ago, I m shopping at this great shop in LA and there s a skirt that has a pair of underwear sewed onto the outside of the skirt."
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"text": "Useful in the sense that you can put a bunch of shit in your clothes, not actually poop, okay?"
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"text": "And that s all I got, okay?"
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"text": "That s like the one thing I m excited about for the new year is like, what is going to be trendy?"
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"text": "So we shall see."
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"text": "That s all I have for today."
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"text": "Thank you all so much for listening and hanging out."
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"text": "Follow Anything Goes on Instagram at Anything Goes."
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"text": "You can shop online or use the store locator and see if we re in a store near you."
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"text": "This is my last episode for a few weeks."
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"text": "for the holidays, you know, going to go be with family and relax and rest my little brain."
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"text": "And then I ll be back on January 11th, 2024 for a whole nother year of Anything Goes."
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"text": "Part two of breakup advice."
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"text": "Again, false."
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"text": "That is scientifically proven."
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"text": "The only reason why that s true is because the way that you ll love the next person is a little bit different because it s a different person, but the level in which you love them can be at the same intensity."
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"text": "Are they dating someone new?"
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"text": "Are they happier without me?"
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"text": "Are they talking shit about me to their friends and family?"
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"text": "You know, what are they doing?"
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"text": "You can drown in those thoughts, but what you have to remember is what they re doing is out of your control."
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"text": "Say, listen, I m not perfect, but neither are they."
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"text": "Oh my God."
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"text": "My God, you can spiral."
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"text": "And you will spiral."
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"text": "All right, next piece of advice, try not to contact them."
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"text": "Really attempt the no contact method."
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"text": "Have I ever done this successfully?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "No, but because I ve failed at this, I know that this would be successful if that makes sense."
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"text": "I m not kidding because I have never successfully gone no contact with an ex and I regret it every time."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Okay."
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"text": "Maybe it s time for Emma to be single for a long period of time because I ve never really been single for that long."
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"text": "And getting back together too soon usually leads to another breakup, which then literally starts the whole thing over again."
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"text": "When you re in a moment where you want to text your ex, you want to rekindle, but you know it s too soon because you re not healed yet, ask yourself, do I want to start this whole process over again?"
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"text": "I ve come so far."
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"text": "Do I really want to start this over again?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Because I ll tell you, you broke up for a reason."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It happens in a year."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And if you get back together before the growth happens, no."
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"text": "and you ll be left with a tiny little scar because breakups never leave you unscathed, now do they?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "All right."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I know."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Oh, I know."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "This one s tough."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
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"text": "Or it s like a picture of them, I don t know, playing soccer, like they re a soccer player."
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"text": "It s like, okay."
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"text": "If they don t use social media as like a diary, they don t update their social media on a day-to-day basis, you might be fine to continue following them and maybe even looking at their page every once in a while."
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"text": "If they re not an avid social media user, it s fine."
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"text": "But in this day and age, most people are."
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"text": "And you have to really try not to look at their social media."
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"text": "I m talking about muting them."
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"text": "At times it might make sense to block them."
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"text": "I don t necessarily love that method unless this person has really truly wronged you, in which case I think you block."
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"text": "But if you guys are still on good terms, I don t think you should block."
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"text": "It can be sort of tempting though because you re like, I just want to block this person out completely."
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"text": "I think that might be a little extreme."
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"text": "They cheated on you, block that bitch."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Sorry, but try to get them out of your feet."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "That s step one."
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"text": "Step two, try to prevent yourself from going out of your way to stop them."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It can be tempting, okay?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "You want to see who they re hanging out with."
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"text": "You want to see what they re doing."
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"text": "You want to see who they re following."
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"text": "Are they following anyone new?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Are they dating someone new?"
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"text": "You can go down a rabbit hole trying to figure out what the fuck they re doing."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And let me tell you, I ve done it."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I have fucking done it."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Oh my God."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Like I remember with one of my exes, I was like, I figured out that they had a new girlfriend."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Ooh, it was so, actually by the time they had a new girlfriend, I was kind of relaxed, you know?"
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"text": "Like I was, I don t know, probably six months into the breakup and I was starting to feel strong again."
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"text": "And so it kind of ruffled my feathers, but I was like, listen, good for them."
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"text": "Like I was able to actually be like good for them."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "God bless their souls."
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"text": "I don t know."
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"text": "But I found that out immediately through stalking."
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"text": "I knew immediately when they were dating because I stalked."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Even before they were saying it, I figured it out."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "You know what I m saying?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It was crazy."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "But here s the thing."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Here s why this is bad for you."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Number one, you can start to assume things about their life based on their social media that are not true."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "They start following new people on Instagram."
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{
"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "You can start"
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "obsessing over if they re dating one of them."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "They re posting on their Instagram that they re so happy and their life is perfect and you can start to believe that illusion."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "You know how social media is."
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{
"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s all an illusion, okay?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "You have no idea what the fuck s going on."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Things might look fine and dandy on the outside, like they re just thriving."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "They re probably not."
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"text": "No one is ever thriving as much in real life as they look like they are on social media, ever, without fail."
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"text": "And when you re in this vulnerable state of mind, it s just better to not go down that rabbit hole."
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"text": "You re too fragile and you re not in a rational state of mind."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "You re not in a stable state of mind."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s easy for you to spiral."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "So it s better to just avoid all of that altogether."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "On top of that, you might see something that you really don t want to see, okay?"
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"text": "Some would argue that seeing something you don t want to see can give you closure, but I think it s much healthier to try to find closure within yourself instead of finding it through something you didn t want to see on social media."
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"text": "I mentioned this in the last episode, so I won t go too deep into it, but I also think it s important to remove all signs of them from your home."
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"text": "Take down photos from the wall, take gifts that they gave you and put them in the garage."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Remove all signs of this person."
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"text": "Not in a disrespectful way, necessarily, but just getting all triggers out of your sight."
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"text": "Anything that could trigger a memory of them, out of your sight."
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"text": "Next, try not to ask mutual friends what they re up to."
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"text": "As tempting as it is,"
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"text": "Just know that this information might hurt you, and even if it doesn t hurt you, you re just better off not knowing."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "The further away you can get from this person, the better."
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"text": "You don t need to know what they re up to."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "That only takes a little bit more scab off the wound."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "In a weird way, it s like connecting with them."
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"text": "All of these things, stalking their social media, asking mutual friends what they re up to,"
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{
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "shooting them a text, all of these things reconnect you with the person."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And every time you reconnect with the person, you rip a little bit more scab off the wound and you prolong the healing process."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And lastly, indulge in nostalgia when you really need to, but don t overindulge."
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"text": "You might have moments where you want to go and look at old photos and you want to just cry and you want to miss that person."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Allow yourself to do that."
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"text": "You know, I d argue it s responsible to do that."
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"text": "You know, if you re looking back at good memories and stuff, I think that that s healthy to an extent."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "When you re a few months out from the breakup, you need to get back to your life, right?"
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"text": "So you need to start setting some parameters, okay?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "15 minutes."
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"text": "I m going to give myself 15 minutes to look at old photos and fucking cry."
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"text": "I m going to set a timer."
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"text": "I ve done this."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I have done this."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Like, I ve randomly stumbled upon a photo of me and an ex and just started crying."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And then I ve started to scroll and look at more photos of us and just cry more, cry more."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And then I ve taken a moment to pause and say, OK, I m going to give myself 10 more minutes of this and then I m done."
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"text": "And I ve set a fucking timer and let myself just cry and look."
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"text": "And then the second the timer goes off, nope, phone s off, back to my life."
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"text": "To start, don t rush into something new to numb the pain."
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"text": "It can be so tempting to go through a breakup and immediately be like, I just need to find somebody to have sex with like now."
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"text": "Or, you know, even like I need to find somebody to make out with right now."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I need to start going on dates now."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I fucking get it."
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"text": "I get it."
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"text": "Because a lot of times during a breakup, your ego is bruised."
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"text": "But I will admit that even though there are some beneficial things about hooking up with somebody after a breakup, I also think that it can make things worse sometimes."
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"text": "It s like very challenging."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I won t"
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"text": "But I think what ultimately happens when you hook up with somebody too soon after a breakup is that you expect the emptiness that you feel due to the breakup to go away after you hook up with somebody."
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"text": "And guess what s going to happen?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "the emptiness will come back."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And when it does, it comes back harder, because now you re experiencing the disappointment that the pain didn t go away, along with missing your ex like you did before."
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"text": "With this new random person that you hooked up with, you probably don t."
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"text": "You know what I m saying?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "But I don t know."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s tough."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s tough."
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"text": "And then you re going to have a whole nother wound that you have to deal with."
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"text": "In my opinion, it s really admirable when I see someone go through a breakup and not rush into something new."
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"text": "It s really admirable to me because it shows me that that person is truly independent."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
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"text": "Obviously it doesn t work because I end up dating somebody new so fast."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I just love being in a relationship."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I love being a girlfriend, don t I?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "All right."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Next, during the first week or two of a breakup, you want to indulge in life, okay?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
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"chunk": "4",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "You want to neglect your responsibilities, and it s kind of okay to do that for a little bit, but you can t do that for too long."
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"text": "You can t continue to overindulge, and so it s very important not to overindulge in distractions that end up making you feel like shit and lowering your self-esteem."
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"text": "live happily ever after."
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"text": "God bless you."
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"text": "And before I get started into the advice, I have to say, this advice is for safe, harmless, romantic relationships."
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"text": "For advice on toxic and dangerous relationships, contact professionals."
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"text": "Stop listening to this right now and contact a professional."
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"text": "All right, let s talk about before the breakup happens, because this is a crucial, tense, weird period of time that is often overlooked when discussing breakup advice."
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"text": "There is a lot of misery that comes with this time."
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"text": "So much ruminating, so much overthinking."
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"text": "I d argue this is sort of when the breakup begins."
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"text": "I think a lot of us start processing a breakup before it even happens."
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"text": "You know, we feel that something s off."
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"text": "Maybe it s in ourselves."
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"text": "Maybe it s in our partner."
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"text": "And we start to feel pain already."
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"text": "Because we re like, this is disappearing."
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"text": "You start to feel it slipping between your fingers."
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"text": "You re like, this relationship is dying and it s not fully dead yet, but it s dying and I can see it dying."
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"text": "And there s something brutal about that."
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"text": "When you re the person in the relationship who can tell that your partner wants to break up with you, it can be so easy to just keep the conversation within your own mind."
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"text": "Ask yourself, did I do something?"
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"text": "Am I overreacting?"
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"text": "Do they just not think I m pretty anymore?"
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"text": "Should I change something about myself?"
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"text": "Is there something I can do to revive this relationship?"
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"text": "And you might start changing your behavior."
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"text": "You might even start changing what you look like."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Obsessing over how you can be perfect to try to get this person back into it."
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"text": "You might stay up all night trying to figure it out."
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"text": "But the only way to know for sure is to bring it up."
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"text": "And I know it s scary when you re the person who still wants to be in the relationship and you can feel the other person slipping away."
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"text": "It can be so scary to bring it up because you re like, fuck, if I bring it up, if I initiate the conversation, then they probably will break up with me and I don t want them to break up with me."
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"text": "So I m just going to try to fix it without bringing it up."
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"text": "I ll tell you what, that s not gonna work."
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"text": "Stop speculating."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Stop torturing yourself."
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"text": "Oh my God, I can t tell you how much I ve tortured myself in this way."
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"text": "I ve spent months of my life miserable, fucking miserable, just trying to figure out what was wrong, but being too afraid to just ask because I was like,"
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"text": "This will be the end of the relationship if I ask."
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"text": "I ll bring it to the forefront of their mind and then they ll be like, oh, wait a minute."
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"text": "Yeah, I do want to break up with them."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And then the breakup will happen, which is what ultimately you re trying to avoid if you re the one who wants to stay in it."
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"text": "I ll tell you this right now."
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"text": "You are harming yourself more by not bringing it up."
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"text": "You are better off breaking up and beginning your healing journey sooner than you are prolonging the situation by not asking what the fuck is up."
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"text": "So bring it up."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Say, hey, something s off with you."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I can t put a finger on it."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I don t know what s going on."
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"text": "Did I do something wrong?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Are you unhappy?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "What s happening?"
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"text": "Bring it up."
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"text": "And I recommend, honestly, writing it down beforehand."
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"text": "Take notes on what you ve been picking up on."
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"text": "Be very clear with them about what you ve been experiencing."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And at times you might bring it up and they ll say, nothing s wrong."
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"text": "I just am going through something else."
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"text": "And it ll open up a phenomenal conversation about what your partner is going through in their life that they haven t yet told you."
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"text": "But I don t know."
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"text": "I think a lot of times we underestimate our instincts."
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"text": "We can feel when shit s off."
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"text": "And so if your partner comes back at you and says, no, nothing s wrong with the relationship."
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"text": "It s all, it s like, it s me."
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"text": "It s just me."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s just me."
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"text": "Challenge that a little bit."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Be like, are you sure though?"
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"text": "Because this does feel personal."
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"text": "And if they re like, no, it s not personal at all, then say, can you be a good partner to me while going through what you re going through?"
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"text": "You know, is there a way that we can meet in the middle?"
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"text": "Don t take their answer at face value."
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"text": "If they re like, no, it s not you, it s me."
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"text": "Be like, okay, yeah, but I m unhappy in this relationship and I don t feel loved by you."
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"text": "So we need to figure some shit out."
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"text": "You re not treating me right."
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"text": "And you re going to either need to figure it out through working together with me or we need to end this."
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"text": "Sometimes the person who doesn t want to do the breaking up, in fact, wants to be in the relationship ends up having to do the breaking up because they feel so strongly that the other person isn t into it anymore."
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"text": "It ends up flipping on its head."
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"text": "Now, let s say you are the one who wants to break up with your partner."
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"text": "Depending on the situation, I think the first step is to try to pinpoint the issues that you re experiencing in the relationship and try to figure out if they re fixable."
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"text": "And I think a lot of us, especially young people, expect relationships to be perfect."
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"text": "Like, the second the honeymoon phase is over, everyone s freaking out."
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"text": "They re like, wait a minute, the spark is gone."
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"text": "We don t love each other anymore."
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"text": "There s no more excitement."
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"text": "Sometimes we have bad days."
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"text": "This is not the romantic story that I ve always dreamt of."
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"text": "That s just kind of how relationships go."
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"text": "So it s important to ask yourself, why do you want to break up with them?"
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"text": "Do you want to break up with them for some serious, serious reasons that are going to be really challenging to fix?"
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"text": "Or is this just a normal part of being in a relationship and maybe it s worth working through?"
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"text": "Or are you just not in a place to be in a relationship period?"
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"text": "Next, I think it s important to heavily consider what you re losing."
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"text": "When you re in a relationship, it can be so easy to take the thing that you ve built for granted."
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"text": "You have to ask yourself, would you rather make it work with them or possibly lose them forever?"
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"text": "Because a misconception that people have is that, oh, I could just get them back."
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"text": "You can never rely on that."
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"text": "You don t know."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It takes two to tango."
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"text": "When you break up with somebody, you re setting them free."
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"text": "And if you break up with somebody with the expectation that you could go back to them whenever you want, you re kind of lying to yourself."
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"text": "And on top of that, that s being insensitive with the other person s emotions."
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"text": "If you ultimately want to"
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"text": "If it s not, then maybe you should work harder to fix what you have."
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"text": "Because you don t get to have your cake and eat it too in this life, okay?"
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"text": "I ve learned this the hard way."
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"text": "Anytime in life I ve tried to have my cake and eat it too, I have been rudely reminded that it just doesn t work that way."
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"text": "It will always bite you in the ass."
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"text": "If you start to treat your partner badly as a result of pondering a breakup with them and it s just ruining your life to a point where you start to build resentment, you have lost your privileges to ponder any longer and now you have to communicate."
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"text": "If you start treating them like shit, nope, now you have to put it all out on the table because it s selfish otherwise."
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"text": "To be honest, they already probably feel it coming."
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"text": "When it comes to planning the breakup, I know it might sound ridiculous because it s like planning a fucking meeting or something or like scheduling when you re going to do your homework."
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"text": "It sounds insane to say, OK, now it s time to schedule the breakup."
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"text": "But no, I actually do think that this is crucial."
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"text": "We all have busy lives."
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"text": "We have work."
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"text": "We have school."
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"text": "We have commitments."
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"text": "And I truly recommend finding the right time to do it."
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"text": "You don t want to do it on a random Monday night when you have the whole work week ahead of you."
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"text": "Terrible idea because spoiler alert, you re going to be going through it and you want to have some space to go through it."
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"text": "So I recommend a Thursday, a Friday, a Saturday."
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"text": "I think those are the best days to do it."
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"text": "Now, sometimes a breakup happens and it comes out of nowhere."
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"text": "You know, it explodes out of a conversation on accident."
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"text": "You can t always control when you do your breakup."
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"text": "But if you re the person doing the breaking up and you have some control over when the conversation is going to happen, save it for a Thursday, Friday, Saturday, you know."
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"text": "Now let s talk about the breakup conversation."
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"text": "The conversation itself is one of the worst conversations."
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"text": "No, I guess it s not one of the worst."
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"text": "There are worse conversations, far worse conversations that you can have in life."
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"text": "But wow, breakup conversations can be fucking brutal."
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"text": "And sometimes there are more than one of them, okay?"
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"text": "There aren t always going to be just one singular breakup conversation."
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"text": "Sometimes you ll have two."
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"text": "Sometimes you ll have five."
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"text": "Sometimes that s what it takes in order to agree upon a decision."
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"text": "But whether you have one breakup conversation or you have six, this advice applies to all types of breakup conversations."
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"text": "Okay."
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"text": "Advice for both partners."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Okay."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Cause this hurts for both people."
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"text": "And I know this because I ve been on both sides of it."
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"text": "I ve broken up with somebody and I ve been broken up with, and I will tell you, it s easy to assume that being the person being broken up with hurts worse, but in a weird way, they can both hurt equally."
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"text": "And I was shocked by that."
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"text": "I don t know."
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"text": "My first breakup I was broken up with."
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"text": "So that s sort of how I started it out."
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"text": "And I was like, Oh my God, you know, I wish I was the one doing the breaking up."
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"text": "It just seems so much easier."
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"text": "But I have now had experiences that have changed my perspective."
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"text": "Okay."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It hurts for both people."
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"text": "I do think that it usually hurts worse to be broken up with because you feel so out of control."
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"text": "But I think that there are a lot of times when both parties are almost hurting equally."
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"text": "You should never assume that the person doing the breaking up is hurting less."
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"text": "It s not necessarily true."
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"text": "So during the breakup conversation, both partners should allow themselves to be emotional."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Let the sadness come out."
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{
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Let the heartbreak come out."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "The worst thing you can do is swallow everything."
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"text": "And I think it s bad for two reasons."
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"text": "Number one, because that s uncomfortable for you."
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"text": "Like if your body wants to cry, it feels better to actually let yourself cry."
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"text": "At first you might be embarrassed, but I ll tell you why you shouldn t be embarrassed."
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"text": "showing emotion to your partner during a really heartbreaking moment shows them that this means something to you."
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"text": "And breakups are not fun for either party."
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"text": "So it s really important to show each other that you re sad about this."
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"text": "This is fucking sad."
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"text": "You know, even if you screwed each other over, even if you weren t great to each other all the time, you still loved each other."
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"text": "And I think it s important for both parties to show their true emotions."
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"text": "It does signal to the other person how much the relationship meant."
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"text": "I don t know, that makes things feel better, weirdly."
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"text": "your ego, okay?"
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"text": "It can be so easy to react to the rejection that you re feeling."
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"text": "Like, I don t know, you can get angry, right?"
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"text": "Because your ego is being challenged."
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"text": "You re being rejected."
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"text": "It feels terrible."
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"text": "You know, your self-esteem is being shot."
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"text": "Some of us react to that by getting angry."
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"text": "And I think the reason why it s good to avoid getting angry"
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"text": "Number one, that doesn t foster a positive conversation in any way, shape or form."
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"text": "Number two, it s not the mature, higher road to take."
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"text": "You know, raising your voice and getting angry can cause the other person to lose respect for you."
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"text": "You re allowed to be upset."
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"text": "You re allowed to be confused."
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"text": "You re allowed to be frustrated."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "But try to keep your tone as mature as possible."
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"text": "It s hard when you re being broken up with."
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"text": "You go into defense mode."
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"text": "You re like, well, what s wrong with me?"
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"text": "Everything s fucking wrong with you."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Fuck you."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "You know, it s so easy to want to go there."
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"text": "But I think it s so much better not to."
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"text": "You don t want to look back and regret the way that you handled the situation and say, Oh, I could have been a little bit more level-headed."
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"text": "I could have handled that in a more mature way."
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"text": "It takes a lot of self-control and a lot of restraint not to let your ego talk, but it s worth the effort."
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"text": "You know, sometimes people who aren t super keen on communicating will just say that they want to break up and not explain why."
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"text": "I ll tell you, that will torture you later."
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"text": "Try to get to the bottom of it."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Figure out what went wrong."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Ask them questions."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Interrogate them."
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{
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And you have the right to do so because you just spent an extended amount of time with them and they re now walking away from you."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "You do deserve to know why."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Hopefully they ve figured out why and they can tell you."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Sometimes they re not going to know why and that s the fucking worst or they re lying."
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{
"chunk": "1",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "They do know why, but they re pretending like they don t know why they re playing dumb."
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"text": "That is the worst."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "But I d say to the best of your ability, get it out of them."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "This is important because it prevents reaching out down the line for answers."
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"text": "You want to feel as resolved by the end of the conversation as possible."
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"text": "You want to feel like you understand why this happened."
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"text": "You want to be able to take away things that you can work on in your own life to prevent that from happening again down the line, hopefully, unless it had nothing to do with you."
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"text": "But even then, there s probably something you can work on."
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"text": "It gives you closure to an extent, to an extent."
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"text": "OK, to an extent."
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"text": "Next, if you still want to be with them, gently propose ideas to solve the issues that you re experiencing in the relationship."
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"text": "I don t think there s anything wrong with sort of fighting back a little bit."
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"text": "Now, key word, gently fighting back."
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"text": "Ultimately, you have to respect your partner s decision, okay?"
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"text": "If they re not interested in fixing things, don t push it too far."
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"text": "But I do think that there s value in proposing some ideas."
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"text": "This is how we could fix this."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "If I would have known that you felt this way sooner, I would have done this, this, and that."
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"text": "It s totally healthy and good to try to provide solutions."
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"text": "And sometimes providing solutions might open up your partner s mind to continuing to try, but that will not always be the case."
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"text": "And when it s not the case, you have to accept it."
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"text": "Now, if you re breaking up with your partner, my first piece of advice is to be gentle with your delivery, okay?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "You re in the power position."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "You have to be thoughtful of that."
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{
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "you re about to destroy somebody s self-esteem temporarily."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "You know what I mean?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "You re rejecting them."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s a blow to the ego."
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"text": "It s a blow to the self-esteem."
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"text": "Majority of people get rejected in some way and take it personal."
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"text": "And sometimes it is a little bit personal."
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"text": "That s just life."
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"text": "That s how life works, right?"
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"text": "But when you re the one doing the breaking up, I think it s best to be gentle and as thoughtful of the other person as possible."
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"text": "And be honest."
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"text": "That person is going to leave that conversation feeling like, oh, well, they ll probably be ready to be in a relationship again at some point."
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"text": "point, and I ll be here waiting for when they re ready."
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"text": "You have to be clear about why you re leaving the relationship so that you can manage the expectations of the other person."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s not going to work."
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"text": "And then you re going to end up in another five hour conversation where you re like, are we breaking up or no?"
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"text": "You know, you re just you re going to end up there again."
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"text": "It s so important to stand firm and it s so fucking hard."
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"text": "But you have to."
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"text": "Oh, I m like reliving every breakup conversation I ve ever had simultaneously in my head right now."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s not fucking fun."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It is not fun."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It is a catastrophe."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s a catastrophe."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And it s so sad."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Like even if your partner sucked ass, it still is sad."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I m not kidding."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s still fucking sad."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Let s talk about the day of the breakup."
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"text": "You go your separate ways."
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"text": "This is assuming you don t live together."
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"text": "I have not ever lived with a partner, so I can t really speak to that."
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"text": "But let s talk about what you do on the day of the breakup."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I m sorry."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "No."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I don t think that that works."
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"text": "Just let yourself do that."
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"text": "Don t run away from it."
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"text": "I swear to God, I ve taught myself how to do this now with breakups."
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"text": "I used to fight the sadness."
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"text": "I used to try to stop thinking about the person."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "That only prolongs it, okay?"
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"text": "It s so interesting."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
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"text": "I ve never gone through a breakup alone."
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"text": "Oh my God, this was so sweet."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "My friends took me to a hotel because my first boyfriend broke up with me in my apartment and I could not be there."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s so sterile."
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"text": "But it was exactly what I needed, just a new setting for myself."
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"text": "And my friends and I just had a little sleep over there and I was bawling the whole night."
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"text": "Oh my God."
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"text": "Oh my God."
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"text": "I was bawling the whole night, but I was with my friends and they made me feel so much better."
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"text": "They were telling me, they re like, this is going to pass."
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"text": "You re going to get through this."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "They were there to rub my back."
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{
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "They were there to hear me out because ultimately what I wanted was to talk through it."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Right."
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{
"chunk": "2",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And they were there for me."
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{
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"text": "In breakups following, I called my parents."
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{
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"text": "I called my friends."
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"text": "I didn t force myself to do it alone."
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{
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Because it can be really easy when alone to spiral, okay?"
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{
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "You can lose perspective really quickly when you re locked in your own mind."
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{
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"text": "It can be so helpful to talk to somebody who can see things from a bird s eye view, objectively."
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"text": "I think it s particularly helpful to talk to people who have been through a handful of breakups in their life as well, because they re going to be the ones that are going to prove to you that things will get better."
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"text": "Don t you dare reach out."
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"text": "No."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s going to be so tempting."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "You re going to want to be like, hey, how are you feeling?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Nope."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "No, you re not doing that."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Sorry, you re not doing that."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s too soon."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "You re still too raw and vulnerable."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "They re still too raw and vulnerable."
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"text": "No, no matter how bad it gets, don t talk to them."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Call someone else, call one of your family members, call a friend, call anyone, but call your therapist, call anyone but them."
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"text": "Do not call them."
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{
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Do not text them."
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{
"chunk": "2",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s not time yet."
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{
"chunk": "2",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s too soon."
},
{
"chunk": "2",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "No."
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{
"chunk": "2",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Okay."
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{
"chunk": "2",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "No."
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{
"chunk": "2",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Now, if you have the energy, you might not, okay?"
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{
"chunk": "2",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "You might end up spending the whole day in bed crying, and that s fine too."
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{
"chunk": "2",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "You don t even have to brush your teeth, okay?"
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{
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I would argue on the night of a breakup, you don t have to brush your teeth, just go to sleep, okay?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s the one night where you get to eat sweet treats and not brush your teeth after, even though that s so bad for your teeth."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "But I would say on the night of a breakup, it s fine."
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"text": "Anyway, if you have the energy, I do think it is so great to find some sort of distraction."
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"text": "For example, my first breakup, I obviously went to that hotel with my friends and we watched TV and we watched movies and I cried the whole time and just was talking over the TV and movies and was talking about the breakup, but that was helpful."
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"text": "In my other breakups, I ve had a bit more strength."
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"text": "Call me crazy, one time I was even able to go out to dinner the same day with my friends."
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"text": "And I ll tell you, that helped me so much."
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{
"chunk": "2",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It helped me so much."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Getting kind of dressed up and going out to dinner, I don t know, it sort of forces you to get back into the real world, get back on your feet."
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"text": "And when you re going through a breakup, sometimes even sitting through a movie is a task."
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"text": "Because it s like, oh, my God, I m supposed to focus on this movie and not think about my breakup."
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"text": "Listen, don t set any sort of expectations for yourself."
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{
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "You know, be patient with yourself."
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{
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "But I think it can help to just try to distract yourself."
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{
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "You know, even the act of trying can sometimes help get you back on your feet."
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{
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And also, if you have the energy, pamper yourself."
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{
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Order your favorite food for dinner on a food delivery app."
},
{
"chunk": "2",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Do your skincare routine."
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{
"chunk": "2",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Do a hair mask."
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{
"chunk": "2",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Book a massage."
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{
"chunk": "2",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "If you have the energy to pamper yourself, this is the time to do it."
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{
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Truly."
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{
"chunk": "2",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Now let s discuss the first week or two after the breakup."
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"chunk": "2",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Okay, you re getting back on your feet, but fuck, it s hard."
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{
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "You kind of have to get back to work, whether you re at school or you have a job or you re a parent."
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{
"chunk": "2",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It doesn t matter who you are, what you do."
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{
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "We all have shit we have to do."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "We have commitments, responsibilities."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Majority of us can t just lay in bed for two weeks."
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"text": "We have to get back on our feet a little bit."
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"text": "I d say for both partners, it s so important to continue to let the emotions come as they do."
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"text": "It can sort of be frustrating in the following few weeks to understand where you re at emotionally."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Like you might have one really good day and be like, Oh, fuck."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Yeah."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Fuck."
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{
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Yeah."
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{
"chunk": "2",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I m actually getting over this shit."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And then the next day you re a fucking mess again."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "The following weeks can look very different for everyone."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It all comes in waves."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "There are ups and downs."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Some days are sort of bad."
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{
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Some days are really, really bad."
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{
"chunk": "2",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Some days are fine."
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{
"chunk": "2",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Then you have four days where you re really, really, really, really, really, really bad."
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{
"chunk": "2",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Then you have one day where you re like, wait, I m actually really good."
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{
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And it s just a mess."
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{
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s a fucking mess."
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{
"chunk": "2",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Just go with the flow."
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{
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Don t fight the emotions as they come."
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{
"chunk": "2",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It can be tempting to be like, wait, yesterday I was doing pretty good and now today I m doing worse."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Why am I going backwards?"
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{
"chunk": "2",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "You re not going backwards."
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"chunk": "2",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Every day that you wake up, you re going forwards."
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{
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "The best way to get from a bad place to a good place is to ride it out."
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{
"chunk": "2",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Don t shove it down and hide it and suppress it."
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{
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "If you need to go to the bathroom at work to cry for 30 minutes, do it."
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{
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "If you re feeling really good one day, celebrate that, but don t expect that tomorrow s going to be the same."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Be patient with yourself because sometimes like the first two weeks after a breakup,"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "you re actually shockingly good and then the pain comes later."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I ve experienced that where it s like in the beginning, you re like, wait a minute, I m actually kind of relieved, you know, like I m back to focusing on me."
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"text": "This is actually really good."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And then the pain comes later."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "So it just depends."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "But I think most people are hurting in those first two weeks."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "There s a good chance that you re in the worst of it."
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{
"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I also think it can be really helpful to sort of remove all signs of them from your life."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Mute them on Instagram, take the pictures of you and them off your walls, take the gifts that they gave you over the years and put them in a box and put them in the garage."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Any sign of them should be hidden."
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{
"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Because listen, you re already going to be thinking about them enough."
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{
"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "That s inevitable."
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{
"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "If you can hide all signs of them, it ll prevent an unnecessary thought of them."
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{
"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "This has been really helpful for me."
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{
"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And it also sort of like a closure ritual."
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{
"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s like, okay, we re putting these things away."
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{
"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Now they could always come out of retirement again if we decide to rekindle, but we might not."
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{
"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And I need to almost pretend as though we will not."
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{
"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "There might even be a day down the line where, you know, maybe you don t even speak anymore, but you could bring out a gift that they gave you again."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And you can enjoy that gift from them again without it being a negative memory."
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{
"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "You ll hit a point where that s doable for you."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "But I would say in those first two weeks, it s like get everything out of sight, out of sight, okay?"
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"text": "I also think it s helpful to keep yourself on track for those first few weeks by making to-do lists."
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"text": "it can be really easy to sort of fall into a depressive state."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And sometimes you can t prevent that, right?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "If you re laying in bed all day and you re starting to feel depressed, I m talking about dark darkness."
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"text": "That s when you should call a therapist, should call a professional and be like, this is really bad."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s getting really serious."
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{
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I can t actually get out of bed."
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{
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I need help."
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{
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "We ve all been there."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Actually, we haven t all been there."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I ve been there."
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"text": "Um,"
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"text": "But I know even with me as somebody who has struggled with depression for years, I ve fallen into a depressive state during a breakup and sort of allowed myself to stay in it when I actually did have the strength to get out of bed and get my shit together."
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"text": "What has helped me in the past is making to-do lists."
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"text": "During a breakup, you don t want to fall into a slump where you re in bed and then that ends up making you feel worse about yourself because you re like, I m not getting anything done."
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"text": "I m not doing anything."
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"text": "Try to keep yourself on track to the best of your ability."
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"text": "Make a to-do list with the bare minimum."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "At least getting done the bare minimum will make you feel accomplished and good so that you don t start spiraling out of control in a way."
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"text": "If you re feeling like, okay, you know what, I have it in me actually to do a bit more."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And in fact, I think it ll make me feel better to do a bit more."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Pack your schedule filled with stuff."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Get all the bare minimum on there, but then add other stuff."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Be like, okay, I actually want to try this recipe."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And you know, I want to get my nails done."
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{
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And you know, I want to volunteer at this place."
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{
"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I want to see this friend I haven t seen in a while."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Just start packing your schedule filled with stuff."
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"text": "Make a to-do list."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I also think during this first two weeks, it s so crucial to focus back in on yourself."
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"text": "When you re in a relationship, you re sort of splitting your attention between you and this other person."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Now they re out of your life."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "So instead of continuing to put that attention on that other person, figure out what you can do with that extra energy that you now have to work on yourself and start thinking about ways that you can improve your life."
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"text": "You know, start manifesting what you want your life to look like."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Next, plan some fun activities."
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"text": "Okay."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Plan some fun shit."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Plan to go out to a party with your friends."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Plan a little painting night with your friends."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Get some things on the calendar that you can look forward to because it can feel sort of like you re in this cloud of impending doom when you go through a breakup."
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"text": "It ll give you a little glimmer of light in a way when you look at your calendar and you re like, oh, but on Friday,"
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"text": "We re going to go out and we re going to go get drinks at this bar and then this Friday all my friends are coming over and we re going to paint paintings and drink wine, like whatever it might be."
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"text": "Plan some activities."
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{
"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Okay, and last but not least, don t fucking reach out."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Don t you dare reach out."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Still too soon."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "You can t."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "You re still too vulnerable."
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{
"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "You re still too raw."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s not a good idea."
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"text": "And if you ve been through a few breakups in the past, this is all old news."
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"text": "But I went through this phase where I really wanted to get that back from them."
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"text": "Like I almost feel like I gave them something."
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"text": "which I don t think is necessarily true, but it was really bothering me that they got to see a side of me that is really sacred."
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"text": "And it just bothered me."
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"text": "And a lot of you might be like, Emma, what is wrong with you, you grandma?"
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"text": "Like literally people have sex with like 50 people a year and don t blink an eye."
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"text": "Like what s wrong with you?"
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"text": "I don t know."
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"text": "This is just how I psychologically react to casual hookups."
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"text": "Okay."
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"text": "Okay."
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"text": "I m back to being a lone wolf."
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"text": "The concept of hookup culture is back on my mind."
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"text": "And shockingly, I went into it with an open mind."
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"text": "Yes, my past experiences have been terrible, as I just displayed for you, but I m a very different person now."
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"text": "Okay."
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"text": "I m much more confident."
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"text": "I m also not desperate for validation from sexual partners as much as I used to."
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"text": "I really had an issue with that."
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"text": "when I was younger and I just have so much more life experience."
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"text": "So I was like, okay, let s, let s re-examine this with a brand new lens."
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"text": "Let s try this again with an open mind and see if it s something that can work when you re a little bit older, you know?"
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"text": "And so, you know what?"
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"text": "I dabbled."
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"text": "I dabbled a little bit and I want to share what I found because I feel like I went into it with a really fresh lens and I came out of it with some solid conclusions."
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"text": "Okay, what works for you might not work for me."
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"text": "Being single can be so magical."
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"text": "You can put all of your effort into developing yourself, building a life that you love, making friends that are magical."
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"text": "And that leads me to the cons of the casual hookup, okay?"
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"text": "I wanna come on here and be like, listen, you guys, so I can t stop hooking up with everyone."
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"text": "I can t stop, I m obsessed."
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"text": "I can t stop, I m having so much sex."
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"text": "I d love to come on here and say that I would love to but unfortunately I m coming on here like a grandma"
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"text": "I already sort of touched on this, but it s just weird."
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"text": "Next con, someone might want it to turn into something more."
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"text": "And then it ends up making you miss your ex more over time because you re trying to put a band-aid on an open wound and you need to get stitches."
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"text": "And the only way that you can get stitches is by having some time alone and rebuilding"
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"text": "And I ve come such a long way socially and confidence-wise that at this point I feel like I should be able to do this."
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"text": "without alcohol, but I still don t think I could and that s a sign to me that I shouldn t be doing it."
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"text": "It s happening."
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"text": "It s like my casual experiences have made more meaningful experiences less exciting and I wonder if that s just me getting older and me just becoming more desensitized to sex because I ve had more of it so then I just don t,"
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"text": "Next con, I think at times it can get in the way of finding somebody who can be good for you long term."
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"text": "But it s very time consuming to find people to hook up with, okay?"
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"text": "Next con, sometimes we hook up with people that we really, really don t know."
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"text": "Who the fuck is this person?"
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"text": "Who is this?"
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"text": "They don t know me well enough to be in my space like this, yet I m letting them into this space."
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"text": "What s happening?"
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"text": "Are they filming me right now?"
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"text": "You don t know."
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"text": "That s the other thing."
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"text": "When you re just kind of random with it, you have no idea who you re dealing with."
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"text": "You just have no idea."
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"text": "And that s frightening, okay?"
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"text": "You re having a very, very vulnerable moment that has health risks, safety risks, et cetera, and you don t even know who this fucking person is."
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"text": "It s ridiculous."
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"text": "And last but not least, okay, last con,"
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"text": "It s the highest form of flattery in some ways, you know It s like wow, this person is so attracted to me that they want to Have sex with me Unfortunately, though the little confidence boost that you get from a casual hookup is short-lived Okay, it s very very short-lived Number one because there s a chance that the person you had sex with doesn t actually respect you doesn t actually care about you"
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"text": "And on top of that you feel like you just got played which makes you feel even worse about yourself, but also There are times when you may choose somebody to have sex with it."
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"text": "That s not cool."
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"text": "And even if everything goes just as planned, and you have sex, and this person actually respects you, even though it s just a casual hookup, and maybe they even start to like you, and maybe you even like them back, if you re trying to find your confidence in something outside of yourself, it will always end"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "No, I m kidding."
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"text": "Like, I m giving you my findings."
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"text": "You know that something doesn t benefit you, but you do it anyway because it s fun."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "But is it fun?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I don t know."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I don t know."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Here s the thing."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Everyone s different."
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"text": "Okay."
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"text": "Everyone s different."
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"text": "I love it."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And you re wrong."
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"text": "And guess what?"
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"text": "That s totally fine because none of us are wrong."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I don t know."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Let me know if you agree with me, though."
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"text": "I m genuinely curious."
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"text": "It s very split."
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"text": "And I don t know, I guess I ll just talk to you soon."
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"text": "Okay, I don t want to talk about this."
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"text": "I m talking about it, but I don t want to talk about it because it s mortifying."
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"text": "This is a behavior that we all participate in privately."
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"text": "There are very few behaviors that are more private."
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"text": "than this one."
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"text": "Maybe we discuss this with our closest friends, but this is a very private behavior."
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"text": "I d argue it s almost as private as masturbation."
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"text": "There s something so deeply personal and private about this that I m absolutely terrified to discuss it today."
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"text": "But you know what?"
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"text": "We re doing it social media stalking."
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"text": "I m not talking about actual stalking."
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"text": "I m not talking about showing up at someone s house and watching them through the window."
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"text": "I m not talking about hacking into their social media accounts using some sort of hacking tactic."
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"text": "I saw it called social media lurking online."
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"text": "And I feel like that s a better term for it because most of us are not stalking."
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"text": "I don t know if everyone does this, but I d argue most people do this."
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"text": "Most people who are on social media participate in some form of social media stalking."
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"text": "You keep up with them regularly and you re not in each other s lives super closely, so it s sort of unusual."
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"text": "What are you doing, you silly boy?"
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"text": "I also think that there are times that we stalk our exes to feel close to them if we miss them, you know, see if there s a chance that we could get back together in some way."
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"text": "Like, I think that at times we can stalk for that reason."
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"text": "You know, we re trying to put the pieces together to figure out, okay, wait, could we get back together one day?"
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"text": "I don t know."
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"text": "We also stalk our ex-friends."
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"text": "Now, this is a much less extreme version of what we do, I feel like, with our exes."
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"text": "I d say a lot of times we re stalking our ex-friends out of pure curiosity and maybe at times jealousy or competitiveness."
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"text": "I feel like I tend to stalk old friends out of curiosity."
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"text": "It s not that hard, at least for me, to forgive friends who have maybe wronged me."
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"text": "That s much easier than forgiving an ex for some reason."
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"text": "Actually, not for some reason."
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"text": "It s very clear why, because that s a much deeper relationship."
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"text": "But I don t know."
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"text": "I don t personally stalk ex-friends from a place of anger, resentment, jealousy, competitiveness."
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"text": "It tends to just be pure curiosity, like what the hell are they doing?"
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"text": "How are they doing?"
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"text": "But I can see how for some it can mirror stalking an ex-partner much more."
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"text": "You know, it just depends on how your friendship ended and how much you value your friendships, how you value your friendships, not even necessarily how much, but how you value them."
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"text": "you know, I m much more flexible with my friendships."
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"text": "Like, I m much more open to people coming and going as we both make sense in each other s lives, you know."
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"text": "And I ve been sad when friendships have ended, but I don t know, it s just always been easier for me to move past, I would say, than"
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"text": "romantic relationships."
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"text": "And then last but not least, we stalk people that we have crushes on."
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"text": "You wanna feel in the loop on what your crush is up to because you wanna see like, okay, wait, are they available for me?"
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"text": "Okay, wait, what are they doing?"
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"text": "I mean, seeing what your crush is doing is obviously amusing because when you have a crush on somebody, you wanna see them do actually anything, you don t care."
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"text": "So I feel like that s mainly who we stalk, right, when we re on social media."
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"text": "Now listen, there are some exceptions."
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"text": "I don t know who the exception would be, but those are the types of people that came to mind for me."
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"text": "But there s a clear theme."
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"text": "We tend to stalk people on social media who bring out negative emotions in us."
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"text": "Jealousy, resentment, anger, sometimes longing, sadness."
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"text": "I mean, even with your crush, sometimes that can bring out feelings of anxiousness, anticipation,"
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"text": "I feel like social media stalking is almost always rooted in some sort of negative emotion."
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"text": "So let s really dig into it."
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"text": "Why do we do this?"
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"text": "I googled it."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I didn t find a lot."
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"chunk": "1",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Now maybe I should have dug a little deeper, but I didn t find a lot."
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"text": "So I had to sort of piece things together to try to figure out why we love stalking on social media so much."
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"text": "Like, why are we so addicted to it?"
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"text": "Here s what I found."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "All up for debate, as always."
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"text": "We re looking for a boost of confidence."
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"text": "Stalking somebody that we dislike can be an easy way to get a confidence boost if the person that we dislike is believed by us to be a generally worse person than us."
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"text": "Like we might become obsessed with stalking somebody that we really don t like and don t think is cool because every time we go on their page, we know we re going to feel better about ourselves."
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"text": "I ll give an example."
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"text": "Let s say we stop being friends with somebody and you don t really respect them."
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"text": "Now, this is so sad and dark, so I m so sorry."
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"text": "Let s say you don t like them, you don t respect them, you don t think that they re cool."
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"text": "You kind of think that they re lame."
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"text": "That s why you stop being friends."
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"text": "You can go and stalk them and then compare your life to theirs and almost always come out of that with a little confidence boost."
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"text": "I think that s one reason why we stalk, because we re looking for an easy boost of confidence."
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"text": "But I also think that at times we re looking for a more rare boost of confidence."
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"text": "Stalking somebody that we dislike can be more challenging, yet far more rewarding"
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"text": "when the person that we dislike is believed by us to be a generally better person than us."
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"text": "And as I sort of mentioned earlier, a lot of times we re gonna go on their page and we re gonna find them slaying and we re gonna feel like shit about ourselves."
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"text": "But every once in a while when we see that little slip up, that little cringe moment, we re gonna feel pretty good."
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"text": "So I think one reason why we stalk is for our confidence."
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"text": "We re looking for a cheap boost in our confidence."
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"text": "And we re not always gonna find it, but we might look for it."
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"text": "I think we also stalk on social media to compare ourselves."
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"text": "Thanks to wp.nyu.edu."
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"text": "Comparisons are a normal part of human cognition and can be good for the self-improvement process."
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"text": "When we compare ourselves to others, we get information about what we want and where we want to be, and we get valuable feedback on how we measure up."
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"text": "We compare ourselves to see, okay, wait, how the fuck are we doing?"
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"text": "You know what I mean?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "How are we doing?"
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"text": "Are we keeping up with the cool kids?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "What s happening?"
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"text": "I do think it s important to compare to an extent, you know what I mean?"
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"text": "We have to look around and see what everyone else is doing and use that as inspiration to do even better in our lives."
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"text": "I think that that can be a positive thing."
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"text": "It can very quickly become a negative thing though, that s for sure."
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"text": "And I think usually when it comes to social media stalking, it s the negative type of comparison where we re comparing in an unrealistic environment."
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"text": "In my opinion, healthy comparison doesn t need to be sought out."
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"text": "It s presented to you in your life."
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"text": "It s in the people that are around you on a day-to-day basis."
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"text": "You don t need to find somebody online to compare yourself to."
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"text": "I understand it s hard not to compare yourself to people that are online, though, because"
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"text": "I do it all the time."
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"text": "But I think even on social media, it s like, if you follow people who inspire you, who are good people, and you compare yourself to them, that could fall into the positive category, as long as it s not becoming toxic for you, in the sense that it s making you actually feel unmotivated and depressed because you feel like you ll never live up."
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"text": "That s when it s bad, but there s an endless list of people that you can compare yourself to online and that s why I think it s so tempting and It s easy to get fixated on one person and start checking up on what they re doing all the time Causing some stalking, you know"
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"text": "I also think that stalking is a distraction."
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"text": "I think some of us can use it as sort of an escape, which is so funny because I would argue that nine out of 10 times stalking people on social media leaves us feeling bad."
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"text": "You know, we end up seeing things we didn t want to see."
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"text": "We end up comparing ourselves more than we should be in an unrealistic environment."
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"text": "You know, online is unrealistic."
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"text": "We end up worse off nine out of 10 times."
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"text": "I would say the only time I stalk somebody on social media and I leave feeling good is probably when I m stalking a crush, when I have a crush."
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"text": "Because I m like, aw, so cute, obsessed, love them, love him, aw, so cute."
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"text": "Who s cute?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "You know what?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I mean?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Oh, that s great."
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"text": "You know what I m saying?"
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"text": "but even then sometimes I end up leaving stalking a crush being like This is so frustrating."
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"text": "Like will I ever even like will this ever happen with us or no and that can actually be kind of depressing too and it d be easier if I hadn t stalked them because then I wouldn t be thinking about them as much and I would just be living my life and"
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"text": "So anyway, back to what I was saying, I think it s funny that we use social media stalking as a distraction because usually we re distracting from negative feelings, negative emotions, but going and stalking on social media actually also creates negative feelings and negative emotions."
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"text": "But I guess it just creates new ones, different ones."
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"text": "So whatever."
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"text": "I know when I m going down a rabbit hole on Instagram and I m,"
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"text": "doing my little research or whatever about whoever."
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"text": "I am in another world."
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"text": "I m transported to another dimension, truly."
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"text": "Truly."
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"text": "And I ve been really bad about my social media usage recently, and I ve been really getting sucked into rabbit holes."
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"text": "And I swear, two hours goes by and I m like, what?"
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"text": "What just happened?"
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"text": "Because I m so distracted."
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"text": "I m so in it."
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"text": "You know what I mean?"
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"text": "And last but not least, kind of going off the last one, emotional attachment."
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"text": "I think this one mainly applies to like an ex significant other, you know, ex-partner."
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"text": "It s normal to miss an ex, to want to get back together with an ex."
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"text": "It s normal and so a lot of times the emotional attachment that you have to a person doesn t disappear when the relationship ends."
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"text": "You still feel emotionally attached to them and them completely being out of your sight is unnerving to you because you re attached to them."
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"text": "Seeing them knowing what they re doing feeling connected to them through social media makes you feel close to them again, and I also think emotional attachment can Inspire you to stop to try to figure out the likelihood of you getting back together."
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"text": "Like are they dating somebody new?"
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"text": "Like, you know what?"
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"text": "I mean, are they"
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"text": "Posting weird things on their Instagram story that allude to them having a new significant other like, you know You re looking for that you re looking for signs because you re still emotionally attached to them and that feeling is so vivid and so strong and so consuming that you ll do anything in your power to tend to those feelings and Stalking on social media might be the way to do it"
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"text": "Now, here s the thing, okay?"
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"text": "It makes sense why we do this, right?"
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"text": "It seems to be very human, but why do so many of us do it when it so clearly makes us miserable?"
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"text": "Nine out of 10 times when we stalk, I swear we end up feeling worse at the end of it."
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"text": "You know, even if it started as cute and innocent, like, oh, I want to see what they re up to."
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"text": "It almost always ends in some sort of negative feeling."
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"text": "When I really think about it, internet stalking always ends with pain."
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"text": "You might get a brief"
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"text": "That s at best."
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"text": "At worst, you might find out that your ex is dating somebody new and really hot."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Ouch, that hurts."
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"text": "Or you might find out that your ex best friend is on a vacation with their new best friends and they re having a lot of fun and you kind of feel jealous and left out."
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"text": "Or you might find out that the person that you feel competitive with or jealous of is fucking slaying."
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"text": "Is slaying."
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"text": "And that sucks, you know."
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"text": "It always ends bad."
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"text": "So why do we all continue to do it?"
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"text": "I seek out pain for sure sometimes."
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"text": "Like, why do I do that?"
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"text": "Why do we do that?"
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"text": "And that makes us feel satisfied."
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"text": "I think that this sometimes applies to social media stalking."
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"text": "I think sometimes we go into it expecting to see something that we don t want to see, and when we end up seeing the thing that we didn t want to see, we re forced to deal with it and accept it."
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"text": "And there can be something sort of satisfying about that, I guess, but I think we could go without it, you know what I mean?"
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"text": "Another reason why we seek out things that will hurt us is because it s a distraction."
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"text": "I said that earlier, but it was further proven now by science."
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"text": "It takes over everything."
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"text": "And so one pain can distract us from another pain, a worse pain, if that makes sense."
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"text": "And last but not least we seek out pain because of how good it makes us feel when we stop I don t know if that applies with social media stalking."
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"text": "I think that applies to a lot of things I think that applies to exercise, you know, maybe stretching you know, maybe Going out and being social when we re not in the mood or we re tired."
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"text": "I don t know and"
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"text": "Does it work in that situation?"
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"text": "I don t know."
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"text": "But I think the first two apply more."
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"text": "In my opinion, I think the reason why we continue to stalk on social media, even though it makes us feel like shit, is because we lack self-control."
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"text": "And we don t want to stop."
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"text": "We don t have self-control."
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"text": "We know deep down that the pain is yet to come."
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"text": "Like, yeah, we might get some sort of satisfaction short term, but long term, we know it s going to make us feel like shit."
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"text": "But we re looking for that short hit of amusement, excitement, confidence, whatever it may be."
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"text": "Because you know what s funny?"
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"text": "Even when you go into social media stalking looking for a confidence boost and you get it, you ll still end up feeling like shit long term because it doesn t feel good to get a confidence boost through other people not doing well."
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"text": "That actually is not where your confidence boost should come from."
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"text": "Not only does that make you feel bad about yourself at times because you re like, my God, like I m such a bad person."
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"text": "Like I am comparing myself to other people and like shitting on other people and that s how I feel good about myself."
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"text": "Like that s such a bummer."
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"text": "But also it s not a consistent stream of confidence."
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"text": "It s fleeting fast."
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"text": "If that s where your source of confidence is coming from, it will be gone just as quick as you got it."
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"text": "So you ll end up in the same place or even in a worse place than you were before."
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"text": "I also think that we don t stop, even though we know we should, because it s a part of our routine."
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"text": "Like I go on social media and I go through my explore page and my explore page knows what I m interested in and gives me content from people that I stalk."
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"text": "And so you know what that does?"
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"text": "That further pushes me to stalk more."
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"text": "but also we re so on our phones that we almost have a subconscious routine that we participate in."
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"text": "It s not completely subconscious, but it, it borders on subconscious because the way I use social media is so automatic."
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"text": "I don t even think about it."
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"text": "And I think it can become a part of our routines to use social media in a negative way."
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"text": "You know what I mean?"
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"text": "So I think it s safe to say that this is a bad habit."
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"text": "Okay."
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"text": "Stalking on social media is a bad habit."
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"text": "We should try to the best of our ability not to do it because I d argue it always ends bad."
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"text": "So how do we stop doing it?"
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"text": "If you don t follow each other and you re still stalking them and they won t notice if you block them, you should block them because then you can t look them up."
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"text": "Nope."
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"text": "It s very helpful."
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"text": "It s very effective, but it s also sort of unrealistic."
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"text": "You can t go and block Someone if they re gonna see that you block them."
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"text": "I think blocking like I don t know let s say you re dating somebody new and You keep stalking their ex-girlfriend and they don t the ex-girlfriend doesn t even know who you are."
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"text": "Whatever."
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"text": "Maybe you block that ex-girlfriend They re never gonna notice right just so that you can t even look them up."
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"text": "Let s say you still follow somebody that you stalk Incessantly always checking it."
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"text": "Okay, maybe it s time to mute them"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "You don t have to unfollow them."
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"text": "They don t have to unfollow you."
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"text": "Maybe it s just a mute, but it s trying to get them out of your sight as much as you possibly can."
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"text": "I think more effective than that is to notice when you re starting to stalk and to figure out how you pivot."
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"text": "So maybe you have an issue with stalking this one person that you re jealous of on Instagram."
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"text": "You just can t stop."
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"text": "I think just having a plan on how to pivot can be so helpful."
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"text": "Like I do this all the time with bad habits, okay?"
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"text": "Like for example, when I am stalking on social media and it s starting to get toxic, right?"
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"text": "My pivot is I ll go on Pinterest because Pinterest for me is very positive."
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"text": "I go on Pinterest and I find inspiring images and I save them in my little boards and it inspires me."
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"text": "I go on there to be inspired, right?"
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"text": "Now I know like, okay, when I m using social media, Instagram specifically, in a negative way, okay, I m just going to pivot to Pinterest."
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"text": "No biggie."
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"text": "Don t worry."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "No problem."
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"text": "Just pivoting over, pivoting over to Pinterest."
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"text": "And that s helped me a lot."
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"text": "I also think it helps to distract yourself in the real world."
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"text": "Now, don t be offended by that because there are periods of my life where I just have downtime, you know, especially during the winter time when it s cold out and I can t just go to the beach when I m bored."
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"text": "You know, it s especially hard during the colder seasons."
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"text": "because we re just kind of inside a lot more."
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"text": "It s so important to keep yourself busy."
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"text": "Keep yourself busy in the real world."
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"text": "And last but not least, try to find more fulfilling ways to use social media."
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"text": "Listen, social media is a huge part of our lives."
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"text": "We re not getting out of that."
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"chunk": "3",
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"text": "This is the world that we live in, okay?"
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"text": "But there are ways to make it positive."
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"text": "You can follow a bunch of inspiring accounts and just use social media for that."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Curate your social media experience that you re only seeing stuff on your feed that makes you feel good Can you still go in stock?"
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"text": "Of course?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "But I think a combination of all four of those things can be really helpful at the end of the day."
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"text": "We re human We re still gonna stalk people on social media."
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"text": "I don t know if I m ever gonna fully not do it like it s just so I m curious about so many people and I m like"
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"text": "And I mean, sometimes I m jealous of people."
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"text": "Sometimes I m competitive with people."
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"text": "I want to see what they re doing."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Like, it s tough."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s tough."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And it s so ingrained in our social media routine, how we use social media."
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"text": "But I know for me recently, it s been"
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"text": "bad."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I ve been doing it a lot, just stalking everyone."
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"text": "I can t stop."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I m obsessed."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "No, I m not obsessed."
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"text": "Okay, excuse me."
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"text": "I m not obsessed, but it s starting to get cold outside and I m spending a lot more time indoors."
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"text": "Unfortunately, that means a lot more time on my phone."
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"text": "I ve just been doing deep dives on just about everyone from like a little crush to somebody I m deeply competitive with."
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"text": "Like it doesn t matter."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Like it s everyone."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s brutal."
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"text": "But guess what?"
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"text": "I m going to stop."
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"text": "No, I m not."
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"text": "I m not."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "But I m really going to try my best to stop."
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"text": "I m going to stop as much as I can because I do think it s starting to make me depressed."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "So that s social media stalking."
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"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "OK, we all do it."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Don t even listen."
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"text": "OK, if you don t do it,"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Good for you."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Congratulations."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Okay."
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"text": "There s some of us out there that are not as strong as you anyway."
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"text": "That s all I have to say today."
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"text": "Thank you all so much for listening and hanging out."
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"text": "Hope you enjoyed it."
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"text": "Hope that it resonated with you in one way or another."
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"text": "And if you did enjoy it, give Anything Goes a little rating, a little five stars."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Never hurt anyone."
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{
"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "You can follow Anything Goes on Instagram at Anything Goes if you want to keep up with the show."
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{
"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "You can stream new episodes of Anything Goes every Thursday and every Sunday."
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{
"chunk": "3",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "stream anywhere you get podcasts, watch video exclusively on Spotify."
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{
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "You can follow me on Instagram at Emma Chamberlain."
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"text": "You can check out my coffee company, Chamberlain Coffee."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "We have coffee, we have tea."
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"text": "We re in grocery stores too."
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"text": "So if you want to find us in a store near you, go on the store locator or you can just order everything on chamberlaincoffee.com."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And that s all I have to say."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I just love and appreciate all of you and thank you so much for hanging out with me."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Um, and I had so much fun with you as always, and I hope you had fun with me."
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"text": "And if you didn t, well, I ll probably hear about it."
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"text": "So peace and love."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And I can t wait to talk to you soon."
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"text": "It s sort of an online trend to post about wellness, wellness routines, habits for wellness."
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"text": "I m assuming we ve all seen it, but just in case some of you out there haven t, I ll explain it to you."
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"text": "Wellness content consists of videos or photos of people participating in habits that ultimately make them healthier and happier and better."
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"text": "And I feel like wellness content is centered around feeling your best, being your best."
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"text": "Although I think its impact is much more complicated."
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"text": "You know, wellness content can be inspiring to people, which is great."
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"text": "It can also be discouraging for some people because they re like, wow, this person looks like they have their shit together."
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"text": "I could never have my shit together like they do."
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"text": "You know, I think it can be negative in that aspect."
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"text": "They re like, well, I wake up at this time and then I do this perfect routine, blah, blah, blah, blah."
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"text": "And it s not even accurate, you know?"
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"text": "Well, listen, I m here to participate in the wellness content."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Yeah, I am."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I know."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I can t believe it either."
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"text": "And before you re like, Emma, no."
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"text": "Stop."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "We don t care."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I know that."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "that I m going to tell you anyway."
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"text": "Listen, I definitely have a very specific wellness routine, okay?"
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"text": "Certain habits, certain things that I do that make me feel my best inside and out, to be honest."
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"text": "Now, this is not necessarily chronological."
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"text": "Because I have a very sensitive stomach, very sensitive."
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"text": "And when my stomach is not happy, mama s not happy, okay?"
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"text": "I don t want to get embarrassed anymore, okay?"
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"text": "I ve spent years and years and years of my life getting embarrassed constantly, as we all have, okay?"
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"text": "We all get embarrassed."
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"text": "It s a fundamental part of being a human being."
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"text": "With that being said, I m done with it."
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"text": "I m not doing it anymore."
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"text": "Something would happen that triggers me to be embarrassed."
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"text": "I am now aware that it is in your control."
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"text": "I think I ve actually cracked the code."
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"text": "How I keep embarrassment to a minimum in my life."
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"text": "Before I talk about how I stopped getting embarrassed, for the most part, let s start this conversation out by learning why humans get embarrassed, because I didn t really know."
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"text": "Thanks to americanscientist.org."
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"text": "What causes embarrassment?"
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"text": "We become embarrassed when we perceive that the social image we want to project has been undermined and that others are forming Negative impressions of us that definitely covers a large portion of embarrassment, you know Thinking that we did something that was embarrassing and everybody is looking at us thinking what a loser"
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"text": "You can t have one without the other."
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"text": "It s about not seeming embarrassed to the outside world and not feeling embarrassed genuinely inside, right?"
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"text": "Maybe you get a little ping of embarrassment, but it goes away quickly."
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"text": "Let s start with how to seem like you re not embarrassed when something embarrassing happens."
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"text": "Something happens."
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"text": "A lot of us, myself included, will just get filled with adrenaline and we ll get super red and we ll start talking really fast about God knows what to try to cover it up or whatever, and we ll seem frantic and all over the place."
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"text": "Some of us start crying."
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"text": "The second that you start to feel yourself being embarrassed, slow down."
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"text": "No rushing."
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"text": "This is like the one outlier, like this is the one thing I ve not cracked the code of because there s more work that needs to be done with this one, okay?"
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"text": "I went on wikihow.com, which always gives the best advice, and I looked up how to be mysterious."
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"text": "However, mysterious people aren t open books."
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"text": "Try to minimize the amount of things that you disclose about yourself."
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"text": "But I don t know if I m fully convinced that it s healthy to make a conscious effort to answer vaguely about yourself."
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"text": "Is it healthy to suppress the desire to sort of indulge in a little bit of conversation about yourself?"
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"text": "I mean, I understand we re reading a guide on how to be mysterious, so it s quite literally telling you to just shut up about yourself, which makes sense."
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"text": "But like when it comes to applying this advice to my own life, I don t know if that s something that I want to do."
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"text": "I don t know if it s being a good conversationalist to just answer questions with a few vague words."
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"text": "How boring is that?"
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"text": "This is great."
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"text": "You know, I don t have to be on for a second."
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"text": "And is it worth it to suppress that desire to share things about oneself just to be mysterious when that s not something that comes naturally?"
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"text": "I don t know."
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"text": "And I don t think we ever outgrow that piece of advice because"
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"text": "I ve had to make a conscious effort in recent years to think before I speak in attempt to not overshare."
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"text": "I didn t make this conscious decision to start thinking more before I spoke, but it happened naturally because I was so prone to oversharing and then regretting it after that I naturally was like, I just need to start thinking more before I say shit because I just let shit flow."
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"text": "And I do think that that s a really good piece of advice."
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"text": "Like that s something that I think we all could benefit from."
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"text": "That s something that I m actively working on, something that I want to continue to implement, but I don t know about only verbalizing things when you need to."
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"text": "because you very rarely need to say anything."
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"text": "And again, I feel like this is inspiring a much less dynamic conversation, which I m not obsessed with."
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"text": "Again, in practice, I don t know if this makes sense for me because maybe I d rephrase this to fit my own life and say, only say things when they mean something."
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"text": "Like, not just saying shit to say shit, but only saying things when they mean something, when they re going to have a positive impact."
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"text": "Those who are mysterious often observe others more than they steal the spotlight."
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"text": "Focus on taking in your surroundings, listening to what others say, and fading into the background a bit."
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"text": "Yeah."
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"text": "I think that s a great piece of advice."
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"text": "I have no problem with that."
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"text": "And I will say it s made socializing less exhausting for one, but for two,"
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"text": "To be mysterious, you have to limit how much you disclose about yourself in person and also online."
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"text": "shitting my pants or something or like, I don t know, me telling like an embarrassing story."
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"text": "I actually enjoy it."
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"text": "We all follow somebody on Instagram who s so mysterious, right?"
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"text": "Like every picture is like super hot and cool."
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"text": "And you know, you look at this person s profile and you re like, they just wake up in the morning, levitate out of bed, eat like rocks for breakfast, and then like levitate into their chair at work where they just like zzzzzz."
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"text": "And then they go and they get like a matcha from a coffee shop and then they like, and they just are levitating everywhere."
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"text": "You know what I m saying?"
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"text": "Like there s some people that you see on Instagram and you re like, this is not a human being."
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"text": "Like this is not a real human being."
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"text": "This is a robot."
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"text": "Ultimately, this is a robot."
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"text": "And I ve even had phases where I ve sort of enjoyed having that presence on social media more like, ooh, maybe I want to be more mysterious on social media."
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"text": "This is cool."
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"text": "At least from me, I don t think people like that from me."
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"text": "As I just said, I ve experimented with being mysterious on social media for various reasons."
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"text": "And yeah, it s definitely been an interesting journey to see how it makes me feel and how people react to it."
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"text": "Maintain good posture and keep your head held high so others immediately pick up on your confident attitude."
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"text": "It can be very tangible like, oh, this person is not really confident."
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"text": "Something s off here and I can feel it, you know?"
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"text": "And that s my only concern with that."
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"text": "Next, do unpredictable things."
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"text": "Do things from time to time that others wouldn t expect you to do."
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"text": "Actions that are seemingly out of character may ignite curiosity in others and make them wonder who you are and what you re really like."
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"text": "Again, I don t know if I like this because this feels like we re gamifying our personalities."
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"text": "It s like a game."
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"text": "We re trying to play with other people s perceptions of who we are."
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"text": "I don t know if premeditating actions to make people think a certain thing is healthy."
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"text": "Being like, oh, I m going to do something super random and out of character right now in 30 seconds."
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"text": "to make this certain person confused about who I really am and curious about who I really am."
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"text": "Like, I want to be far more intuitive than that and far more honest with who I am, you know?"
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"text": "Like, it seems like so far that being mysterious is like a full-time job."
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"text": "Like, I have to fucking change everything about myself and, like, make these strategic choices."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "That is not living a good life."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I m so sorry."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s just not."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "That s..."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Not healthy."
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"text": "Next, conceal your emotions."
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"text": "Mysterious people are hard to read."
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"text": "If you re really expressive, others will know what you re feeling without you having to say a word."
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"text": "Be mindful of your facial expressions and try to keep them somewhat neutral so that people aren t sure what you re thinking and feeling."
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"text": "We already sort of discussed this."
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"text": "I don t need to dig into it anymore."
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"text": "It s like, yeah, that can be a really powerful tool in anyone s toolbox in life."
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"text": "Life toolbox."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It can be helpful."
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"text": "You can t keep it all inside."
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"text": "Next, be less present and available."
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"text": "The key to being mysterious is to keep yourself as private and unknown as possible."
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"text": "The easiest way to keep people from learning too much about you is to spend less time with them and talk to them less."
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"text": "Spend most of your free time alone and or with people that know the real you so that you can appear distant to others."
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"text": "This is possibly the most toxic piece of advice I ve ever heard."
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"text": "This is really unhealthy to me."
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"text": "If you re a mysterious person by nature and you just naturally do this, great."
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"text": "That s one thing."
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"text": "Okay."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "But if you have an extroverted side to yourself, do you know what, maybe it s 60% extroverted, 40% introverted, I don t know."
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"text": "But it changes all the time."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It depends, it changes depending on what I need in my life."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "But right now, for example, I m loving being social."
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"text": "I ve never"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And yeah, I do want to be mysterious too, cause that seems also kind of fun, but like to isolate myself against my own will, just to be mysterious, like that s not good and not worth it."
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"text": "I don t want to be mysterious to the extent that like I m going to isolate myself."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "That s just sad."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
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"text": "And you know, this might be less hot."
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"text": "And that s all I have for today."
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"text": "Thank you all for listening and hanging out."
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"text": "If you did, new episodes every Thursday and Sunday."
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"text": "You can follow anything goes on Instagram at anything goes."
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"text": "You can follow me on Instagram at Emma Chamberlain."
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"text": "And I just appreciate and love you all."
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"text": "If you re an oversharer, I hope that you gained something from this."
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"text": "If you re deeply vulnerable, I hope that you were reminded how much of a superpower that is."
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"text": "If you re somebody who s more mysterious, I hope that this allowed you to understand the people in your life who overshare and"
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"text": "I don t know."
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"text": "And I m so grateful that you decided to hang out with me today."
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"text": "And if you enjoyed it, new episodes every Thursday and Sunday."
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"text": "Check out Anything Goes on Instagram at Anything Goes."
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"text": "Check me out on Instagram at Emma Chamberlain."
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"text": "Check out my coffee company, Chamberlain Coffee."
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"text": "So I m back."
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"text": "So from the view of science, spirituality is our deep seat of perception through which we see into the deeper level of life."
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"text": "May we do a practice, a brief practice?"
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"text": "Emma, I honor your awakened walk and your awakened life."
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"text": "If you enjoyed this episode, go check out Lisa s books."
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"text": "She s the author of several books, including The Spiritual Child, The New Science of Parenting for Health and Lifelong Thriving, for my parents out there, and The Awakened Brain, The New Science of Spirituality in Our Quest for an Inspired Life."
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"text": "That s all I got."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "That s all I got."
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"text": "It s really late for me right now when I m recording."
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"text": "It s 11.30 PM."
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"text": "I really appreciate you all tuning in and hanging out."
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"text": "It s always such a pleasure."
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"text": "Oh my God."
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"text": "If you re watching the video version of this episode right now, I know that you see that there s an untouched coffee on my nightstand right now."
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"text": "Okay."
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"text": "What does it mean to have good taste?"
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"text": "I m not talking about good taste in food."
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"text": "I m not talking about good taste in people."
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"text": "I m talking about good aesthetic taste."
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"text": "What does it mean to have good taste in art, music, interior design, fashion, movies, photography?"
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"text": "What does it mean to have good taste?"
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"text": "When I walk through an art gallery, I can determine, in my opinion, whether or not I think the art curator has good taste."
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"text": "Now, the art curator may not have my taste, but I have a sense that they have good taste."
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"text": "When I see somebody walking down the street, I can tell whether or not they have good taste, in my opinion."
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"text": "And they may not even have my taste."
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"text": "But still I can tell that they have good taste."
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"text": "I almost get a gut reaction when I see something and I decide whether or not liking it is a sign of good taste."
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"text": "And it s complicated because I like some things that I think are in bad taste."
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"text": "Like there s some music that I like that I think is in bad taste."
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"text": "Like I don t think it s actually good."
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"text": "There s even movies that I don t think are good, but I like them anyway."
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"text": "So this leads to the question of today."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "What does it mean to have good taste?"
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"text": "We put a lot of value on good taste."
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"text": "You know, I tend to be attracted to people romantically and platonically who I believe have good taste in things."
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"text": "I consider my taste to be a huge piece of my own identity."
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"text": "My aesthetic taste is a huge piece of my identity and I am biased, but I think I have good taste in stuff."
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"text": "That s a huge part of who I am and how I express myself to the world."
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"text": "And although it s such a relevant topic in my life, I ve never investigated aesthetic taste."
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"text": "What is good taste?"
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"text": "Does it even exist or is it so subjective that it doesn t exist?"
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"text": "I m not fully convinced that it doesn t exist, but we re going to go down the rabbit hole together and try to answer the question, what does it mean to have good taste?"
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"text": "Let s start with what aesthetic taste is."
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"text": "Taste is the most common trope when talking about the intellectual judgment of an object s aesthetic merit."
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"text": "To better understand this definition, let s also define aesthetic, concerned with beauty or the appreciation of beauty."
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"text": "So basically, taste, aesthetic taste,"
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"text": "How do humans develop their taste?"
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"text": "I was so mind blown when I started researching this that we have not figured out how we develop our tastes as human beings."
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"text": "There s no salad answer like oh we re born with our taste."
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"text": "We develop our taste as we grow up or it s a combination of the two they have yet to figure out how we develop our taste."
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"text": "But some philosophers believe that our aesthetic tastes are innate, meaning we re born with them, though they re refined as we grow older and we re exposed to more aesthetic things."
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"text": "So our taste is literally deep, deep within us, and it s sort of unchangeable."
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"text": "We re born with our minds made up on what we like and don t like, but our taste evolves as we grow older and we see more and we experience more."
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"text": "And I have some personal evidence for this theory."
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"text": "Growing up, I had a very specific point of view when it came to what clothes my parents put on me or what movie they put into the DVD player or"
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"text": "As you become more socially aware, you start to become more malleable and you start making decisions not just based on your own preference."
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"text": "I had a little goth streak in me and it s funny because I never dressed like it but I always had it in me and that s followed me throughout my life too where I do have like a little dark goth vibe in me but it s very mild and it only comes out sometimes but that s been very consistent throughout my life as well."
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"text": "I don t know."
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"text": "I don t know."
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"text": "Like, am I reaching a little bit?"
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"text": "But when I look at my whole life and my aesthetic taste throughout my whole life, it s just been so consistent to me."
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"text": "And the evolution has been so seamless."
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"text": "My taste very closely resembles my dad s taste."
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"text": "We have a little bit of overlap, but I would argue we have very different tastes in almost everything."
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"text": "I was equally exposed to aesthetic things from my mom and dad, but I did not ever align with my mom s tastes."
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"text": "And it just like, it doesn t make sense because in my own personal life, I just don t see as much evidence for this theory that we re blank slates."
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"text": "Is it even a real thing?"
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"text": "Because taste is subjective."
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"text": "But see, I don t really feel comfortable with saying that taste doesn t exist because it does exist."
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"text": "It s really hard to be completely unbiased in life because there s a whole lot of noise telling us what to like, what to not like, what s cool to like, what s not cool to like."
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"text": "If they have good taste in music, it s because they listen to a lot of music."
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"text": "Somebody who has good taste in clothing has done a fuck ton of research on fashion, looks at fashion magazines all the time, reads fashion books all the time, is making Pinterest boards all the time."
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"text": "Like for example, I don t know if I have good taste in movies because I haven t watched a lot of movies in my life."
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"text": "I think my taste in movies is very heavily tied to my taste in everything else and my taste in a lot of other things are more developed so maybe my taste in movies is,"
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"text": "I mean, maybe I would if I started watching them more, but I wouldn t feel comfortable telling people I had good taste in movies because I just don t watch movies."
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"text": "So ultimately we ve determined nothing, right?"
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"text": "Because we don t even really know if taste exists."
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"text": "And it s even more tricky because good taste can look different for everyone."
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"text": "There are so many different ways to have good taste."
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"text": "As I mentioned earlier, when I see something tasteful, I can point it out even when it s not my taste."
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"text": "And I feel like what I see is something that s thoughtful, something that s personal, something that s creative and unique, something that s genuine."
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"text": "And weirdly something that s humble, like those are the consistent qualities that are present when I think something is tasteful."
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"text": "I ll give some examples of tasteful things."
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"text": "In my opinion, in my opinion, when I see somebody walking down the street and they re wearing a tasteful outfit,"
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"text": "Maybe there s a cohesive color scheme."
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"text": "Maybe there s a cohesive theme."
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"text": "Maybe there s a lot of intricate little accessories."
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"text": "Maybe it matches their personality really well like you re watching them walk down the street in their outfits matches them perfectly and you re like wow that is so cool you know."
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"text": "It doesn t look like a carbon copy of something else that you ve seen before it feels."
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"text": "a little fresh and a little new."
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"text": "I would say tasteful music can be anything that hits a nerve."
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"text": "It makes you feel something deep because the way that it was composed or the lyrics that were put along with it,"
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"text": "are so real and so true and so genuine that it just hits a nerve."
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"text": "It hits a nerve and it gives you that feeling."
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"text": "We all know that feeling."
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"text": "We all know that feeling that we get when we hear a song and it just fucking hits and we don t know why and we don t know what it is and it just makes us feel a certain type of way."
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"text": "But like there s definitely music that I enjoy that to me is not tasteful."
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"text": "It doesn t hit that nerve the same way, but it s fun."
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"text": "And so I enjoy it still, but it s like there s a difference there."
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"text": "You know what I mean?"
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"text": "When I walk into somebody s house and it s decorated in a way that s truly comfortable and livable while still being inspiring to the person living in it, that s good taste."
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"text": "I think tasteful home decor balances comfort with aesthetic."
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"text": "Something that s comfortable and livable, yet something that says something about the person living there, that has a thoughtful color scheme."
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"text": "I keep hesitating."
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"text": "See, this is what s so hard about this topic is that it s so"
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"text": "subjective, like you can t put a finger on it."
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"text": "So me even saying like, has a thoughtful color scheme, it s like, yeah, maybe, but somebody can have really good taste and literally have no color scheme."
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"text": "Do you know what I m saying?"
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"text": "Like, oh, it s hard to put a finger on."
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"text": "But when I personally think about what is tasteful to me,"
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"text": "These are the things that I think of."
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"text": "These are the through lines across all the different things that could possibly be good taste in my eyes anyway, but it s so hard to put a finger on."
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"text": "Let s discuss popular opinion versus good taste."
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"text": "I feel like we would assume that if something was popular among human beings, that it s tasteful, it s in good taste."
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"text": "But in my opinion, enjoying what s trending, popular, widely enjoyed, an example being like Taylor Swift or Picasso, isn t necessarily good or bad taste."
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"text": "Like something s popularity has nothing to do with whether or not it s tasteful, in my opinion."
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"text": "I think the only way to judge if something is tasteful is to strip away all of its value in society and then to judge it."
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"text": "How would this song be if no one else had ever listened to it?"
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"text": "What would I think of this art piece if no one else had ever seen it?"
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"text": "What would I think of this clothing piece?"
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"text": "if no one else had ever worn it."
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"text": "I think that that s the only way to judge any kind of art to determine whether or not it s tasteful, at least in your opinion."
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"text": "There are a lot of popular things that are really bad."
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"text": "Popular movies, popular music, popular art even."
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"text": "Bad, it can be really fucking bad."
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"text": "It can also be really, really, really fucking good and it s popular for a reason."
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"text": "But see, again, I m calling it bad, but that s just my opinion."
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"text": "I mean, oh God, it is just my opinion."
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"text": "Geez."
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"text": "I mean, a lot of people share that opinion with me, but still, it s just our opinion, right?"
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"text": "Things can become popular for a number of reasons because there are some people out there whose taste consists of mainly popular things."
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"text": "And some people would argue that that s having bad taste."
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"text": "I don t think that that s having bad taste."
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"text": "I think that s just having taste that is not yet developed because what else is there to like other than popular things if you don t have any interest in digging around on the internet"
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"text": "and digging around in the library and digging around in galleries to develop your taste more, right?"
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"text": "And I think a lot of times popular things tend to be more simple and more digestible in a way."
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"text": "They re not polarizing or weird or unusual or"
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"text": "As challenging and that s why they re mainstream because they can appeal to a wide audience in one way or another."
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"text": "And I think that that puts people off who have more developed taste in things."
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"text": "They re like, popular stuff is fucking lame and fucking boring and too easy to understand and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah."
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"text": "It s not good."
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"text": "It could never be good."
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"text": "If it s mainstream, it s not good."
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"text": "And as much as I do think that it s true that mainstream things tend to be more simple, that doesn t necessarily mean that they re always bad."
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"text": "Can they be mad?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Yeah, but..."
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"text": "I don t think that they re related because there are so many things that are not mainstream that are incredibly tasteful."
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"text": "There are so many things that are not mainstream that are not tasteful at all."
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"text": "There are so many things that are mainstream that are tasteful."
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"text": "I just don t think that there s a relationship there."
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"text": "Now let s discuss the relationship between taste"
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"text": "and money."
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"text": "Good taste and wealth are often confused, and I think it s because there s some overlap."
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"text": "Pierre Bourdieu, a French philosopher known for his book Distinction, a Social Critique of the Judgment of Taste, was one of many to note that good taste was merely a way of society s ruling class to separate themselves from those less powerful."
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"text": "Weaponizing good taste is not hard to do because number one, the more money you have to buy excess in life and art and aesthetic things tend to be excessive."
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"text": "They re usually not."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "necessity."
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"text": "Wealthy people can afford to buy clothes that aren t functional but are just tasteful."
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"text": "They can afford to buy a really crazy piece of art that s super expensive."
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"text": "And though many expensive things are very tasteful,"
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"text": "There are also a lot of expensive things that are not tasteful, in my opinion, but that s why it s confusing because there are a lot of tasteful things that are expensive."
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"text": "And so it s easy to think of good taste and just think of expensive things, but"
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"text": "I m a firm believer that once again, those two things are not connected."
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"text": "I mean, I do think that to an extent, money is necessary to express your taste to the world, to buy certain clothes, to buy or even make art."
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"text": "I think music tends to be more fair game."
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"text": "It does cost a bit of money to express your taste."
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"text": "But again, expressing your taste is different than the taste that you have inside you."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And that s sort of what we re talking about."
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"text": "What is good taste?"
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"text": "What does it mean to have good taste?"
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"text": "And just because you re wealthy and you can afford this, this, and that, and you can express your taste as loudly as you want, it doesn t mean you have good taste."
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"text": "It doesn t mean the things that you re selecting"
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"text": "They re just expensive."
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"text": "And they might be good, but they might not be."
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"text": "somebody who does not make as much money but has good taste might thrift an outfit that looks phenomenal and is so tasteful and might make art that is incredible, might even buy art from their friends for like 15 bucks and it s incredible."
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"text": "Do you see what I m saying?"
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"text": "Like it makes sense to me why good taste and wealth get confused"
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"text": "Like we ve all watched those architectural digest tours, house tours that are just fucking hideous."
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"text": "They re hideous."
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"text": "The house is $150 million."
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"text": "The decor is hideous."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "The whole design, hideous, hideous."
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"text": "Now, some might argue that we who cannot afford a $150 million house could never understand the taste that is present in this home because we just don t get it."
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"text": "But I m not so fucking sure."
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"text": "I m so sorry, I m not so fucking sure."
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"text": "Because in some of those homes, I m just like, I can t even see a world."
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"text": "I can t even see a world where this is tasteful."
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"text": "I can t understand it."
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"text": "Is every single piece in that home expensive?"
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"text": "Absolutely."
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"text": "For sure."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "For sure."
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"text": "But is it tasteful?"
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"text": "No, I don t think so."
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"text": "And I read the comments and no one else thinks it s tasteful either."
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"text": "I don t know, I don t know."
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"text": "They buy this furniture collection because it s $5 million."
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"text": "And they don t really know if it s good or not, but somebody told them it was, so now they re buying it."
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"text": "Or they kind of like it, but they know that it s a status symbol and that s really why they re buying it."
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"text": "Like, I don t know."
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"text": "I just don t get it sometimes."
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"text": "Listen, there are $150 million homes out there that are fucking gorgeous and tasteful and incredible."
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"text": "And yeah, maybe there is a $5 million furniture set in there and maybe there is a million dollar piece of art in there."
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"text": "More often than not i find i m shocked by what i perceive to be the lack of taste in things that are incredibly expensive i mean even when i m."
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"text": "Online looking at designer clothing i m like what is half of this."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "What the hell is this?"
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"text": "This is a $5,000 jacket and I find it to be hideous."
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"text": "I would rather go to the thrift store, buy something for $3 that actually is cool and tasteful."
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"text": "This is not cool and tasteful."
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"text": "But again, maybe I just, maybe I personally just don t understand certain things."
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"text": "I ve seen a bit of chatter online about how wealthy people tend to have bad taste."
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"text": "And I have noticed the same thing."
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"text": "It s not always true."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s absolutely not always true, but I see it a lot."
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"text": "And I wonder if it s because in order to become a multi multi"
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"text": "You don t have any time to explore aesthetics."
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"text": "You don t have time to explore art."
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"text": "You don t have time to explore music."
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"text": "You don t have time to explore fashion."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "You re so wrapped up in making that money that you don t have time to do anything else."
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"text": "I ve also theorized that some people who have had money their entire lives had never had to question it."
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"text": "have been able to get whatever they want their whole lives, have never had a reason, a deep emotional reason to explore the arts."
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"text": "Again, I m not talking about all people who grew up wealthy, but I think maybe growing up wealthy, you just develop a taste for just things that are simply expensive, not necessarily for things that"
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"text": "Are deeply tasteful maybe there s not a desire to go and explore."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Fashion because you re like well i don t need to look any further than my favorite designer stores."
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"text": "That s not how you develop your taste you develop your taste by."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "looking everywhere, you know what I mean?"
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"text": "Not just expensive stores, you know what I mean?"
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"text": "Again, there are a lot of very wealthy people with very good taste."
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"text": "I mean, it s not necessarily, but I have noticed also that there does seem to be something interesting happening there."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "So how do we develop our taste?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "How do we hopefully develop good taste?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Although I m going back and forth on whether or not I believe good taste is a real thing."
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"text": "It s really bothering me."
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"text": "I don t know."
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"text": "And no one does."
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"text": "People much smarter than me have not decided whether or not good taste or taste at all exists."
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"text": "And that s something that we have to deal with."
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"text": "Listen to pop music."
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"text": "If you want to develop your taste in a category, just consume as much of it as you can."
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"text": "I also think it s important to remember that it doesn t cost money necessarily to develop your taste."
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"text": "Going into a thrift store and putting together a tasteful outfit can cost 10 bucks, but it develops your taste."
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"text": "You can expose yourself to these things using books, using the internet."
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"text": "It s never been easier to develop your taste, if that s something you want to do."
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"text": "And I m starting to feel like there s no such thing as good or bad taste, but rather developed and underdeveloped taste."
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"text": "I mean, I think you can still hurt somebody s feelings by calling their taste underdeveloped, but it s less insulting to me because it s like, I will admit the areas that I have underdeveloped taste, like movies being a great example."
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"text": "because I don t know if I do."
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"text": "And most people fit into some sort of aesthetic category, like based on their taste."
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"text": "And that makes the plot thicken."
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"text": "That thickens the plot for me."
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"text": "I don t know, most people sort of fit into a category."
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"text": "I don t know."
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"text": "And that s actually sort of a relief in a way, because I know I have put pressure on myself throughout my life to have good taste in things."
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"text": "And I just need to like the things that I like because I fucking like them."
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"text": "And I need to make those decisions based on what is beautiful and exciting and intriguing to me."
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"text": "And there s really no right answer."
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"text": "And all I can do is work on developing my taste if that s something I want to do."
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"text": "And what I end up liking and disliking seems to be not up to me."
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"text": "It s like what my brain just chooses to enjoy."
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"text": "So I don t know."
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"text": "And you might end up even more confused than when you started looking into it, but it s always good to try."
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"text": "And you ll learn something about yourself, if nothing else, along the way."
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"text": "I hope that you enjoyed this episode."
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"text": "If you hated it, totally cool with me."
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"text": "Just wait until next episode."
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"text": "Maybe you ll like that one better."
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"text": "And there s new episodes every Thursday and Sunday."
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"text": "So come and hang out if that s something that you want to do."
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"text": "And you can follow anything goes on Instagram and anything goes."
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"text": "You can stream anything goes anywhere you get podcasts, but videos exclusive on Spotify."
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"text": "You can follow me at Emma Chamberlain on Instagram."
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"text": "You can check out my coffee company, Chamberlain Coffee on chamberlaincoffee.com or chamberlaincoffee on Instagram."
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"text": "The sky s the limit really."
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"text": "I really appreciate you all and I m just so grateful that you decided to come hang out with me today and I hope that you had fun and I really hope to see you soon and I just love and appreciate you."
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"text": "As I explained earlier, the reason why I wanna make this shift is because I m growing up, I m starting to feel like an adult, and I m starting to feel more mature, and I want my clothing to express that a little bit more."
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"text": "If you start hanging around some new people and you wanna fit in with them, listen, you could make some new friends and they just genuinely inspire you and open your eyes to new things."
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"text": "That might not stand the test of time."
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"text": "Did that rhyme?"
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"text": "How are you feeling?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
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"text": "It might not take as long, you know, like there s a bit less self-discovery in that."
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"text": "But that s how you do it."
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"text": "That s how you change your style."
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"text": "And you might be thinking, Emma, this is obvious."
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"text": "Well, if it is, sorry, genius."
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"text": "OK, mommy only has so much to offer."
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"text": "All right."
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"text": "I like I m not."
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"text": "Okay."
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"text": "I m not fucking Einstein."
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"text": "What?"
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"text": "Okay."
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"text": "What do you expect from me?"
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"text": "Not that I m retired."
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"text": "Like I, who knows?"
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"text": "I don t know what my future holds."
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"text": "I m not, I m not actually, I don t know if that s true."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "But anyway."
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"text": "I m excited to shift up my style because I really feel like things are about to get interesting for me."
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"text": "Like, I don t know, things are about to get a little bit darker, a little bit vampier for me."
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"text": "And my God, do I have a journey ahead of me."
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"text": "We ll see how it goes."
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"text": "But Emma s personal style is shifting and it s going to be interesting."
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"text": "So we will see."
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"text": "Anyway, I hope that this was somehow helpful to someone out there."
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"text": "And I just appreciate you hanging out, okay?"
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"text": "I mean, come on, don t we just have the best time?"
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"text": "If you enjoyed this episode, tune in Thursdays and Sundays."
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"text": "Listen to Anything Goes anywhere you stream podcasts."
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"text": "Watch Anything Goes exclusively on Spotify."
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"text": "Follow Anything Goes on Instagram at Anything Goes."
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"text": "Follow me on Instagram at Emma Chamberlain."
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"text": "Check out my coffee company, Chamberlain Coffee."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Okay."
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"text": "We might be in a store near you."
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"text": "So check out our store locator on chamberlaincoffee.com."
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"text": "See if we re in a store near you."
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"text": "And if not, just order us online, chamberlaincoffee.com."
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"text": "Again, I love and appreciate all of you and I ll be talking to you soon."
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"text": "So don t forget about me."
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"text": "Talk to you later, maybe, if you want, and you can also forget about me."
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"text": "I remember when I was about 12 years old, I read a quote by John Lennon, and this quote changed my life."
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"text": "Let me share the quote with you."
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"text": "John Lennon said, when I went to school, they asked me what I wanted to be when I grew up."
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"text": "I wrote down happy."
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"text": "They told me I didn t understand the assignment."
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"text": "And I told them they didn t understand life."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Whoa, that s deep."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "12-year-old me was like, oh shit, oh shit, that s deep."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Now that, that s good."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "That s true."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Wow, John Lennon, that s true."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Wow."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "No one s ever said it so clearly like you just did."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Wow."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "That s life."
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"text": "Life, the pursuit of happiness."
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"text": "Wow, wow, wow, wow."
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"text": "Wow, that s deep."
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"text": "And you want to know what I did?"
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"text": "I stole that quote and started to use it as though it was my own."
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"text": "From that point forward, anytime anyone would ask me, Emma, what do you want to be when you grow up?"
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"text": "I would answer happy."
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"text": "Is that simplifying life in a way?"
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"text": "Is that a life well lived?"
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"text": "And so today I thought we would investigate happiness because it s a word that we use so often that we feel like we know what it means and we feel like we know how to get it, but we rarely take a minute to step back and be like, what actually is this?"
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"text": "Researchers have failed to pin down an exact definition."
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"text": "And it s a little frightening to me because I take pride in the fact that I am Gen Z. Born in 2001, I am Gen Z."
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"text": "And this is not to say that the song lyrics that I adore, that I thought contradicted this quote, are false."
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"text": "but you re still somewhat exhausted because you have to do some work within."
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"text": "I think the difference is that work within will eventually lead to the ability to attract things, the ability to approach your life with calmness and open-mindedness."
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"text": "The pain doesn t end when you chase because you re not developing yourself emotionally."
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"text": "You re not doing the work inside."
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"text": "You re getting brief moments of gratification, if any, but they fleet so fast that you end up worse off on the other side."
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"text": "You just end up in a worse place overall."
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"text": "I guess the girlies were right on TikTok."
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"text": "Actually, I don t even have TikTok."
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"text": "I see everything on Reels or YouTube shorts."
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"text": "I know."
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"text": "No!"
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"text": "Not being on TikTok is so embarrassing because I m like sending links to YouTube shorts instead of a TikTok, you know what I mean?"
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"text": "And people are like, what the hell are you doing?"
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"text": "What the hell are you doing?"
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"text": "Again, people are like, you re a millennial."
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"text": "You were born in the wrong generation."
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"text": "That s so embarrassing."
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"text": "It s fine."
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"text": "But you know what?"
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"text": "This is a mantra that I genuinely am going to keep in the back of my head."
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"text": "Because I really do think, despite it being a little corny, blah, blah, blah, I don t care."
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"text": "It s actually a great quote."
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"text": "And it has some really helpful sentiments that I need to tattoo in my brain."
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"text": "And I think we all do."
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"text": "So to finish off this episode, let s sort of figure out action items for all of us."
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"text": "How do we attract and not chase?"
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"text": "What can we do in our lives so that we re not chasing, we re attracting, okay?"
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"text": "Number one, mindfulness."
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"text": "This is literally so funny because I swear so much can be changed by mindfulness, but it s such an empty piece of advice."
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"text": "Well, just be more mindful."
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"text": "What the fuck does that mean?"
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"text": "To be honest, I don t even know what it means technically, but I have my own definition."
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"text": "To me, in this particular context, mindfulness means to consistently remind myself what I should be thinking."
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"text": "It s actively reminding myself to think in a different way."
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"text": "Because we can have a tendency to get into bad habits mentally."
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"text": "I do it all the fucking time."
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"text": "But we re aware of when our brains start thinking the wrong things."
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"text": "It s not like we re not aware of it."
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"text": "The key is to become aware the second that your brain starts doing something that you don t like and pivoting it, rerouting it."
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"text": "You can t distract yourself."
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"text": "You re like, fuck, what do I do?"
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"text": "And so you start just texting people on your phone that you maybe could have sex with."
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"text": "And you re like, hey, like, what are you doing?"
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"text": "Or like, hey, want to hang tonight?"
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"text": "But you don t even like these people."
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"text": "And these people don t make you feel good, but it s better than nothing."
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"text": "So you re kind of chasing that situation."
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"text": "Let s say before you even start shooting texts out, you realize what you re about to do."
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"text": "You re like, oh, wait a minute."
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"text": "I m not attracting."
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"text": "I m chasing."
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"text": "And this is not good."
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"text": "Well, what you could do instead is say, you know what?"
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"text": "I m going to go to a cooking class tonight because I ve been wanting to cook."
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"text": "So I m going to go to a cooking class tonight and maybe I ll meet some fun people that way."
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"text": "Or a more realistic option would be, you know what?"
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"text": "I m going to spend tonight working on a little creative project."
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"text": "I don t know what it is yet, but I m going to figure it out."
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"text": "I ve been wanting to learn how to play the ukulele and it s sitting in the corner of my room."
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"text": "Maybe I m going to pick that up for 40 minutes."
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"text": "It s like rerouting your mind."
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"text": "Or let s say it s like a Friday night and you re like, I need to go out."
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"text": "I need to go to the clubs."
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"text": "Why?"
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"text": "Because I need someone to flirt with me."
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"text": "because you want instant gratification in some way, but long-term it pays off, and long-term it makes you feel better."
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"text": "Next, focus on refining your goals for the future."
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"text": "crack open your journal or just stare at the fucking ceiling."
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"text": "That s what I ve been doing recently."
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"text": "you re able to see its positives and negatives in a much more rational way."
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"text": "And then you get it and you re like, that didn t live up to my expectation."
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"text": "We just are so exhausted from chasing that we re now lying to ourselves so that we don t have to chase anymore."
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"text": "And last but not least, strengthen your independence."
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"text": "I mean, I think some of us take it too far, but learning to be comfortable and fulfilled alone is an ongoing journey."
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"text": "And it really helps when it comes to not chasing things in life."
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"text": "A lot of times we chase people because we re lonely."
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"text": "We don t know how to exist without other people around."
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"text": "We want a significant other."
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"text": "You might wish that you had a significant other to cuddle up with, but if you re comfortable with your independence, then you re gonna be able to sit in those feelings of sadness and loneliness and not react by chasing."
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"text": "You re gonna react by rerouting and doing something that is positive."
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"text": "Anyway, I m shutting my iPad."
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"text": "That s when you know it s fucking over."
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"text": "That s all I have for today."
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"text": "So repeat after me."
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"text": "What belongs to me will simply find me."
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"text": "Okay?"
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"text": "You heard me, ladies."
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"text": "I don t chase, I attract."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Honestly, I m obsessed with this quote."
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"text": "Sorry."
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"text": "I know I had my doubts, but this quote fucking rocks."
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"text": "Sorry, I m getting it tatted on my asshole."
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"text": "Hole."
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"text": "No, actually, the asshole is not visible enough."
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"text": "And this is a quote I need to be seeing on a daily basis."
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"text": "I get it."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s corny."
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"text": "I get it."
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"text": "You re laughing at me at home."
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"text": "I get it."
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"text": "You re like, Emma, you re so cringe."
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"text": "You just talked about I don t chase, I attract for like an hour."
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"text": "I get it, but it s a good quote."
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"text": "This one s good."
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"text": "If I had to rate this one out of 10, I d probably give it a 9.8."
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"text": "All right, that s all I have for today."
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"text": "If you enjoyed it, tune in."
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"text": "New episodes every Thursday and Sunday."
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"text": "You can stream anywhere you get podcasts, but for video, you have to go to Spotify."
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"text": "You can follow Anything Goes on Instagram at anythinggoes."
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"text": "You can follow me on Instagram at emmachamberlain."
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"text": "You can follow Chamberlain Coffee, my coffee company, on Instagram at chamberlaincoffee."
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"text": "I really love and appreciate you all, and I m so grateful that you come and hang out with me."
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"text": "And I guess I ll just talk to you later."
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"text": "And my brain immediately"
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"text": "went to, well, romantic love must just be an illusion."
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"text": "I m starting to wonder if the failure rate is due to the mere fact that romantic love is, to human beings, delusional."
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"text": "And once true reality sets back in, that delusion goes away, the relationship inevitably ends because it was never real to begin with."
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"text": "Is romantic love not true love, but rather just an explosion of irrational emotion and sexual desire that is mistaken for love, which is separate from explosive romantic feelings?"
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"text": "Do we think that we re in love, but really we re just experiencing something else that is not real?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "Well, it is real, but it s not real love."
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"text": "Does that make sense?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "Oh, here we go."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "Oh, God."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "Oh, no."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "Let s go down the rabbit hole."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "Let s go down the rabbit hole of romantic love and really, really get to the bottom of things."
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"text": "Because let me tell you, if I come to the conclusion that it is just an illusion."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "Great, then we ll do other stuff with our lives, but I need to know that now."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "I need to know that now because it s fucking Friday, so I need to know what to do with my plans tonight."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "You know what I m saying?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "Don t make me explain what I m saying."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "Okay, so let s really dig in and dive in."
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"text": "Let s really dig, dive, and zoom in to this simple yet complex question."
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"text": "Is romantic love an illusion?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "Let s start out with some definitions."
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"text": "What is love?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "Wow."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "Wow."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "Emma."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "So cringe."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "Oh, it s cringe, but I do have to read the definition of love and I personally prefer the Buddhist definition."
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"text": "So I m going to share that with you now."
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"text": "Love is unselfishly wishing others to be happy, to be delighted to be in their presence, to offer our affection and smiles and hugs and help freely without wanting anything in return."
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"text": "The first time I read the Buddhist definition of love, I had an existential crisis because it really showed me that love is being selfless."
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"text": "That s kind of what it is."
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"text": "And I just never thought of it that way, but I think it s especially interesting in the context of romantic love, which in theory is just this definition of love in addition to sexual attraction and romantic gestures, right?"
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"text": "That s the only difference."
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"text": "This definition of love immediately made me realize how"
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"text": "Rare romantic love really is, if it does exist."
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"text": "If it can t exist, it s definitely really rare because love in itself is challenging."
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"text": "To truly love someone."
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"text": "in a way that is selfless and genuine is already challenging."
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"text": "You have to be in a certain place in your life to be able to love other people in a platonic way, in a familial way."
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"text": "Being able to love someone platonically or familially is actually kind of complicated."
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"text": "Even that is challenging."
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"text": "I think the reason for that is you and the other person are choosing each other because you think that the person that you chose is better than other people and the person who chose you chose you because they think that you re better than other people."
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"text": "It s like the initial union of a romantic relationship is rooted in ego in a weird way."
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"text": "It s like, it s an ego boost when you both choose each other, both of your egos get boosted from that."
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"text": "Now imagine how complicated that becomes because the whole idea of love is that it s deeply selfless."
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"text": "It s about the other person feeling loved and feeling happy and feeling supported and expecting nothing in return."
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"text": "While a romantic relationship fuels your ego, which kind of doesn t go hand in hand with selflessness, right?"
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"text": "We don t want our significant other to be happy without us."
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"text": "We don t want to do things for our significant other without getting things in return."
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"text": "The definition of love really proved to me how rare real romantic love is."
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"text": "Now, what s the definition"
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"text": "of illusion."
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"text": "An illusion is a distortion of the senses, which can reveal how the mind normally organizes and interprets sensory stimulation."
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"text": "Is romantic love an illusion?"
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"text": "In my opinion,"
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"text": "Yes, most of the time."
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"text": "Let s start with the honeymoon phase."
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"text": "What is the honeymoon phase?"
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"text": "It s the very beginning when things are fiery and hot and exciting and everyone s just sort of happy to be there."
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"text": "In the beginning of a relationship, you may think that you love the person you are with."
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"text": "you may think that this is the love of your life."
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"text": "And the reason for that is because you re experiencing an extreme amount of happiness and excitement due to the chemicals that your body releases when you re in love."
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"text": "Researchers have scanned the brains of people who are madly in love and found a heavy surge of dopamine, which is something that I ve talked about quite a bit, even though I m not a scientist and shouldn t be."
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"text": "Dopamine, along with other chemicals, gives us energy, focus, and obsession."
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"text": "Because going back to the Buddhist definition of love, it s like the idea of that is being deeply selfless."
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"text": "And I just, I don t know."
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"text": "I think being in love is a feeling that s somewhat irrational at times."
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"text": "Back to what I was saying, all of this dopamine distorts reality."
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"text": "You re experiencing almost a high from being in love, from falling in love, and you re experiencing unnatural levels of excitement and focus and obsession, and it s inevitably going to end."
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"text": "But the feelings are so strong that you can convince yourself that you ve met your soulmate."
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"text": "when in reality you re just experiencing the normal high that comes with falling in love."
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"text": "That s it."
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"text": "It s hard to do that for the rest of your life."
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"text": "You see what I m saying?"
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"text": "The honeymoon phase is, it s like playing house, you know, when you re a kid and you and your friends would pretend that you were all, okay, that s such a niche reference."
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"text": "It s such a weird game."
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"text": "Did anyone else do that?"
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"text": "It s almost like the honeymoon phase is like mimicking what romantic love is or should be."
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"text": "Honestly, I think the honeymoon phase is a whole lot of pretending."
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"text": "And I don t think that we do it on purpose, but we have the energy to dress up and pretend like we re in the perfect romantic, loving situation, but it s not real."
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"text": "And it always comes to an end."
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"text": "It is rooted in delusion."
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"text": "And you know, the last point I ll make on this is, according to science, this is no coincidence."
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"text": "This honeymoon phase serves a biological purpose."
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"text": "Some experts believe that our brains release"
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"text": "It s a biological mechanism that s innate in us to become attracted, become excited, and need to connect romantically."
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"text": "Humans also have a tendency to put their partners on a pedestal in a way that is irrational."
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"text": "I look back at my first few relationships when I was younger, and it boggles my mind in retrospect, boggles my mind that I put them on the pedestal that I did."
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"text": "Why?"
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"text": "Every relationship I ve ever been in, casual, serious, doesn t matter, I ve put those boys on a pedestal without fail."
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"text": "Spoiler alert, not great, but it was still fun."
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"text": "If I don t have regrets, but majority of the romantic relationships I ve experienced, I ve put the people on a pedestal and only years after have I realized what the hell was going on."
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"text": "What the hell was I thinking?"
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"text": "Like, they re fine, but it s also like, I really put them on a pedestal, like in a way that was so delusional, like delusional and weird."
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"text": "in a way that doesn t really make sense, isn t really rational because you just want to put someone there."
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"text": "You just want to have a significant other that you put up on a pedestal."
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"text": "So you just kind of put someone random up there because you re hurrying to find your person."
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"text": "Whatever it may be,"
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"text": "It s definitely delusional because all humans are deeply flawed and due to the fact that everyone s flawed, no one belongs on a pedestal."
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"text": "That s it."
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"text": "Just those two."
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"text": "I think admiring other people, looking up to other people is different than putting people up on a pedestal."
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"text": "Because the thing about putting someone up on a pedestal is that by doing that, you re ignoring their flaws."
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"text": "When you see someone for their positives and their negatives, you can sort of keep them on your level in a way."
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"text": "It s so, it s so bad to put bae on a pedestal."
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"text": "Let me tell you, I need to stop doing it."
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"text": "I can t do that anymore because I m clearly dealing with something else, you know what I m saying?"
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"text": "I think for me it tends to be actually a combination of both of the reasons I mentioned, challenges with my self-esteem as well as being in a rush to find the one."
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"text": "That s why I think I put them up on the pedestal."
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"text": "I got the clean sweep."
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"text": "And that just means I need to work on my self-esteem and I need to not be in a rush."
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"text": "And in a lot of ways, that s selfish."
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"text": "If you re in a relationship just to feel secure about yourself, that is not love."
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"text": "And so if you re in something for your own personal comfort and that s it, that s not real romantic love."
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"text": "That s something else."
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"text": "You know, it s easy to stay in a relationship to avoid being lonely."
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"text": "It s easy to stay in a relationship to help keep our egos and confidence up."
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"text": "It s easy to stay in a relationship to provide security for the future."
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"text": "Like I know I m going to have someone when I m old and gray."
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"text": "When deep down, you don t really love them."
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"text": "But you might convince yourself that you re in love because the security that you get from that person makes you feel good in a way."
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"text": "And that good feeling can be mistaken for love."
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"text": "You might think you re experiencing love, but you re not."
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"text": "You re experiencing security."
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"text": "And that s different."
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"text": "That s not real love."
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"text": "Simply put, a lot of times it is."
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"text": "Is it always an illusion?"
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"text": "No, I don t think so."
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"text": "At the end of the honeymoon stage, when all the butterflies and rainbows and glitter have gone away and you re left with the reality of your situation,"
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"text": "You and this person being partners in crime, you two against the world, it becomes a choice every day to be with this person."
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"text": "You re sacrificing the sunshine and glitter and rainbows that could come with the next person for this person that you re with now."
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"text": "I m out."
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"text": "And that is exciting."
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"text": "So let me introduce to you the concept of consummate love, the ultimate form of romantic love."
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"text": "This is the romantic love I ve been speaking of all day that I thought was an illusion."
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"text": "Consummate love is the complete form of love representing the ideal relationship toward which many people strive, but very few achieve."
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"text": "It is represented as a triangle."
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"text": "Intimacy, passion, commitment."
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"text": "Like so many people have that."
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"text": "Okay."
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"text": "Not really though."
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"text": "Is it a bitch to find?"
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"text": "I m not sure."
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"text": "To be honest, it s probably been on yours too."
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"text": "I feel like romantic love is always on all of our minds."
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"text": "Not all of our minds, but a lot of our minds."
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"text": "It s particularly relevant for people in their 20s, but it s just relevant in general."
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"text": "I don t know."
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"text": "I feel like the hunt for romantic love is something that never ends."
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"text": "I don t know if it ever ends, but that s all I have for today."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Thank you all for hanging out."
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"text": "You know, a lot of times we feel like"
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"text": "we can t control whether or not good things happen to us."
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"text": "And by clinging on to good luck charms or participating in rituals that bring good luck, we feel like we re able to control whether or not good things happen to us."
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"text": "Again, it gives us control over our lives."
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"text": "Ultimately, superstitions are all about control, which is something that we as humans really like."
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"text": "And interestingly enough, I really like."
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"text": "I m a control freak."
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"text": "This is not new."
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"text": "I am a very, very, very deeply, deeply anxious person because I have a really hard time with the fact that there s a lot that I can t control."
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"text": "It makes a lot of sense that I m particularly superstitious."
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"text": "Another reason why humans are superstitious is because it can be easy to convince yourself that your superstition is actually real, rooted in reality."
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"text": "I ll give you an example."
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"text": "Let s say you re going in to write an essay at school and you decide to bring your lucky penny that your grandma gave you when you were a kid."
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"text": "You go into school, you write your essay, you turn it in, you look down at your lucky penny and you re like, I hope you did something."
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"text": "A week later, you get your grade back and you got an A plus."
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"text": "You doubted yourself."
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"text": "You thought you were gonna get an F. You thought you were gonna fail this essay."
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"text": "You thought you were gonna get a terrible, terrible grade."
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"text": "You convinced yourself that the reason why you got that A plus was because you had that lucky penny in your pocket."
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"text": "Another example would be, let s say you believe that walking under a ladder is bad luck."
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"text": "That s a very common superstition, walking under a ladder, bad luck."
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"text": "Let s say you walk under a ladder on accident."
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"text": "In a week later, your cat gets hit by a car and dies."
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"text": "And then I see it when I m driving home from my workout class."
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"text": "And then I think it s bad luck."
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"text": "And then everybody thinks they have bad luck."
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"text": "No, I m kidding."
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"text": "you might now connect you walking under that ladder to your cat dying."
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"text": "Do you see what I m saying?"
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"text": "We create our own reality in so many ways, and so if we want to believe something, we ll find a way to make it true a lot of times."
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"text": "It s a self-fulfilling prophecy."
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"text": "An individual s expectations about another person or entity eventually result in the other person or entity acting in ways that confirm the expectations."
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"text": "So that s why humans are superstitious."
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"text": "Researching that really put things into context for me."
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"text": "But then I became curious about"
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"text": "all of the mainstream superstitions that we all share."
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"text": "Obviously, it depends on where you live, et cetera, but a lot of us share the same superstitions."
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"text": "I became curious about their origins because I was like, I have a feeling that if I read up on the origins of these superstitions, I will end up no longer believing in them."
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"text": "Where did it start?"
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"text": "Because if it didn t start from a respectable place in the sense that it s not rooted in reality, then why am I living by it?"
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"text": "So thanks to artsandculture.google.com, I found the origin for almost every mainstream superstition."
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"text": "Let s go through them."
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"text": "Let s start with black cats."
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"text": "Though cats have been associated with good luck rather than its opposite, and were even worshiped as gods in ancient Egypt, people of the Middle Ages burned black cats in bonfires on holy days like Shrove Tuesday, the first Sunday of Lent, and even Easter, and with the Puritans in America connecting them to the practice of witchcraft."
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"text": "Apparently,"
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"text": "It was a belief in medieval Europe that the devil and witches were capable of taking form of black hats."
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"text": "So that s obviously just not true, right?"
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"text": "And the thing that s so funny about it is I knew that."
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"text": "I m a cat lover myself."
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"text": "I have two cats at home."
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"text": "Neither of them are black cats."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "But it s so bizarre to me because I would adopt a black cat."
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"text": "Like I have nothing against black cats."
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"text": "The only reason why seeing that black cat dead on the side of the road spooked me was because I was looking for bad omens."
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"text": "Does that make sense?"
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"text": "Like, I was looking for bad luck."
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"text": "On a normal day, seeing a black cat on the side of the road would have just been sad."
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"text": "I don t think I would have thought twice about it."
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"text": "I don t know, it s hard to say."
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"text": "I m realizing more and more how my superstitions are very inconsistent."
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"text": "Like, I would adopt a black cat if I fell in love with a black cat, whatever."
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"text": "But on a bad day when I am expecting to be cursed that day, seeing"
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"text": "a black hat on the side of the road dead freaked me the fuck out."
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"text": "It s just interesting how inconsistent it can be."
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"text": "Next, walking under a ladder is considered bad luck."
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"text": "Why?"
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"text": "The superstition of not wanting to walk under a ladder has roots in Christian symbolism."
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"text": "The Holy Trinity of the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit led to an association of the number three with something sacred."
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"text": "The triangle with its three sides came to be regarded as sacred as well."
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"text": "And a ladder, of course, forms a triangle."
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"text": "So naturally, to walk under that ladder would be to destroy the sanctity of the Trinity and thus incur punishment"
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"text": "in theory by God."
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"text": "In addition, the Egyptians apparently thought that one might accidentally spot a God going up or down on a ladder and so avoided it."
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"text": "So I m not trying to destroy the Holy Trinity."
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"text": "That is not what I m trying to do."
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"text": "Like that should be the reason why we don t walk under ladders, because it s actually kind of dangerous."
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"text": "Don t do that."
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"text": "But I don t think it s bad luck."
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"text": "Like that really disproved that one for me."
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"text": "I m good now on that."
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"text": "Next, throwing salt over your shoulder is good luck."
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"text": "In Leonardo da Vinci s The Last Supper, Jesus betrayer Judas is portrayed as having accidentally spilled salt."
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"text": "Since Judas was associated with doing something bad, the argument goes that so was salt."
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"text": "And throwing it over your shoulder would blind the devil waiting there."
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"text": "I will say I think good luck rituals are harmless to an extent because they are associated with positive emotion."
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"text": "But still, I m not so sure I need to be throwing salt over my shoulder."
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"text": "Maybe I should just throw it into the sink."
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"text": "If I m cooking and I have extra salt in my hand, my God, I ll just throw it in the sink."
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"text": "I ll just throw it in the trash can."
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"text": "It s fine."
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"text": "Next, the broken mirror."
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"text": "It was the ancient Romans who contributed the notion that a broken mirror would bring seven years of bad luck, since it was believed that only poor health would cause a mirror to crack."
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"text": "And the number seven was seen by the Romans as the number of years required to complete a full life cycle of sickness and renewal."
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"text": "Those same Romans felt you could prevent that horrible outcome by gathering the broken pieces of the mirror and burying them by moonlight."
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"text": "You know what I will say is comforting about all of these origin stories?"
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"text": "It just proves that we re all a little weird, right?"
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"text": "The fact that these superstitions gave humans stability and reason back in the day, despite them being completely ridiculous, despite them all being intense reaches,"
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"text": "It s just kind of comforting in a way, because I think that all of us look for explanations when we re going through hard times."
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"text": "And sometimes there is no explanation and sometimes there is no hope."
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"text": "And so our imaginations will create that for us."
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"text": "And I know when I m looking for an explanation or looking for a reason or looking for hope, I can sometimes grasp at straws and feel like I m losing my mind."
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"text": "You know, an example of that would be me seeing my angel number on the clock every day."
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"text": "Could there be something to that?"
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"text": "I don t know for sure."
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"text": "I would be a know-it-all to say that it for sure doesn t mean something, but I don t know for sure, right?"
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"text": "I can sometimes feel like I m losing my mind when I feel my brain making connections in ways that are irrational and illogical."
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"text": "But it s very clear to me that this is the human condition."
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"text": "We all do this and we ve been doing this for a very long time."
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"text": "Next, Friday the 13th is considered bad luck."
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"text": "And the number 13 in general is considered bad luck."
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"text": "Why is that?"
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"text": "Well, like the number seven for the Romans, magical significance has been attached to the number 13, but this time it s rather unlucky."
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"text": "The number 12 has frequently been seen as positive."
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"text": "12 months of the year and 12 signs of the zodiac, for example, or 12 days of Christmas in 12 tribes of Israel."
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"text": "naturally making its nearest neighboring number to the north negative."
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"text": "This is so wild to me."
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"text": "Like, just because 13 is the next number after the very lucky number 12, now suddenly 13 is unlucky."
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"text": "It s crazy that this is how our brains work."
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"text": "Like, we literally just make up the rules sometimes."
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"text": "Makes no sense, but yet I kind of get the idea, but it doesn t make sense."
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"text": "But it s so interesting that the Romans came to this conclusion because I do this with my angel numbers."
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"text": "Like, I think it s unlucky to see one number north to my lucky number."
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"text": "Like, you know what I m saying?"
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"text": "I m always seeing the number 11."
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"text": "By the way, don t even get me started."
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"text": "Is that real?"
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"text": "I don t know, whatever."
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"text": "But when I start seeing 12s all the time, oh my God, I m a wreck."
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"text": "When I get in the car, it s 9-12, and then I order food at a restaurant, and the server brings out my order number, and it s a 12."
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"text": "I m like, oh, my God, no."
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"text": "I m off track."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I m off track."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
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"text": "I m off."
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"text": "Something s off."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "What did I do?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "You know, is something bad coming?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Yeah, nothing bad ever comes, though."
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"text": "But I feel like it s bad luck because it s not my lucky number 11."
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"text": "It s 12, and 12 is evil because it s like I was one minute late to my lucky number."
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"text": "If I would have been one minute earlier to the restaurant, I would have gotten the 11."
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"text": "What s off in the universe?"
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"text": "Again, there s no real rationale to this thinking."
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"text": "It s just a weird thing we do, okay, as humans."
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"text": "Next, people consider horseshoes to be good luck."
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"text": "Earliest origins of the horseshoe s function as a good luck charm reside in its vulval shape, seen upside down, in the invocation of the pagan moon goddess Diana in her sacred vulva."
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"text": "Again, what a reach."
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"text": "In addition, iron was thought by early Europeans as something capable of warding off evil spirits."
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"text": "And horseshoes frequently featured seven nail holes, which was considered to be a lucky number."
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"text": "Again, this is all just like, it s so wild to me because it s like,"
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"text": "All of this is just made up."
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"text": "Like, the reason why seven holes are lucky in a horseshoe is because we decided that seven was a lucky number."
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"text": "We also decided that iron was considered a substance that could ward off evil spirits."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "We came to that conclusion on no basis."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s like, it s all building onto each other into this"
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"text": "Big lie."
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"text": "Great."
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"text": "So I don t think I need to read about any more of these medieval ancient superstitions, because I think it s very clear that they re rooted in a whole lot of nothing."
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"text": "for creating these good and bad omens, because it s like, how else were they supposed to explain the terrible things that they were encountering on a daily basis?"
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"text": "By being superstitious in a lot of ways, you re just creating more anxiety, but for no reason."
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"text": "I don t think it s good for me."
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"text": "focusing on lucky numbers."
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"text": "I need to stop overthinking things that I consider to be bad luck or bad omens."
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"text": "If they happen to me, I need to be like, well, that doesn t mean anything."
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"text": "I need to stop Googling the spiritual meaning of seeing certain things."
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"text": "Like if I see a dead animal on the side of the road, like a dead bird, I have to Google it."
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"text": "Does this mean something?"
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"text": "What does this mean?"
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"text": "I need to be living in reality."
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"text": "So I looked up how to stop being superstitious and I found a wiki how article on it and there were some pretty good tips."
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"text": "So if you re superstitious too, maybe together we can stop."
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"text": "Step one, learn where your superstitions originate from."
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"text": "One way to overcome your superstitious beliefs is to learn where they come from to begin with."
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"text": "Guess what?"
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"text": "We did that today with some superstitions."
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"text": "Two, realize that there s no rational proof that these superstitions can affect your life."
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"text": "I think we re all working on that, so that s good."
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"text": "Three, consider which superstitions cause regular inconvenience to you."
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"text": "For me, it s the lucky numbers and it s the bad luck, anything that is considered bad luck."
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"text": "Four, avoid superstitious beliefs when making decisions."
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"text": "I need to start going to my workout class and choosing the 13th treadmill every single class."
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"text": "I need to start just choosing 13, choosing 12, numbers that I consider to be unlucky for me."
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"text": "I need to adopt a black cat."
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"text": "I need to walk under every ladder I see."
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"text": "I just need to start proving to myself that all of these things that I consider to be bad luck don t really matter."
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"text": "I need to look at the clock at 11.11 and say to myself, that means fucking nothing, idiot."
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"text": "Everybody looks at their clock and sees 11.11 and says, make a wish, because it s widely known to be lucky."
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"text": "Trillions of people see 11.11 on the clock every day and think, well, that s lucky."
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"text": "I m no different."
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"text": "When I get in the car in the morning and it s 9.11 a.m., I need to say to myself, guess what that means?"
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"text": "When I wake up in the morning and it s 7.11 a.m., I need to look at the clock and say to myself, guess what that means?"
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"text": "Fucking nothing."
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"text": "Oops, that means nothing."
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"text": "Number five, realize that you have the power to make your own luck."
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"text": "This is so true."
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"text": "Honestly, if you want something good to happen, there s a lot you can do to make that good thing happen."
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"text": "We can t guarantee anything in life, but you re better off taking steps in the right direction than you are just sitting there with your lucky charm in your pocket, you know?"
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"text": "Next, learn to ignore the urge to act on a superstitious belief."
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"text": "Next, know that a superstition only works because you believe in its inherent charm and power."
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"text": "Yeah, as I mentioned earlier, it s like I m giving these things power that they don t deserve."
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"text": "I should be giving the power to me, bitch."
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"text": "Guess who s in the driver s seat?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Mama over here, okay?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "The clock telling me that it s 8, 11 p.m."
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"text": "has no control over me."
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"text": "Seeing the number 12 on the clock instead of 11, oops, don t care."
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"text": "because that doesn t mean anything."
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"text": "All that means is that it s 12, 12 p.m."
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"text": "or it s 9, 12 p.m."
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"text": "That s all it means."
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"text": "And guess what?"
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"text": "When I see it s 10, 11 p.m., guess what that means?"
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"text": "Also nothing."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s just the time on the clock."
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"text": "And last but not least, seek help if your superstitious beliefs are an indication of OCD, obsessive compulsive disorder."
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"text": "So yeah, that s how I m gonna conclude this episode is that I actually genuinely"
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"text": "I do think I might need to go to a psychiatrist about this, because I sometimes, I m not somebody who self-diagnoses, so I m not going to say anything else, but sometimes I feel like there s something happening in my brain that s undiagnosed, and I don t know what it is."
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"text": "And again, whatever it is, it s fine, but there s definitely something."
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"text": "I just don t know what it is."
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"text": "And part of me doesn t want to know."
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"text": "How fun is it to not know?"
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"text": "But I ve had people my whole life be like, yeah, you have OCD, or yeah, you have ADHD, or yeah, you have ADD, or whatever."
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"text": "People have been trying to diagnose me my whole life with various different things."
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"text": "I don t know what the truth is, and maybe I ll check it out someday, but I don t know."
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"text": "In the meantime, I think it s important for all of us to remember that these things are normal."
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"text": "To be superstitious, it s normal."
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"text": "Making irrational connections in your brain to try to make something make sense is normal People have been doing it for thousands of years and there s a reason for that."
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"text": "It s just it s just who we are As humans, I think it s normal, but I but I might see a psychiatrist just to make sure Just to make sure okay."
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"text": "I m sorry just to check for all of us anyway That s all I have for today"
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"text": "no oh my god i just stop stop this right now i just fucking looked at my"
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"text": "to see how long I ve been recording."
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"text": "One hour and 11 minutes."
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"text": "Okay, wait, now I m like wondering, is that the universe being like, this episode was fucking fire?"
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"text": "This episode was so good, Emma?"
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"text": "Was that the universe and my angels being like, Emma, you are on the right track, babe."
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"text": "This episode was so good and you re slaying despite all odds, despite what s going on in your life."
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"text": "You re slaying, babe."
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"text": "Just when I thought I was not superstitious anymore, that just threw me for a loop."
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"text": "See, now I m like, hold on, who s being silly with me up there in the heavens?"
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"text": "Who s being silly with me?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Cause it s working and I love this game."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Okay, I m fucking done."
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"chunk": "4",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I m done."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "I can t do this anymore."
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"text": "Thank you all so much for listening and hanging out."
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"text": "You stick around even when things get a little wild and I appreciate that more than anything."
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"text": "It s always so much fun."
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"text": "And I hope you enjoy it as well."
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"text": "And if you do, you can tune in Thursdays and Sundays, anywhere that you stream podcasts, to watch video, head to Spotify, to watch me talk."
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"text": "You can follow Anything Goes on Instagram at Anything Goes."
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{
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "You can follow me on Instagram at Emma Chamberlain."
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"text": "You can check out my coffee company, Chamberlain Coffee."
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"chunk": "4",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "We have coffee, we have tea, we have accessories."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "We re in grocery stores."
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"text": "You can order online or check the store locator online and see if we re at a grocery store near you."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Thank you again for listening."
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"text": "I can t wait to talk to you soon."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And I just love you."
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"text": "He speaks on how our mindset can be the greatest tool in achievement, reducing stress, increasing productivity and potential."
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"text": "His book is called Leverage Your Mindset, Overcome Limiting Beliefs, and Apply Your Life, Be Less Stressed, Happier, and More Mindful."
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"text": "So I present to you Ricky Kalman, hypnotist, mindset expert."
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"text": "I can t wait."
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"text": "Let s start with the first time you were exposed to the concept of hypnosis."
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"text": "If you know me from my early part of my career, most people did know that I did magic as a kid."
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"text": "I was a kid magician."
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"text": "I saw a hypnotist."
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"text": "I was completely blown away."
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"text": "I didn t know what I was watching."
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"text": "And I also thought, this has to be rigged."
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"text": "Come on, there s gotta be a trick to this."
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"text": "There s gotta be some secret to this."
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"text": "We became good friends."
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"text": "He literally pulled me aside."
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"text": "This was not my intention."
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"text": "He said, I want to teach you how to do this."
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"text": "And I said, why?"
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"text": "And he literally came out and said, because I really feel like you ll do something with this more than anybody else did."
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"text": "And I was 15 at the time."
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"text": "And for several years, I just studied what it was to really understand what s really happening."
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"text": "And once I understood it, I was like, well, this is opposite of what most people think."
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"text": "Because even when I say I m a hypnotist to somebody, what do you think the first thing is they say?"
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"text": "I mean, I think a lot of people think that s a scammer."
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"text": "Scammer, you re going to put me under, don t want to look in my eyes, afraid to even talk to me, all that stuff."
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"text": "I mean, even today on an airplane, I mean, if I tell anybody, it s like, oh, here we go."
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"text": "Yeah."
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"text": "It has nothing to do with that."
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"text": "It has nothing to do with being in a trance or being controlled by somebody."
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"text": "So back when I was very young, I said, well, why don t I create a show that s the opposite of what people think?"
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"text": "It s the opposite of the swinging watch."
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"text": "And at the same time, make it highly entertaining, energetic, fun."
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"text": "But can I show people how to do this?"
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"text": "Can I show people that really there s a secret here, but the secret s within ourselves?"
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"text": "And here I am today, and I kind of amorph"
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"text": "into not only doing the show, but really now teaching people how to do it from studying better, reducing stress, becoming a better version of ourselves."
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"text": "It was, it was really important to me to not only have fun, but show people what this is."
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"text": "Well, I guess my next question has to be, what is it?"
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"text": "Because I don t know."
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"text": "Like, what is hypnosis?"
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"text": "Okay."
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"text": "Driving here today."
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"text": "You drive by yourself?"
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"text": "Yep, I drove."
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"text": "Kind of daydreamed a little bit."
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"text": "For sure."
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"text": "You wandered off, you knew where you were going, you d been here before, you kind of knew where to exit, everything else."
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"text": "So you were kind of like in this highway hypnosis, right?"
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"text": "Yep."
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"text": "You ever driven 10, 20 miles and all of a sudden you just blink, you couldn t remember how far you just got there?"
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"text": "Totally."
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"text": "But you were still protecting yourself."
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"text": "Yeah."
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"text": "Call to action comes in."
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"text": "If your safety or security was in danger, what would you do?"
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"text": "You d snap out of it, whatever you were drifting off to."
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"text": "Let me go one step farther."
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"text": "You re in your car, you re at home, you re doing something and your jam comes on, your song, but nobody else is around."
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"text": "You lose yourself in the song."
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"text": "There s no fear, there s no doubt, there s no preconceived judgment."
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"text": "How do you think it works?"
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"text": "How does that work?"
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"text": "So if every word that we say to ourself internally, like our self-talk, we look in the mirror, we get dressed, we figure out if this looks good on us, whatever, you know, we do it."
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"text": "This is the way I m thinking of it, but I could be totally wrong."
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"text": "Because honestly, that s, then you get it."
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"text": "But you said something that s so important because people need to get this."
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"text": "So if I have a subject that s really willing to experience, whether it s a show or self-care, understand I m not going to make you do something."
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"text": "And that s me or somebody else."
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"text": "All hypnosis is self-hypnosis."
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"text": "When I started, I m like, I m going to do the complete opposite."
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"text": "We re going to dispel the fact that I have the power to put you under."
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"text": "So glad you re going there."
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"text": "If you re doing that, isn t that kind of self-hypnosis?"
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"text": "So very overlapping principles and titles."
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"text": "So at times, I ll actually say I m going to put you maybe in a meditated state."
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"text": "No."
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"text": "Would you give belief to that winning feeling based on your belief that you could do it first?"
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"text": "It s almost like, it s because it s the hardest thing to keep in place."
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"text": "But is it?"
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"text": "Don t stop there."
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"text": "You hit a really strong point because I m sure there are people right now that are listening to this going,"
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"text": "I know what she means because we do this."
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"text": "Well, I can t, I don t know if I m good enough."
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"text": "Why try?"
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"text": "I don t think it s possible."
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"text": "We ve all said, I don t think it s possible at some part of our life."
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"text": "Yeah, exactly."
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"text": "It s like one of those things that s so much easier said than done."
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"text": "By the way, a million different things."
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"text": "And we ll talk about that later."
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"text": "But what do you find"
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"text": "I think self-awareness is first."
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"text": "I think when it comes down to it, you start to realize, I think this is one of the things I talk about in everything I do, the greatest investment you ll ever make in your life."
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"text": "But we do forget to put ourselves first."
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"text": "Or does the work have to continue in a way?"
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"text": "Wow."
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"text": "Yeah."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01",
"text": "And yet life is unpredictable."
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"text": "you create habits of understanding how to do it yourselves."
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"text": "All right."
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"text": "Okay."
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"text": "Yeah."
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"text": "So, and I ll tell you why this works so well."
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"text": "It s like, if you, if an athlete stands there right before the pitch, the, you know, the, you know, the big game and they just visualize success, they visualize determination."
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"text": "Yep."
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"text": "So right now you re hypnotized."
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"text": "So if that desire comes in the room, guess what comes in stronger, the visualization."
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"text": "Everyone has hypnosis all wrong."
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"text": "Everyone is judging this concept beyond belief."
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"text": "You just said it, guided and controlled."
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"text": "So if I ask you to close your eyes right now, I m not gonna do it, but if I ask you to close your eyes, I m gonna help you relax really, really well."
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"text": "And at that state where you stop thinking about your to-dos, your tasks, emails you have to do later on, who you re supposed to meet tonight, whatever, you don t think about those things."
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"text": "Oh, thank God."
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"text": "And the more and more you focus on that, even when something doesn t go your way and it s not going to all the time, how do you make sure that you are always in control over your destiny and you are?"
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"text": "Like how, how do you recommend up keeping your brain software?"
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"text": "All right."
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"text": "If you just spend five or 10 minutes a day, five or 10 minutes a day to kind of reset, and you can do it multiple times."
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"text": "we should be setting time."
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"text": "In fact, I m gonna give everybody a task."
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"text": "If you re listening right now, I m gonna give you a takeaway."
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"text": "And don t dismiss the simplicity of this."
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"text": "Use your phone on a regular basis."
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"text": "Do you set reminders on your phone?"
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"text": "All the time."
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"text": "We rely on that message."
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"text": "Never."
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"text": "Today s the day."
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"text": "Might not be in the afternoon."
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"text": "Might be before you go to bed at night, but what if every day you spent five or 10 minutes just focusing on some new software, maybe being a little appreciative towards the things you had experienced that day, maybe just kind of resetting your, your thoughts."
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"text": "How unaware are we or do we think we are of being unaware?"
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"text": "Or do you think that there s something else that needs fixing in that situation?"
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"text": "But yes, I will."
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"text": "Thank you for doing this."
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"text": "I m 22 now."
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"text": "doing good for other people, creating meaningful connections with other people, loving other people."
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"text": "And so we should never compare ourselves to others to inflate our ego."
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"text": "Being in this state of mind can prevent us from being humble, which makes us better people, can prevent us from establishing a growth mindset,"
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"text": "That nobody is perfect."
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"text": "So then you re not going to grow anymore."
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"text": "So those are all the ways that comparison can be harmful."
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"text": "But as with all things, it s not all bad, right?"
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"text": "Maybe we use it as motivation to improve ourselves in other ways that make our appearance less important to us."
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"text": "I think it s also important to actively celebrate and acknowledge your strengths and successes."
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"text": "A lot of times we celebrate other people s strengths and other people s successes and ignore our own because it s sort of uncomfortable at times to be like, yeah, we re doing really good."
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"text": "It requires a level of mindfulness, you know, checking in with yourself every once in a while and saying,"
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"text": "What have I been succeeding at recently?"
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"text": "What has been a strength for me recently?"
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"text": "We almost never take time to sit down and do that, to have that conversation with ourselves."
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"text": "And I think that that can be incredibly helpful."
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"text": "It helps us boost self-esteem, boost confidence, so that we re less likely to go and compare ourselves in a way that s toxic and unhealthy."
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"text": "We should also be celebrating other people s wins, too, you know?"
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"text": "It feels good to celebrate other people s successes and wins."
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"text": "In the moment, it can be kind of hard."
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"text": "If we re comparing ourselves to them, it can be really, really challenging."
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"text": "Sometimes you even have to fake it."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "But showing yourself that you can celebrate another person s win will weirdly prove to yourself that other people s successes don t take away from your own."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "That everybody can have their little slice of the pie, you know?"
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And last but not least, focus on your own journey."
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"text": "Compare yourself to who you were in the past."
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"text": "Look at how far you ve come."
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"text": "And if you ve kind of taken a few steps backwards, that s OK, because look at what you used to do."
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"text": "You could do it again."
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"text": "Everything else, you don t see all the layers."
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"text": "Focus on you because that s the only thing that you can control."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "All right, that s all I have."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Honestly, that was like the pep talk I needed to hear."
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"text": "A lot of times, that s what these episodes are for for me."
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"text": "It s like just as much a reminder for myself as it is for anyone who s listening."
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"text": "A lot of times I say what I know is true, but I also am saying what I need to hear, you know?"
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"text": "This episode was very much that for me."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Maybe you needed to hear this too."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And if you did need to hear this, I hope that it was in some way helpful."
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"text": "If you enjoyed this episode, tune in Thursdays and Sundays to Anything Goes."
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"text": "You can stream audio anywhere you listen to podcasts."
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{
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Watch video exclusively on Spotify for video episodes."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Majority of my episodes are also filmed, so you can watch me talk if you want."
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{
"chunk": "4",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "This episode was audio only because I am in a hotel room in Milan, Italy."
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"chunk": "4",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And the lighting in here is atrocious, and I don t even know how I d fix it."
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"chunk": "4",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "So think of this as a phone call today."
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"chunk": "4",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Most of my podcasts are like a FaceTime, because you can see me."
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{
"chunk": "4",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "But sometimes we talk on the phone because that can be kind of fun to follow."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Anything goes on Instagram at anything goes give anything goes a rating."
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{
"chunk": "4",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "If you like it, give it a little five stars."
},
{
"chunk": "4",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "If you re enjoying the show to help show me that you like what I m doing."
},
{
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Follow me on Instagram at Emma Chamberlain."
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{
"chunk": "4",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Check out my coffee company, Chamberlain Coffee."
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"chunk": "4",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "We have coffee, we have tea, we have cute little accessories, we have it all."
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"chunk": "4",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Well, we don t have it all, but we have a lot of great things."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "ChamberlainCoffee.com for that."
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{
"chunk": "4",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Use code AG15 for a little discount."
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{
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Go to the store locator, see if there s Chamberlain Coffee in a store near you."
},
{
"chunk": "4",
"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And that s all I have to say today."
},
{
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Thank you all so much for listening and hanging out."
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{
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "It s always such a pleasure."
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{
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "And I don t know, I just love and appreciate all of you and I ll talk to you soon."
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"speaker": "SPEAKER_00",
"text": "Bye."
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